Point taken. and.. Ugh!

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by Ashton

7/31/01 3:37:28 AM

Point taken. and.. Ugh!

Words fail on this incident.

Yet too - spray cans means: government has utterly failed to address legitimate concerns, presented in lawful ways. Of course mobs suck - but I doubt this issue would galvanize more than a handful of people actively disabling a fait accompli (array of new cameras or such).

Were the Freedom Riders in the segregated south - a mob action? If so - certainly a well-organized one, with the screaming and rioting occurring on the opponents' side. The demonstrators' forbearance was almost super-human.

Somewhere in between - villagers unclear on the concept of paedo- and the utter nonviolence of the Freedom Riders - is what might occur. IF..
(No occasion for pitched battles.)

Ashton
It's really hard to calculate the dumbth card, though.. as you say.

UK's surveillance camera vigilantes! - (Ashton) - (138) - July 19, 2001, 05:56:07 PM EDT

That's a slippery slope, too. - (addison) - (137) - July 19, 2001, 11:37:08 PM EDT

"Time and distance" was never allowed in US traffic - (Ashton) - (6) - July 20, 2001, 03:17:00 AM EDT

Then it shouldn't be a problem. - (addison) - July 20, 2001, 11:13:47 AM EDT

Actually, not to nitpick... - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - July 20, 2001, 02:51:57 PM EDT

There is a difference... - (hnick) - July 20, 2001, 04:52:31 PM EDT

Also New Mexico... - (Fearless Freep) - July 20, 2001, 04:57:21 PM EDT

1992 study of Photo Radar proposal for DC Capital Beltway - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 21, 2001, 02:05:15 PM EDT

60%? Right. - (Brandioch) - July 21, 2001, 02:34:53 PM EDT

what the heck is wrong with scofflaws? - (boxley) - (129) - July 20, 2001, 08:30:51 AM EDT

The root word of "justice" is "just". - (addison) - (119) - July 20, 2001, 11:00:35 AM EDT

tim mcveigh did obey his own law - (boxley) - (116) - July 20, 2001, 11:30:15 AM EDT

And we as a society had a problem with that. - (addison) - (115) - July 20, 2001, 11:36:53 AM EDT

in response - (boxley) - (114) - July 20, 2001, 01:49:43 PM EDT

Everybody who's name starts with "B", you're under arrest. - (addison) - (110) - July 20, 2001, 02:13:05 PM EDT

It is a judgement call usually - (orion) - July 20, 2001, 04:33:26 PM EDT

Here's a simple syllogism, if not quite rational enough for - (Ashton) - (2) - July 20, 2001, 06:29:12 PM EDT

mama said to save it until I was married - (boxley) - July 20, 2001, 10:11:09 PM EDT

Yep, that's simple. - (addison) - July 20, 2001, 11:16:29 PM EDT

My slightly radical opinion. - (Brandioch) - (21) - July 20, 2001, 07:27:08 PM EDT

Re: My slightly radical opinion. - (addison) - (20) - July 20, 2001, 11:23:49 PM EDT

Work all angles. - (Brandioch) - (19) - July 21, 2001, 02:28:34 PM EDT

Re: Work all angles. - (addison) - (18) - July 22, 2001, 05:43:45 PM EDT

To work the system. - (Brandioch) - (17) - July 22, 2001, 08:52:35 PM EDT

Work it, bayybeeeee. - (addison) - (16) - July 22, 2001, 10:14:43 PM EDT

so when you get a letter to show up for yer gps ass chip - (boxley) - (15) - July 22, 2001, 11:30:08 PM EDT

You're changing the subject even more. - (addison) - (14) - July 23, 2001, 12:01:38 AM EDT

Perhaps you are simply realizing it, less and less? - (Ashton) - (9) - July 23, 2001, 03:10:56 AM EDT

Re: Perhaps you are simply realizing it, less and less? - (addison) - (8) - July 23, 2001, 08:23:13 AM EDT

It's simple, really - but it won't be, for you. - (Ashton) - (7) - July 24, 2001, 02:46:16 AM EDT

Its only simple if you're stupid. - (addison) - (6) - July 24, 2001, 09:44:08 AM EDT

The issue (for me) is thresholds. - (Another Scott) - (4) - July 24, 2001, 10:09:07 AM EDT

Are we civilised or are we not? - (pwhysall) - (2) - July 24, 2001, 10:27:11 AM EDT

I think you're overstating the case... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - July 24, 2001, 01:25:47 PM EDT

Minor correction - (wharris2) - July 24, 2001, 01:31:38 PM EDT

Fishing... - (imric) - July 24, 2001, 06:45:33 PM EDT

Flailing? - (Brandioch) - July 24, 2001, 01:47:05 PM EDT

not changing the subject at all - (boxley) - (3) - July 23, 2001, 09:41:21 AM EDT

Ya, Bill, you are. - (addison) - (2) - July 23, 2001, 11:19:52 AM EDT

ok then lets continue - (boxley) - (1) - July 24, 2001, 10:08:45 AM EDT

Re: ok then lets continue - (addison) - July 27, 2001, 12:26:46 PM EDT

another point of view - (boxley) - (83) - July 20, 2001, 10:20:05 PM EDT

Re: another point of view - (addison) - (82) - July 20, 2001, 11:31:49 PM EDT

sorry - (boxley) - (81) - July 21, 2001, 01:20:41 AM EDT

I'm going to have to ask you, as painful as it is, to come - (addison) - (80) - July 21, 2001, 02:29:29 AM EDT

I can handle that one. - (Brandioch) - (78) - July 21, 2001, 02:48:19 PM EDT

I don't think you did. - (addison) - (77) - July 22, 2001, 05:50:59 PM EDT

Legallity vs. right. - (Brandioch) - (76) - July 22, 2001, 08:31:44 PM EDT

I think the point is going over your head. - (addison) - (75) - July 22, 2001, 09:53:13 PM EDT

the point vs pointy head - (boxley) - (70) - July 22, 2001, 11:24:07 PM EDT

Re: the point vs pointy head - (addison) - (69) - July 23, 2001, 12:01:07 AM EDT

Addison, your laundry called. Your brown shirts are ready. -NT - (DonRichards) - (68) - July 24, 2001, 08:55:57 AM EDT

Um... - (addison) - (67) - July 24, 2001, 09:34:23 AM EDT

Zoom. It goes over his head. - (DonRichards) - (66) - July 24, 2001, 10:06:17 AM EDT

Not really. - (addison) - (65) - July 27, 2001, 12:04:53 PM EDT

Whatever - (DonRichards) - (64) - July 27, 2001, 04:54:24 PM EDT

Whatever - (addison) - (59) - July 28, 2001, 11:23:20 AM EDT

You poor dear. Why *of course* your Logic is superior - (Ashton) - (38) - July 29, 2001, 05:21:07 PM EDT

Re: You poor dear. Why *of course* your Logic is superior - (addison) - July 29, 2001, 10:38:38 PM EDT

"Reasoning" with your emotions in stead of logic??? - (CRConrad) - (36) - July 30, 2001, 07:38:00 AM EDT

Now then CRC. We may eventually get this done, - (Ashton) - (35) - July 30, 2001, 05:13:58 PM EDT

Not likely. - (addison) - (32) - July 30, 2001, 06:56:10 PM EDT

I think that your position is - (boxley) - (31) - July 30, 2001, 09:36:40 PM EDT

You really haven't read me in my posts. - (addison) - (26) - July 30, 2001, 11:39:49 PM EDT

dont bother with the facts - (boxley) - (25) - July 31, 2001, 08:14:07 AM EDT

You're still missing Addison's point Bill. - (Another Scott) - (24) - July 31, 2001, 09:54:07 AM EDT

I understand the point just disagreeing with it - (boxley) - (16) - July 31, 2001, 11:17:09 AM EDT

No, you don't. - (addison) - (15) - July 31, 2001, 11:44:25 AM EDT

heres another reason (thanx, freep!) - (boxley) - (1) - July 31, 2001, 09:18:50 PM EDT

Re: heres another reason (thanx, freep!) - (addison) - July 31, 2001, 10:18:41 PM EDT

*sigh* - (imric) - (12) - July 31, 2001, 09:43:54 PM EDT

That's not what I said. - (addison) - (11) - July 31, 2001, 10:10:42 PM EDT

What he said: - (imric) - (10) - July 31, 2001, 10:29:27 PM EDT

Yep. - (addison) - (9) - July 31, 2001, 11:04:47 PM EDT

Hasn't been done so far? - (imric) - (8) - Aug. 1, 2001, 01:05:50 PM EDT

No. - (addison) - (7) - Aug. 1, 2001, 01:47:25 PM EDT

Question about recording - (drewk) - (2) - Aug. 1, 2001, 01:55:06 PM EDT

Not sure about other places. - (DonRichards) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 03:20:25 PM EDT

Heh.. Kinda like the Windoze EULA, no ? - (Ashton) - Aug. 1, 2001, 04:36:41 PM EDT

Interesting point. - (imric) - (3) - Aug. 1, 2001, 07:41:36 PM EDT

Re: Interesting point. - (addison) - Aug. 1, 2001, 08:19:24 PM EDT

Cruiser cams - (wharris2) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 08:49:39 PM EDT

And as such, I have no problem with them - (mhuber) - Aug. 2, 2001, 12:05:07 PM EDT

But aren't you eliding the "powers reserved to the people" - (Ashton) - (6) - July 31, 2001, 03:51:00 PM EDT

I don't think so. - (addison) - (5) - July 31, 2001, 04:14:41 PM EDT

Forget.. mobs dressed in black, smashing cameras. - (Ashton) - (4) - Aug. 1, 2001, 12:58:11 AM EDT

Not the only thing forgotten. - (addison) - (3) - Aug. 1, 2001, 11:06:07 AM EDT

Once again you speak of The Law, monolithically - (Ashton) - (2) - Aug. 1, 2001, 04:08:54 PM EDT

What can I say? - (addison) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 08:14:09 PM EDT

I regret you are taking a characterization of a mindset - (Ashton) - Aug. 1, 2001, 09:58:21 PM EDT

I think you might be slightly mistaken... - (bepatient) - (3) - July 31, 2001, 07:59:31 AM EDT

Actually, I believe it is illegal to listen in on - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - July 31, 2001, 12:47:51 PM EDT

Isn't recording the problem, cell phone or live? - (drewk) - (1) - July 31, 2001, 01:47:07 PM EDT

And that's my problem with the cameras - (mhuber) - July 31, 2001, 04:35:19 PM EDT

Je crois que vous avez misaperc,u cet expression: - (CRConrad) - (1) - July 30, 2001, 07:24:23 PM EDT

Re: apres mois le deluge.. - (Ashton) - July 31, 2001, 02:16:58 AM EDT

I observe, I see a pattern. - (DonRichards) - (19) - July 30, 2001, 09:36:02 AM EDT

But you didn't, that's the problem. - (addison) - (5) - July 30, 2001, 10:41:46 AM EDT

I apologize - (DonRichards) - (4) - July 30, 2001, 12:13:51 PM EDT

Thanks. - (addison) - July 30, 2001, 02:10:14 PM EDT

Wimp! - (deSitter) - (2) - Aug. 3, 2001, 02:42:46 PM EDT

Oh, POAD, fuckwit! - (CRConrad) - Aug. 3, 2001, 03:22:22 PM EDT

Had? - (DonRichards) - Aug. 3, 2001, 03:22:38 PM EDT

No, I think it's *you* who are "los[ing] the point entirely" - (CRConrad) - (12) - July 30, 2001, 10:51:40 AM EDT

All true, as far as it goes. Just too simplistic. - (Ashton) - (11) - July 30, 2001, 06:17:24 PM EDT

"Too simplistic"??? That's fucking rich, coming from *you*! - (CRConrad) - (8) - July 30, 2001, 08:02:32 PM EDT

So.. you want clarity and simplicity - with 'romantics'? - (Ashton) - (7) - July 31, 2001, 02:54:39 AM EDT

Here's why "direct action" is a bad idea... - (pwhysall) - (2) - July 31, 2001, 03:06:54 AM EDT

Point taken. and.. Ugh! - (Ashton) - July 31, 2001, 03:37:28 AM EDT

Re: Here's why "direct action" is a bad idea... - (addison) - July 31, 2001, 12:47:31 PM EDT

No - I want clarity and simplicity *from YOU*, here. - (CRConrad) - (3) - July 31, 2001, 04:21:21 AM EDT

inneresting my kids go to a pediatrician -NT - (boxley) - (1) - July 31, 2001, 08:16:03 AM EDT

Yeah - follow the link in Peter's post... -NT - (CRConrad) - July 31, 2001, 09:06:37 AM EDT

You've defined a 'clarity/simplicity' which doesn't exist: - (Ashton) - July 31, 2001, 03:31:04 PM EDT

Re: Spray painting. - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - July 31, 2001, 10:01:23 AM EDT

Small prediction - (Ashton) - Aug. 1, 2001, 12:16:41 AM EDT

Re: Whatever - (dpeterson) - (3) - July 30, 2001, 09:06:05 AM EDT

Lighten up. - (DonRichards) - (2) - July 30, 2001, 09:48:56 AM EDT

Hey.. a little Evul is Good for the Soul! - (Ashton) - (1) - July 30, 2001, 06:35:58 PM EDT

if there was no evil all the cops would be on welfare :) -NT - (boxley) - July 30, 2001, 09:39:53 PM EDT

Not over my head. - (Brandioch) - (3) - July 23, 2001, 12:26:03 PM EDT

Zoom. - (addison) - (2) - July 23, 2001, 11:23:59 PM EDT

You're going to have to do better than that. - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 24, 2001, 12:44:18 AM EDT

Why? - (addison) - July 27, 2001, 12:21:20 PM EDT

a police cruiser usually - (boxley) - July 21, 2001, 08:59:17 PM EDT

Genoa is a current case. - (addison) - (1) - July 20, 2001, 02:14:34 PM EDT

not my hero's it is an organised - (boxley) - July 20, 2001, 04:16:36 PM EDT

There was a time in the US,... - (a6l6e6x) - July 20, 2001, 02:57:02 PM EDT

Puke - (deSitter) - (1) - July 20, 2001, 11:44:38 AM EDT

now now - (boxley) - July 20, 2001, 01:57:02 PM EDT

Scofflaws are part of the system of checks and balances - (mhuber) - (8) - July 20, 2001, 04:32:56 PM EDT

Re: Scofflaws are part of the system of checks and balances - (addison) - (3) - July 20, 2001, 11:24:38 PM EDT

Speed enforcement - (wharris2) - (1) - July 21, 2001, 07:34:06 PM EDT

Re: Speed enforcement - (addison) - July 30, 2001, 10:52:39 AM EDT

Jumping off the slippery slope - (mhuber) - July 24, 2001, 03:30:32 PM EDT

After some reflection, I'm going to have to disagree with - (addison) - (3) - July 22, 2001, 06:12:33 PM EDT

Not a defence. - (Brandioch) - July 24, 2001, 12:48:10 AM EDT

defend mcveigh? - (boxley) - (1) - July 24, 2001, 10:20:25 AM EDT

Um. - (addison) - July 27, 2001, 12:23:30 PM EDT

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