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Post #2,480
by Simon_Jester
7/20/01 2:51:57 PM
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New Actually, not to nitpick...
But time and distance measure are used in US traffic. At least in Florida where the police have been known to use light planes to watch over the traffic. From timing how long it takes a car to go from point A to point B, they figure speed and then alert the 'wolfpack', several officers a mile or so down the road via radio.
Stainless steel traps breed stainless steel rats.
Post #2,496
by hnick
7/20/01 4:52:31 PM
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New There is a difference...
between measuring time between short distances (approx 0.1 miles usually) and over a long stretch of road. Any speed measurement is some change of distance over some time increment. Monitoring somebodies whole trip and figuring out whether they might have been speeding is harassment (in my jaundiced viewpoint of course...) Then, of course, I don't really think that it is proper in a free society to use the police departments as a profit center either...

Yeah, I know... it's legal...

Hugh
Post #2,497
by Fearless Freep
7/20/01 4:57:21 PM
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New Also New Mexico...
....where I've seen the road markers the planes use to calculate, and Illinois, where I was caught in such a setup
Jay O'Connor

"Going places unmapped
to do things unplanned
to people unsuspecting"
Post #2,553
by Another Scott
7/21/01 2:05:15 PM
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New 1992 study of Photo Radar proposal for DC Capital Beltway
is here:

[link|http://ntl.bts.gov/DOCS/ase.html|[link|http://ntl.bts.gov/DOCS/ase.html|http://ntl.bts.gov/DOCS/ase.html]]

Beware, it's 300 kB or so (140 pages of text)...

It's got some interesting history (e.g., time-and-distance was used to catch speeders in NY in 1902 - times were relayed between officers 1 mile apart), a summary of the legal arguments for and against photo radar, statistics about speeding and accidents on the Beltway, experiences of photo radar use in Paradise Valley, AZ and Pasadena, CA, a small study of photo radar in the VA area, and recommendations and proposed laws for VA and MD.

It's an interesting read.

While they have a survey which says that around 60% of drivers would approve of the use of such a system, and while there are traffic cameras all around it, there's not as yet a photo radar system on the Beltway.

Cheers,
Scott.
Post #2,556
by Brandioch
7/21/01 2:34:53 PM
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New 60%? Right.
60% might approve. That is, until they get their first ticket in the mail.

:)
     UK's surveillance camera vigilantes! - (Ashton) - (138) - July 19, 2001, 05:56:07 PM EDT
         That's a slippery slope, too. - (addison) - (137) - July 19, 2001, 11:37:08 PM EDT
             "Time and distance" was never allowed in US traffic - (Ashton) - (6) - July 20, 2001, 03:17:00 AM EDT
                 Then it shouldn't be a problem. - (addison) - July 20, 2001, 11:13:47 AM EDT
                 Actually, not to nitpick... - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - July 20, 2001, 02:51:57 PM EDT
                     There is a difference... - (hnick) - July 20, 2001, 04:52:31 PM EDT
                     Also New Mexico... - (Fearless Freep) - July 20, 2001, 04:57:21 PM EDT
                     1992 study of Photo Radar proposal for DC Capital Beltway - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 21, 2001, 02:05:15 PM EDT
                         60%? Right. - (Brandioch) - July 21, 2001, 02:34:53 PM EDT
             what the heck is wrong with scofflaws? - (boxley) - (129) - July 20, 2001, 08:30:51 AM EDT
                 The root word of "justice" is "just". - (addison) - (119) - July 20, 2001, 11:00:35 AM EDT
                     tim mcveigh did obey his own law - (boxley) - (116) - July 20, 2001, 11:30:15 AM EDT
                         And we as a society had a problem with that. - (addison) - (115) - July 20, 2001, 11:36:53 AM EDT
                             in response - (boxley) - (114) - July 20, 2001, 01:49:43 PM EDT
                                 Everybody who's name starts with "B", you're under arrest. - (addison) - (110) - July 20, 2001, 02:13:05 PM EDT
                                     It is a judgement call usually - (orion) - July 20, 2001, 04:33:26 PM EDT
                                     Here's a simple syllogism, if not quite rational enough for - (Ashton) - (2) - July 20, 2001, 06:29:12 PM EDT
                                         mama said to save it until I was married - (boxley) - July 20, 2001, 10:11:09 PM EDT
                                         Yep, that's simple. - (addison) - July 20, 2001, 11:16:29 PM EDT
                                     My slightly radical opinion. - (Brandioch) - (21) - July 20, 2001, 07:27:08 PM EDT
                                         Re: My slightly radical opinion. - (addison) - (20) - July 20, 2001, 11:23:49 PM EDT
                                             Work all angles. - (Brandioch) - (19) - July 21, 2001, 02:28:34 PM EDT
                                                 Re: Work all angles. - (addison) - (18) - July 22, 2001, 05:43:45 PM EDT
                                                     To work the system. - (Brandioch) - (17) - July 22, 2001, 08:52:35 PM EDT
                                                         Work it, bayybeeeee. - (addison) - (16) - July 22, 2001, 10:14:43 PM EDT
                                                             so when you get a letter to show up for yer gps ass chip - (boxley) - (15) - July 22, 2001, 11:30:08 PM EDT
                                                                 You're changing the subject even more. - (addison) - (14) - July 23, 2001, 12:01:38 AM EDT
                                                                     Perhaps you are simply realizing it, less and less? - (Ashton) - (9) - July 23, 2001, 03:10:56 AM EDT
                                                                         Re: Perhaps you are simply realizing it, less and less? - (addison) - (8) - July 23, 2001, 08:23:13 AM EDT
                                                                             It's simple, really - but it won't be, for you. - (Ashton) - (7) - July 24, 2001, 02:46:16 AM EDT
                                                                                 Its only simple if you're stupid. - (addison) - (6) - July 24, 2001, 09:44:08 AM EDT
                                                                                     The issue (for me) is thresholds. - (Another Scott) - (4) - July 24, 2001, 10:09:07 AM EDT
                                                                                         Are we civilised or are we not? - (pwhysall) - (2) - July 24, 2001, 10:27:11 AM EDT
                                                                                             I think you're overstating the case... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - July 24, 2001, 01:25:47 PM EDT
                                                                                                 Minor correction - (wharris2) - July 24, 2001, 01:31:38 PM EDT
                                                                                         Fishing... - (imric) - July 24, 2001, 06:45:33 PM EDT
                                                                                     Flailing? - (Brandioch) - July 24, 2001, 01:47:05 PM EDT
                                                                     not changing the subject at all - (boxley) - (3) - July 23, 2001, 09:41:21 AM EDT
                                                                         Ya, Bill, you are. - (addison) - (2) - July 23, 2001, 11:19:52 AM EDT
                                                                             ok then lets continue - (boxley) - (1) - July 24, 2001, 10:08:45 AM EDT
                                                                                 Re: ok then lets continue - (addison) - July 27, 2001, 12:26:46 PM EDT
                                     another point of view - (boxley) - (83) - July 20, 2001, 10:20:05 PM EDT
                                         Re: another point of view - (addison) - (82) - July 20, 2001, 11:31:49 PM EDT
                                             sorry - (boxley) - (81) - July 21, 2001, 01:20:41 AM EDT
                                                 I'm going to have to ask you, as painful as it is, to come - (addison) - (80) - July 21, 2001, 02:29:29 AM EDT
                                                     I can handle that one. - (Brandioch) - (78) - July 21, 2001, 02:48:19 PM EDT
                                                         I don't think you did. - (addison) - (77) - July 22, 2001, 05:50:59 PM EDT
                                                             Legallity vs. right. - (Brandioch) - (76) - July 22, 2001, 08:31:44 PM EDT
                                                                 I think the point is going over your head. - (addison) - (75) - July 22, 2001, 09:53:13 PM EDT
                                                                     the point vs pointy head - (boxley) - (70) - July 22, 2001, 11:24:07 PM EDT
                                                                         Re: the point vs pointy head - (addison) - (69) - July 23, 2001, 12:01:07 AM EDT
                                                                             Addison, your laundry called. Your brown shirts are ready. -NT - (DonRichards) - (68) - July 24, 2001, 08:55:57 AM EDT
                                                                                 Um... - (addison) - (67) - July 24, 2001, 09:34:23 AM EDT
                                                                                     Zoom. It goes over his head. - (DonRichards) - (66) - July 24, 2001, 10:06:17 AM EDT
                                                                                         Not really. - (addison) - (65) - July 27, 2001, 12:04:53 PM EDT
                                                                                             Whatever - (DonRichards) - (64) - July 27, 2001, 04:54:24 PM EDT
                                                                                                 Whatever - (addison) - (59) - July 28, 2001, 11:23:20 AM EDT
                                                                                                     You poor dear. Why *of course* your Logic is superior - (Ashton) - (38) - July 29, 2001, 05:21:07 PM EDT
                                                                                                         Re: You poor dear. Why *of course* your Logic is superior - (addison) - July 29, 2001, 10:38:38 PM EDT
                                                                                                         "Reasoning" with your emotions in stead of logic??? - (CRConrad) - (36) - July 30, 2001, 07:38:00 AM EDT
                                                                                                             Now then CRC. We may eventually get this done, - (Ashton) - (35) - July 30, 2001, 05:13:58 PM EDT
                                                                                                                 Not likely. - (addison) - (32) - July 30, 2001, 06:56:10 PM EDT
                                                                                                                     I think that your position is - (boxley) - (31) - July 30, 2001, 09:36:40 PM EDT
                                                                                                                         You really haven't read me in my posts. - (addison) - (26) - July 30, 2001, 11:39:49 PM EDT
                                                                                                                             dont bother with the facts - (boxley) - (25) - July 31, 2001, 08:14:07 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                 You're still missing Addison's point Bill. - (Another Scott) - (24) - July 31, 2001, 09:54:07 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                     I understand the point just disagreeing with it - (boxley) - (16) - July 31, 2001, 11:17:09 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                         No, you don't. - (addison) - (15) - July 31, 2001, 11:44:25 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                             heres another reason (thanx, freep!) - (boxley) - (1) - July 31, 2001, 09:18:50 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                 Re: heres another reason (thanx, freep!) - (addison) - July 31, 2001, 10:18:41 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                             *sigh* - (imric) - (12) - July 31, 2001, 09:43:54 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                 That's not what I said. - (addison) - (11) - July 31, 2001, 10:10:42 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                     What he said: - (imric) - (10) - July 31, 2001, 10:29:27 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                         Yep. - (addison) - (9) - July 31, 2001, 11:04:47 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                             Hasn't been done so far? - (imric) - (8) - Aug. 1, 2001, 01:05:50 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                 No. - (addison) - (7) - Aug. 1, 2001, 01:47:25 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                     Question about recording - (drewk) - (2) - Aug. 1, 2001, 01:55:06 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                         Not sure about other places. - (DonRichards) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 03:20:25 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                             Heh.. Kinda like the Windoze EULA, no ? - (Ashton) - Aug. 1, 2001, 04:36:41 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                     Interesting point. - (imric) - (3) - Aug. 1, 2001, 07:41:36 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                         Re: Interesting point. - (addison) - Aug. 1, 2001, 08:19:24 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                         Cruiser cams - (wharris2) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 08:49:39 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                             And as such, I have no problem with them - (mhuber) - Aug. 2, 2001, 12:05:07 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                     But aren't you eliding the "powers reserved to the people" - (Ashton) - (6) - July 31, 2001, 03:51:00 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                         I don't think so. - (addison) - (5) - July 31, 2001, 04:14:41 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                             Forget.. mobs dressed in black, smashing cameras. - (Ashton) - (4) - Aug. 1, 2001, 12:58:11 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                                 Not the only thing forgotten. - (addison) - (3) - Aug. 1, 2001, 11:06:07 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                                     Once again you speak of The Law, monolithically - (Ashton) - (2) - Aug. 1, 2001, 04:08:54 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                         What can I say? - (addison) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 08:14:09 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                             I regret you are taking a characterization of a mindset - (Ashton) - Aug. 1, 2001, 09:58:21 PM EDT
                                                                                                                         I think you might be slightly mistaken... - (bepatient) - (3) - July 31, 2001, 07:59:31 AM EDT
                                                                                                                             Actually, I believe it is illegal to listen in on - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - July 31, 2001, 12:47:51 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                 Isn't recording the problem, cell phone or live? - (drewk) - (1) - July 31, 2001, 01:47:07 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                     And that's my problem with the cameras - (mhuber) - July 31, 2001, 04:35:19 PM EDT
                                                                                                                 Je crois que vous avez misaperc,u cet expression: - (CRConrad) - (1) - July 30, 2001, 07:24:23 PM EDT
                                                                                                                     Re: apres mois le deluge.. - (Ashton) - July 31, 2001, 02:16:58 AM EDT
                                                                                                     I observe, I see a pattern. - (DonRichards) - (19) - July 30, 2001, 09:36:02 AM EDT
                                                                                                         But you didn't, that's the problem. - (addison) - (5) - July 30, 2001, 10:41:46 AM EDT
                                                                                                             I apologize - (DonRichards) - (4) - July 30, 2001, 12:13:51 PM EDT
                                                                                                                 Thanks. - (addison) - July 30, 2001, 02:10:14 PM EDT
                                                                                                                 Wimp! - (deSitter) - (2) - Aug. 3, 2001, 02:42:46 PM EDT
                                                                                                                     Oh, POAD, fuckwit! - (CRConrad) - Aug. 3, 2001, 03:22:22 PM EDT
                                                                                                                     Had? - (DonRichards) - Aug. 3, 2001, 03:22:38 PM EDT
                                                                                                         No, I think it's *you* who are "los[ing] the point entirely" - (CRConrad) - (12) - July 30, 2001, 10:51:40 AM EDT
                                                                                                             All true, as far as it goes. Just too simplistic. - (Ashton) - (11) - July 30, 2001, 06:17:24 PM EDT
                                                                                                                 "Too simplistic"??? That's fucking rich, coming from *you*! - (CRConrad) - (8) - July 30, 2001, 08:02:32 PM EDT
                                                                                                                     So.. you want clarity and simplicity - with 'romantics'? - (Ashton) - (7) - July 31, 2001, 02:54:39 AM EDT
                                                                                                                         Here's why "direct action" is a bad idea... - (pwhysall) - (2) - July 31, 2001, 03:06:54 AM EDT
                                                                                                                             Point taken. and.. Ugh! - (Ashton) - July 31, 2001, 03:37:28 AM EDT
                                                                                                                             Re: Here's why "direct action" is a bad idea... - (addison) - July 31, 2001, 12:47:31 PM EDT
                                                                                                                         No - I want clarity and simplicity *from YOU*, here. - (CRConrad) - (3) - July 31, 2001, 04:21:21 AM EDT
                                                                                                                             inneresting my kids go to a pediatrician -NT - (boxley) - (1) - July 31, 2001, 08:16:03 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                 Yeah - follow the link in Peter's post... -NT - (CRConrad) - July 31, 2001, 09:06:37 AM EDT
                                                                                                                             You've defined a 'clarity/simplicity' which doesn't exist: - (Ashton) - July 31, 2001, 03:31:04 PM EDT
                                                                                                                 Re: Spray painting. - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - July 31, 2001, 10:01:23 AM EDT
                                                                                                                     Small prediction - (Ashton) - Aug. 1, 2001, 12:16:41 AM EDT
                                                                                                 Re: Whatever - (dpeterson) - (3) - July 30, 2001, 09:06:05 AM EDT
                                                                                                     Lighten up. - (DonRichards) - (2) - July 30, 2001, 09:48:56 AM EDT
                                                                                                         Hey.. a little Evul is Good for the Soul! - (Ashton) - (1) - July 30, 2001, 06:35:58 PM EDT
                                                                                                             if there was no evil all the cops would be on welfare :) -NT - (boxley) - July 30, 2001, 09:39:53 PM EDT
                                                                     Not over my head. - (Brandioch) - (3) - July 23, 2001, 12:26:03 PM EDT
                                                                         Zoom. - (addison) - (2) - July 23, 2001, 11:23:59 PM EDT
                                                                             You're going to have to do better than that. - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 24, 2001, 12:44:18 AM EDT
                                                                                 Why? - (addison) - July 27, 2001, 12:21:20 PM EDT
                                                     a police cruiser usually - (boxley) - July 21, 2001, 08:59:17 PM EDT
                                 Genoa is a current case. - (addison) - (1) - July 20, 2001, 02:14:34 PM EDT
                                     not my hero's it is an organised - (boxley) - July 20, 2001, 04:16:36 PM EDT
                                 There was a time in the US,... - (a6l6e6x) - July 20, 2001, 02:57:02 PM EDT
                     Puke - (deSitter) - (1) - July 20, 2001, 11:44:38 AM EDT
                         now now - (boxley) - July 20, 2001, 01:57:02 PM EDT
                 Scofflaws are part of the system of checks and balances - (mhuber) - (8) - July 20, 2001, 04:32:56 PM EDT
                     Re: Scofflaws are part of the system of checks and balances - (addison) - (3) - July 20, 2001, 11:24:38 PM EDT
                         Speed enforcement - (wharris2) - (1) - July 21, 2001, 07:34:06 PM EDT
                             Re: Speed enforcement - (addison) - July 30, 2001, 10:52:39 AM EDT
                         Jumping off the slippery slope - (mhuber) - July 24, 2001, 03:30:32 PM EDT
                     After some reflection, I'm going to have to disagree with - (addison) - (3) - July 22, 2001, 06:12:33 PM EDT
                         Not a defence. - (Brandioch) - July 24, 2001, 12:48:10 AM EDT
                         defend mcveigh? - (boxley) - (1) - July 24, 2001, 10:20:25 AM EDT
                             Um. - (addison) - July 27, 2001, 12:23:30 PM EDT

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