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Post #47,074
by tuberculosis
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7/26/02 3:49:08 PM
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New You still need Office
Which is an insane amount of money these days.

Plus, MS puts you on a treadmill to keep the revenues running.

Linux? I've never bought a PC (think the hardware is lame and won't pay the MS tax) so I can't speak to its general usefulness - but the Linux distros for various macs (which I have installed) were so fiddly and lame as to leave me wondering what the noise was about.

My opion of the apps on linux - they kinda suck. The dev environment - ditto. Even nextstep isn't ready for prime time.

OS X is a nice supported commercial unix with good dev tools and a good suite of apps. Plus I like the hardware. Its not a fiddly thing that drives me nuts getting it running. It just works out of the box. So I like it. What a surprise, we're in the Mac forums and I'm saying I prefer OS X to any other OS out there. Try not to act too surprised, OK?

I do happen to have a linux box at the moment as a workgroup server. Its running resin to run the devtools.org wiki, its our cvs over ssh server, but we never use an interface more elaborate than bash on it. For what it does, its fine. But I don't think I'd use it for much more than that and I'm probably going to replace it with a solaris box.

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Post #47,091
by orion
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7/26/02 6:38:14 PM
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New But Office isn't part of the OS
and it is optional. One does not need to buy Office to get a working PC. Maybe Dell and Gateway etc bundle Office with their PC, but I bet they offer models without Office, or ones that use MS-Works instead. That is like me saying that in order to use a Mac, you also have to buy Appleworks and Filemaker Pro and subscribe to the .Mac service.

BTW what is up with those $129USD MacOSX 10.2 upgrades? Doesn't Apple have an "upgrade" price to older OSX owners?
I am free now, to choose my own destiny.
Post #47,179
by tuberculosis
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7/27/02 11:15:30 AM
7/27/02 11:18:10 AM
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New Sure it is
Just like Explorer is.

Actually, MS doesn't maintain a clear distinction between OS code and app code. No sense of architecture in their stuff. I've never seen a PC without Office and the rest of the MS app stuff installed by default.

RE Upgrade: OS development costs money. You have to pay for its somehow.
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Post #47,190
by orion
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7/27/02 2:11:21 PM
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New I said it before
and I'll say it again for the hard of hearing. Office is an optional package for Windows, some systems use MSWorks instead for the bundled software package.
I am free now, to choose my own destiny.
Post #47,483
by wharris2
7/30/02 1:40:35 PM
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New Re: I said it before
some systems use MSWorks instead for the bundled software package.

(raises hand) I haven't used much of it except the calendar, but I suppose its word processor and/or spreadsheet and/or whatever are adequate (even though I do still remember PC Write, PC Outline, probably with too much nostalgia.)
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     Argh! Why are Mac users so WHINY!!! - (tjsinclair) - (93) - July 18, 2002, 01:22:16 AM EDT
         I hate the Mac - (tuberculosis) - (85) - July 18, 2002, 10:47:53 AM EDT
             Agreed - (tjsinclair) - July 18, 2002, 12:11:49 PM EDT
             It was a love-hate relationship - (orion) - July 18, 2002, 12:31:53 PM EDT
             I said this many a year ago - (orion) - (79) - July 18, 2002, 05:28:18 PM EDT
                 I remember - (tuberculosis) - (78) - July 19, 2002, 05:34:48 AM EDT
                     Desktop Unixes and Mac Users - (orion) - July 19, 2002, 08:10:13 AM EDT
                     But here is my point - (orion) - (76) - July 19, 2002, 09:10:32 AM EDT
                         Excessive diversity - (tuberculosis) - (75) - July 19, 2002, 09:43:25 AM EDT
                             Things have changed - (orion) - (74) - July 19, 2002, 09:52:28 AM EDT
                                 Not enough - (tuberculosis) - (73) - July 22, 2002, 03:09:25 AM EDT
                                     That sounds painful - (snork) - (69) - July 22, 2002, 11:09:40 AM EDT
                                         Not all of the PC Industry - (orion) - (68) - July 22, 2002, 12:49:08 PM EDT
                                             Pretty much - (tuberculosis) - (67) - July 22, 2002, 04:56:30 PM EDT
                                                 Optical mouse/mouse wheel? - (admin) - (9) - July 22, 2002, 05:24:04 PM EDT
                                                     Sun Workstations - 1987 - (tuberculosis) - (8) - July 23, 2002, 02:41:39 AM EDT
                                                         Morley (ot) - (Steve Lowe) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 03:10:27 AM EDT
                                                             I know what you mean! -NT - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 09:09:34 AM EDT
                                                         Different optical technologies - (tonytib) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 12:42:30 PM EDT
                                                             OK, Noted - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 04:57:23 PM EDT
                                                         Re: Sun Workstations - 1987 - (pwhysall) - (2) - July 23, 2002, 05:05:15 PM EDT
                                                             Hahahahaha! - (admin) - July 23, 2002, 05:24:37 PM EDT
                                                             Yep - I remember that. -NT - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 05:27:48 PM EDT
                                                         Figured you would say that. - (admin) - July 23, 2002, 05:25:41 PM EDT
                                                 The PC side - (andread) - (1) - July 22, 2002, 07:07:25 PM EDT
                                                     Latchable menus - OK - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 02:44:14 AM EDT
                                                 Let me think about it - (orion) - (54) - July 22, 2002, 07:10:51 PM EDT
                                                     Nope - (tuberculosis) - (40) - July 23, 2002, 03:04:08 AM EDT
                                                         Re: Nope - (Steve Lowe) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 03:14:57 AM EDT
                                                             How many paper airplanes did your team build? - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 09:13:07 AM EDT
                                                         PC Sound - (orion) - (7) - July 23, 2002, 10:51:23 AM EDT
                                                             Forget it - (pwhysall) - (6) - July 23, 2002, 12:45:39 PM EDT
                                                                 More stuff they should have stole - (orion) - (4) - July 23, 2002, 01:27:15 PM EDT
                                                                     The Enlightenment WM Had/Has It -NT - (altmann) - (3) - July 23, 2002, 01:51:42 PM EDT
                                                                         I always hated that feature - (tuberculosis) - (2) - July 23, 2002, 05:25:25 PM EDT
                                                                             I loved it - (orion) - July 23, 2002, 05:29:26 PM EDT
                                                                             Yes/no - (admin) - July 23, 2002, 05:33:21 PM EDT
                                                                 Hey somebody gets it! - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 04:25:16 PM EDT
                                                         What about the light pen interface? - (orion) - (9) - July 23, 2002, 01:39:50 PM EDT
                                                             Did your computer come with one? Does the mac? Not ubiq. - (tuberculosis) - (8) - July 23, 2002, 04:22:45 PM EDT
                                                                 So what? On the PC the mouse is optional. - (orion) - (7) - July 23, 2002, 04:32:10 PM EDT
                                                                     You're off topic - (tuberculosis) - (6) - July 23, 2002, 05:01:22 PM EDT
                                                                         You're off your rocker - (orion) - (5) - July 23, 2002, 05:27:22 PM EDT
                                                                             ?!?!? - (tuberculosis) - (4) - July 23, 2002, 05:42:00 PM EDT
                                                                                 Stay on topic indeed? - (orion) - (3) - July 23, 2002, 06:13:29 PM EDT
                                                                                     Taking your ball and going home? - (pwhysall) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 06:21:35 PM EDT
                                                                                         Not my ball, not my home, not my game. - (orion) - July 23, 2002, 09:28:31 PM EDT
                                                                                     OK, I'll make this simple for you - (tuberculosis) - July 24, 2002, 02:58:34 AM EDT
                                                         Au contraire - (wharris2) - (19) - July 23, 2002, 03:10:14 PM EDT
                                                             Don't tease the Mac Fans - (orion) - (2) - July 23, 2002, 04:13:29 PM EDT
                                                                 You miss the point - (pwhysall) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 04:38:16 PM EDT
                                                                     Big deal - (orion) - July 23, 2002, 04:49:47 PM EDT
                                                             Think Not - (tuberculosis) - (15) - July 23, 2002, 04:48:04 PM EDT
                                                                 Price, even if you like it or not, always is a big factor. - (orion) - (14) - July 23, 2002, 04:58:46 PM EDT
                                                                     So low price is a PC "innovation" copied by everybody else? - (tuberculosis) - (13) - July 23, 2002, 05:06:55 PM EDT
                                                                         The point is innovating to keep the price down, better bang - (orion) - (12) - July 23, 2002, 05:36:03 PM EDT
                                                                             Maybe - (tuberculosis) - (11) - July 23, 2002, 05:45:24 PM EDT
                                                                                 You apparently don't seem to see a lot of things - (orion) - (10) - July 23, 2002, 06:16:39 PM EDT
                                                                                     What systems are those then? - (pwhysall) - (9) - July 23, 2002, 06:19:28 PM EDT
                                                                                         I always thought you were intelligent. - (wharris2) - (8) - July 26, 2002, 02:55:10 AM EDT
                                                                                             Expandable in which dimension? - (tuberculosis) - (1) - July 26, 2002, 03:39:55 AM EDT
                                                                                                 Fear of a Red Hat - (orion) - July 26, 2002, 12:08:39 PM EDT
                                                                                             Not only that - (orion) - (5) - July 26, 2002, 12:03:18 PM EDT
                                                                                                 You still need Office - (tuberculosis) - (4) - July 26, 2002, 03:49:08 PM EDT
                                                                                                     But Office isn't part of the OS - (orion) - (3) - July 26, 2002, 06:38:14 PM EDT
                                                                                                         Sure it is - (tuberculosis) - (2) - July 27, 2002, 11:18:10 AM EDT
                                                                                                             I said it before - (orion) - (1) - July 27, 2002, 02:11:21 PM EDT
                                                                                                                 Re: I said it before - (wharris2) - July 30, 2002, 01:40:35 PM EDT
                                                     *Spurts coffee over keyboard* - (pwhysall) - (12) - July 23, 2002, 12:50:03 PM EDT
                                                         It was free, when it was Outlook 98 - (orion) - (10) - July 23, 2002, 01:32:07 PM EDT
                                                             Nope - (pwhysall) - (9) - July 23, 2002, 02:32:59 PM EDT
                                                                 Huh? - (orion) - (8) - July 23, 2002, 03:57:30 PM EDT
                                                                     Key Words - (pwhysall) - (7) - July 23, 2002, 05:13:35 PM EDT
                                                                         OT Your BLOG - (tuberculosis) - (6) - July 23, 2002, 05:23:22 PM EDT
                                                                             Re: OT Your BLOG - (pwhysall) - (5) - July 23, 2002, 05:25:21 PM EDT
                                                                                 Perl - ICK! - (tuberculosis) - (4) - July 23, 2002, 05:51:59 PM EDT
                                                                                     Re: Perl - ICK! - (pwhysall) - (3) - July 23, 2002, 05:55:06 PM EDT
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                                                                                                 Thanks! - (tuberculosis) - July 24, 2002, 03:02:06 AM EDT
                                                         Evolution - (altmann) - July 24, 2002, 02:30:56 AM EDT
                                     Actually, there has been innovation in PC's - (tonytib) - (2) - July 23, 2002, 07:58:10 PM EDT
                                         Preach on! - (orion) - July 23, 2002, 08:54:48 PM EDT
                                         My price trick - (tuberculosis) - July 24, 2002, 02:49:56 AM EDT
             Why I hate the Mac - (orion) - (2) - July 19, 2002, 02:50:43 PM EDT
                 I am your long lost sister - (Dark Phoenix 2) - (1) - July 30, 2002, 04:05:44 PM EDT
                     Sister, where have you been? - (orion) - July 31, 2002, 12:08:14 AM EDT
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         The Katt knows! - (orion) - (5) - July 18, 2002, 07:33:29 PM EDT
             Cute, but not to the point - (tjsinclair) - (4) - July 18, 2002, 09:52:12 PM EDT
                 But I already have it! - (snork) - (3) - July 19, 2002, 12:06:17 PM EDT
                     Good point - (tjsinclair) - (1) - July 19, 2002, 05:17:56 PM EDT
                         Can't argue with that - (snork) - July 21, 2002, 12:33:40 AM EDT
                     Yeah I know - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 05:09:37 PM EDT

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