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Post #3,169 by pwhysall 7/31/01 3:06:54 AM Reply	Here's why "direct action" is a bad idea... ...People are stupid. In the UK, at the height of the paedophilia hysteria, a mob [link\|http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/wales/newsid_901000/901723.stm\|attacked ] the home of a paediatrician, because they were TOO FUCKING STUPID to realise that a paediatrician is a doctor who specialises in children. THAT, my dear Ashton, is what scares the CRAP out of me about "direct action" and violent civil disobedience - not the kinds of people who post here, but the knee-jerk nutters with room-temperature IQs. -- Peter Shill For Hire
Post #3,172 by Ashton 7/31/01 3:37:28 AM Reply	Point taken. and.. Ugh! Words fail on this incident. Yet too - spray cans means: government has utterly failed to address legitimate concerns, presented in lawful ways. Of course mobs suck - but I doubt this issue would galvanize more than a handful of people actively disabling a fait accompli (array of new cameras or such). Were the Freedom Riders in the segregated south - a mob action? If so - certainly a well-organized one, with the screaming and rioting occurring on the opponents' side. The demonstrators' forbearance was almost super-human. Somewhere in between - villagers unclear on the concept of paedo- and the utter nonviolence of the Freedom Riders - is what might occur. IF.. (No occasion for pitched battles.) Ashton It's really hard to calculate the dumbth card, though.. as you say.
Post #3,242 by addison 7/31/01 12:47:31 PM Reply	Re: Here's why "direct action" is a bad idea... What else to quote but: [link\|http://us.imdb.com/Title?0072431\|Young Frankenstein] Inspector Kemp: A riot isss an ugly thing. And vonce you get one started, there is leettle chance of stopping it, short of bloodshed. I think, before we go around killing people, we had better make daeemned! sure! of our evidence. And we had better confeerm the fact that Young Frankenstein is indeed following in his grandfather's footschteps. All: What? Inspector Kemp: Following in his grandfather's footschteps, [stomping feet] footschteps, footschteps. All: Oh, footsteps.

UK's surveillance camera vigilantes! - (Ashton) - (138) - July 19, 2001, 05:56:07 PM EDT

That's a slippery slope, too. - (addison) - (137) - July 19, 2001, 11:37:08 PM EDT

"Time and distance" was never allowed in US traffic - (Ashton) - (6) - July 20, 2001, 03:17:00 AM EDT

Then it shouldn't be a problem. - (addison) - July 20, 2001, 11:13:47 AM EDT

Actually, not to nitpick... - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - July 20, 2001, 02:51:57 PM EDT

There is a difference... - (hnick) - July 20, 2001, 04:52:31 PM EDT

Also New Mexico... - (Fearless Freep) - July 20, 2001, 04:57:21 PM EDT

1992 study of Photo Radar proposal for DC Capital Beltway - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 21, 2001, 02:05:15 PM EDT

60%? Right. - (Brandioch) - July 21, 2001, 02:34:53 PM EDT

what the heck is wrong with scofflaws? - (boxley) - (129) - July 20, 2001, 08:30:51 AM EDT

The root word of "justice" is "just". - (addison) - (119) - July 20, 2001, 11:00:35 AM EDT

tim mcveigh did obey his own law - (boxley) - (116) - July 20, 2001, 11:30:15 AM EDT

And we as a society had a problem with that. - (addison) - (115) - July 20, 2001, 11:36:53 AM EDT

in response - (boxley) - (114) - July 20, 2001, 01:49:43 PM EDT

Everybody who's name starts with "B", you're under arrest. - (addison) - (110) - July 20, 2001, 02:13:05 PM EDT

It is a judgement call usually - (orion) - July 20, 2001, 04:33:26 PM EDT

Here's a simple syllogism, if not quite rational enough for - (Ashton) - (2) - July 20, 2001, 06:29:12 PM EDT

mama said to save it until I was married - (boxley) - July 20, 2001, 10:11:09 PM EDT

Yep, that's simple. - (addison) - July 20, 2001, 11:16:29 PM EDT

My slightly radical opinion. - (Brandioch) - (21) - July 20, 2001, 07:27:08 PM EDT

Re: My slightly radical opinion. - (addison) - (20) - July 20, 2001, 11:23:49 PM EDT

Work all angles. - (Brandioch) - (19) - July 21, 2001, 02:28:34 PM EDT

Re: Work all angles. - (addison) - (18) - July 22, 2001, 05:43:45 PM EDT

To work the system. - (Brandioch) - (17) - July 22, 2001, 08:52:35 PM EDT

Work it, bayybeeeee. - (addison) - (16) - July 22, 2001, 10:14:43 PM EDT

so when you get a letter to show up for yer gps ass chip - (boxley) - (15) - July 22, 2001, 11:30:08 PM EDT

You're changing the subject even more. - (addison) - (14) - July 23, 2001, 12:01:38 AM EDT

Perhaps you are simply realizing it, less and less? - (Ashton) - (9) - July 23, 2001, 03:10:56 AM EDT

Re: Perhaps you are simply realizing it, less and less? - (addison) - (8) - July 23, 2001, 08:23:13 AM EDT

It's simple, really - but it won't be, for you. - (Ashton) - (7) - July 24, 2001, 02:46:16 AM EDT

Its only simple if you're stupid. - (addison) - (6) - July 24, 2001, 09:44:08 AM EDT

The issue (for me) is thresholds. - (Another Scott) - (4) - July 24, 2001, 10:09:07 AM EDT

Are we civilised or are we not? - (pwhysall) - (2) - July 24, 2001, 10:27:11 AM EDT

I think you're overstating the case... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - July 24, 2001, 01:25:47 PM EDT

Minor correction - (wharris2) - July 24, 2001, 01:31:38 PM EDT

Fishing... - (imric) - July 24, 2001, 06:45:33 PM EDT

Flailing? - (Brandioch) - July 24, 2001, 01:47:05 PM EDT

not changing the subject at all - (boxley) - (3) - July 23, 2001, 09:41:21 AM EDT

Ya, Bill, you are. - (addison) - (2) - July 23, 2001, 11:19:52 AM EDT

ok then lets continue - (boxley) - (1) - July 24, 2001, 10:08:45 AM EDT

Re: ok then lets continue - (addison) - July 27, 2001, 12:26:46 PM EDT

another point of view - (boxley) - (83) - July 20, 2001, 10:20:05 PM EDT

Re: another point of view - (addison) - (82) - July 20, 2001, 11:31:49 PM EDT

sorry - (boxley) - (81) - July 21, 2001, 01:20:41 AM EDT

I'm going to have to ask you, as painful as it is, to come - (addison) - (80) - July 21, 2001, 02:29:29 AM EDT

I can handle that one. - (Brandioch) - (78) - July 21, 2001, 02:48:19 PM EDT

I don't think you did. - (addison) - (77) - July 22, 2001, 05:50:59 PM EDT

Legallity vs. right. - (Brandioch) - (76) - July 22, 2001, 08:31:44 PM EDT

I think the point is going over your head. - (addison) - (75) - July 22, 2001, 09:53:13 PM EDT

the point vs pointy head - (boxley) - (70) - July 22, 2001, 11:24:07 PM EDT

Re: the point vs pointy head - (addison) - (69) - July 23, 2001, 12:01:07 AM EDT

Addison, your laundry called. Your brown shirts are ready. -NT - (DonRichards) - (68) - July 24, 2001, 08:55:57 AM EDT

Um... - (addison) - (67) - July 24, 2001, 09:34:23 AM EDT

Zoom. It goes over his head. - (DonRichards) - (66) - July 24, 2001, 10:06:17 AM EDT

Not really. - (addison) - (65) - July 27, 2001, 12:04:53 PM EDT

Whatever - (DonRichards) - (64) - July 27, 2001, 04:54:24 PM EDT

Whatever - (addison) - (59) - July 28, 2001, 11:23:20 AM EDT

You poor dear. Why *of course* your Logic is superior - (Ashton) - (38) - July 29, 2001, 05:21:07 PM EDT

Re: You poor dear. Why *of course* your Logic is superior - (addison) - July 29, 2001, 10:38:38 PM EDT

"Reasoning" with your emotions in stead of logic??? - (CRConrad) - (36) - July 30, 2001, 07:38:00 AM EDT

Now then CRC. We may eventually get this done, - (Ashton) - (35) - July 30, 2001, 05:13:58 PM EDT

Not likely. - (addison) - (32) - July 30, 2001, 06:56:10 PM EDT

I think that your position is - (boxley) - (31) - July 30, 2001, 09:36:40 PM EDT

You really haven't read me in my posts. - (addison) - (26) - July 30, 2001, 11:39:49 PM EDT

dont bother with the facts - (boxley) - (25) - July 31, 2001, 08:14:07 AM EDT

You're still missing Addison's point Bill. - (Another Scott) - (24) - July 31, 2001, 09:54:07 AM EDT

I understand the point just disagreeing with it - (boxley) - (16) - July 31, 2001, 11:17:09 AM EDT

No, you don't. - (addison) - (15) - July 31, 2001, 11:44:25 AM EDT

heres another reason (thanx, freep!) - (boxley) - (1) - July 31, 2001, 09:18:50 PM EDT

Re: heres another reason (thanx, freep!) - (addison) - July 31, 2001, 10:18:41 PM EDT

*sigh* - (imric) - (12) - July 31, 2001, 09:43:54 PM EDT

That's not what I said. - (addison) - (11) - July 31, 2001, 10:10:42 PM EDT

What he said: - (imric) - (10) - July 31, 2001, 10:29:27 PM EDT

Yep. - (addison) - (9) - July 31, 2001, 11:04:47 PM EDT

Hasn't been done so far? - (imric) - (8) - Aug. 1, 2001, 01:05:50 PM EDT

No. - (addison) - (7) - Aug. 1, 2001, 01:47:25 PM EDT

Question about recording - (drewk) - (2) - Aug. 1, 2001, 01:55:06 PM EDT

Not sure about other places. - (DonRichards) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 03:20:25 PM EDT

Heh.. Kinda like the Windoze EULA, no ? - (Ashton) - Aug. 1, 2001, 04:36:41 PM EDT

Interesting point. - (imric) - (3) - Aug. 1, 2001, 07:41:36 PM EDT

Re: Interesting point. - (addison) - Aug. 1, 2001, 08:19:24 PM EDT

Cruiser cams - (wharris2) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 08:49:39 PM EDT

And as such, I have no problem with them - (mhuber) - Aug. 2, 2001, 12:05:07 PM EDT

But aren't you eliding the "powers reserved to the people" - (Ashton) - (6) - July 31, 2001, 03:51:00 PM EDT

I don't think so. - (addison) - (5) - July 31, 2001, 04:14:41 PM EDT

Forget.. mobs dressed in black, smashing cameras. - (Ashton) - (4) - Aug. 1, 2001, 12:58:11 AM EDT

Not the only thing forgotten. - (addison) - (3) - Aug. 1, 2001, 11:06:07 AM EDT

Once again you speak of The Law, monolithically - (Ashton) - (2) - Aug. 1, 2001, 04:08:54 PM EDT

What can I say? - (addison) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 08:14:09 PM EDT

I regret you are taking a characterization of a mindset - (Ashton) - Aug. 1, 2001, 09:58:21 PM EDT

I think you might be slightly mistaken... - (bepatient) - (3) - July 31, 2001, 07:59:31 AM EDT

Actually, I believe it is illegal to listen in on - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - July 31, 2001, 12:47:51 PM EDT

Isn't recording the problem, cell phone or live? - (drewk) - (1) - July 31, 2001, 01:47:07 PM EDT

And that's my problem with the cameras - (mhuber) - July 31, 2001, 04:35:19 PM EDT

Je crois que vous avez misaperc,u cet expression: - (CRConrad) - (1) - July 30, 2001, 07:24:23 PM EDT

Re: apres mois le deluge.. - (Ashton) - July 31, 2001, 02:16:58 AM EDT

I observe, I see a pattern. - (DonRichards) - (19) - July 30, 2001, 09:36:02 AM EDT

But you didn't, that's the problem. - (addison) - (5) - July 30, 2001, 10:41:46 AM EDT

I apologize - (DonRichards) - (4) - July 30, 2001, 12:13:51 PM EDT

Thanks. - (addison) - July 30, 2001, 02:10:14 PM EDT

Wimp! - (deSitter) - (2) - Aug. 3, 2001, 02:42:46 PM EDT

Oh, POAD, fuckwit! - (CRConrad) - Aug. 3, 2001, 03:22:22 PM EDT

Had? - (DonRichards) - Aug. 3, 2001, 03:22:38 PM EDT

No, I think it's *you* who are "los[ing] the point entirely" - (CRConrad) - (12) - July 30, 2001, 10:51:40 AM EDT

All true, as far as it goes. Just too simplistic. - (Ashton) - (11) - July 30, 2001, 06:17:24 PM EDT

"Too simplistic"??? That's fucking rich, coming from *you*! - (CRConrad) - (8) - July 30, 2001, 08:02:32 PM EDT

So.. you want clarity and simplicity - with 'romantics'? - (Ashton) - (7) - July 31, 2001, 02:54:39 AM EDT

Here's why "direct action" is a bad idea... - (pwhysall) - (2) - July 31, 2001, 03:06:54 AM EDT

Point taken. and.. Ugh! - (Ashton) - July 31, 2001, 03:37:28 AM EDT

Re: Here's why "direct action" is a bad idea... - (addison) - July 31, 2001, 12:47:31 PM EDT

No - I want clarity and simplicity *from YOU*, here. - (CRConrad) - (3) - July 31, 2001, 04:21:21 AM EDT

inneresting my kids go to a pediatrician -NT - (boxley) - (1) - July 31, 2001, 08:16:03 AM EDT

Yeah - follow the link in Peter's post... -NT - (CRConrad) - July 31, 2001, 09:06:37 AM EDT

You've defined a 'clarity/simplicity' which doesn't exist: - (Ashton) - July 31, 2001, 03:31:04 PM EDT

Re: Spray painting. - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - July 31, 2001, 10:01:23 AM EDT

Small prediction - (Ashton) - Aug. 1, 2001, 12:16:41 AM EDT

Re: Whatever - (dpeterson) - (3) - July 30, 2001, 09:06:05 AM EDT

Lighten up. - (DonRichards) - (2) - July 30, 2001, 09:48:56 AM EDT

Hey.. a little Evul is Good for the Soul! - (Ashton) - (1) - July 30, 2001, 06:35:58 PM EDT

if there was no evil all the cops would be on welfare :) -NT - (boxley) - July 30, 2001, 09:39:53 PM EDT

Not over my head. - (Brandioch) - (3) - July 23, 2001, 12:26:03 PM EDT

Zoom. - (addison) - (2) - July 23, 2001, 11:23:59 PM EDT

You're going to have to do better than that. - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 24, 2001, 12:44:18 AM EDT

Why? - (addison) - July 27, 2001, 12:21:20 PM EDT

a police cruiser usually - (boxley) - July 21, 2001, 08:59:17 PM EDT

Genoa is a current case. - (addison) - (1) - July 20, 2001, 02:14:34 PM EDT

not my hero's it is an organised - (boxley) - July 20, 2001, 04:16:36 PM EDT

There was a time in the US,... - (a6l6e6x) - July 20, 2001, 02:57:02 PM EDT

Puke - (deSitter) - (1) - July 20, 2001, 11:44:38 AM EDT

now now - (boxley) - July 20, 2001, 01:57:02 PM EDT

Scofflaws are part of the system of checks and balances - (mhuber) - (8) - July 20, 2001, 04:32:56 PM EDT

Re: Scofflaws are part of the system of checks and balances - (addison) - (3) - July 20, 2001, 11:24:38 PM EDT

Speed enforcement - (wharris2) - (1) - July 21, 2001, 07:34:06 PM EDT

Re: Speed enforcement - (addison) - July 30, 2001, 10:52:39 AM EDT

Jumping off the slippery slope - (mhuber) - July 24, 2001, 03:30:32 PM EDT

After some reflection, I'm going to have to disagree with - (addison) - (3) - July 22, 2001, 06:12:33 PM EDT

Not a defence. - (Brandioch) - July 24, 2001, 12:48:10 AM EDT

defend mcveigh? - (boxley) - (1) - July 24, 2001, 10:20:25 AM EDT

Um. - (addison) - July 27, 2001, 12:23:30 PM EDT

And to the tune of a billion dollars I supplied to the DOE some tasty little nuggets of alien technology... and as one might expect I've been HARASSED for YEARS!
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