(new) Theory and Practice of Programming

Initial developer release of Croquet available - (FuManChu) - (4) - Oct. 12, 2004, 12:00:11 PM EDT

KFC Request: What is it, besides "croquet"? -NT - (Yendor) - (3) - Oct. 12, 2004, 12:11:12 PM EDT

Think... - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 12, 2004, 12:30:02 PM EDT

Several pieces to it - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Oct. 12, 2004, 01:48:05 PM EDT

Perfect, thanks! -NT - (Yendor) - Oct. 12, 2004, 01:58:08 PM EDT

I finally figured out why people don't grok Unicode - (FuManChu) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 01:11:59 PM EDT

Where did you find that? - (tuberculosis) - Oct. 8, 2004, 05:40:36 PM EDT

Perl frustrations - (tuberculosis) - (45) - Oct. 7, 2004, 03:55:53 PM EDT

Simple solution - (ben_tilly) - (10) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:31:13 PM EDT

Bleh. - (admin) - (3) - Oct. 7, 2004, 04:42:49 PM EDT

That's because you approached it wrong - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:22:57 PM EDT

I'm gradually warming up to it - (deSitter) - Oct. 7, 2004, 09:08:18 PM EDT

That should be in the man page. - (static) - Oct. 8, 2004, 02:17:42 AM EDT

Is this a sort of typecasting? - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:36:33 PM EDT

It's a reference -NT - (Simon_Jester) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:00:50 PM EDT

Sort of - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:10:14 PM EDT

Interesting.... - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:58:41 PM EDT

The solution would have its own problems - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:27:50 PM EDT

<bow> thank you. -NT - (Simon_Jester) - Oct. 7, 2004, 11:14:47 PM EDT

THank you for stepping on this rake - (Arkadiy) - (33) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:20:48 PM EDT

He was overcomplicating it - (ben_tilly) - (32) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:30:04 PM EDT

Well, maybe - (tuberculosis) - (17) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:43:24 PM EDT

Agreed - (ben_tilly) - (16) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:12:17 PM EDT

Agree its a mistake - (tuberculosis) - (15) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:36:09 PM EDT

Same here. - (admin) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:45:32 PM EDT

Right - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:56:48 PM EDT

Shame about the inertia. Python's design is "least surprise" - (FuManChu) - (12) - Oct. 7, 2004, 10:02:43 PM EDT

When I started with Perl... - (ben_tilly) - (11) - Oct. 7, 2004, 10:53:12 PM EDT

On Perl 6 - (pwhysall) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2004, 01:53:55 AM EDT

Re: On Perl 6 - (Yendor) - Oct. 8, 2004, 08:37:56 AM EDT

I had a nice response to this typed up - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 12:54:37 PM EDT

Many thanks for that - (pwhysall) - Oct. 9, 2004, 02:53:04 AM EDT

We're having a little brown bag on Ruby - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Oct. 8, 2004, 12:46:50 PM EDT

Re: We're having a little brown bag on Ruby - (JimWeirich) - (3) - Oct. 11, 2004, 06:55:34 AM EDT

Shhh! Anonymous Todd works at some other... - (CRConrad) - Oct. 11, 2004, 07:36:30 AM EDT

I might have been there - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Oct. 11, 2004, 12:55:46 PM EDT

Re: I might have been there - (JimWeirich) - Oct. 11, 2004, 01:14:57 PM EDT

Re: strict -- have you seen pychecker? - (FuManChu) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 01:02:20 PM EDT

No I hadn't, thanks - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 8, 2004, 01:08:02 PM EDT

BTW Arkadiy, I'm still waiting for a response - (ben_tilly) - (13) - Oct. 8, 2004, 12:57:52 PM EDT

I am not saying it's shorter in C... - (Arkadiy) - (10) - Oct. 8, 2004, 03:22:09 PM EDT

And now for my real comment - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2004, 03:34:09 PM EDT

May be it's a hindsight thing - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 03:47:36 PM EDT

It could be many things - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 8, 2004, 06:13:45 PM EDT

I don't know - multimap - (Simon_Jester) - (6) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:22:32 AM EDT

Re: I don't know - multimap - (Arkadiy) - (5) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:17:47 PM EDT

Why the worry about efficiency? - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:25:52 PM EDT

I worry about efficiency - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:30:44 PM EDT

Ah - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:59:07 PM EDT

C vs Perl - efficiency - untrue for me - (broomberg) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:41:13 PM EDT

Point - but you may want to rebenchmark - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 9, 2004, 01:11:47 PM EDT

Here's a smalltalk version - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 06:16:21 PM EDT

Yes, think of a reference as a pointer - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 8, 2004, 06:43:04 PM EDT

UML as blinders - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Oct. 7, 2004, 12:04:16 PM EDT

Any language creates blinders - (jake123) - Oct. 7, 2004, 12:54:23 PM EDT

XML relational integrity? - (ChrisR) - (9) - Oct. 5, 2004, 03:11:45 PM EDT

So what you want - (Simon_Jester) - (8) - Oct. 6, 2004, 02:18:48 PM EDT

One man's data is another man's constraint - (ChrisR) - (7) - Oct. 6, 2004, 04:47:24 PM EDT

Why can't the importing DB enforce such rules? -NT - (tablizer) - (6) - Oct. 6, 2004, 10:32:01 PM EDT

It can. - (ChrisR) - (5) - Oct. 6, 2004, 11:26:09 PM EDT

WHY don't you want a DB on the client side? - (CRConrad) - (4) - Oct. 7, 2004, 04:10:42 AM EDT

From a non-programmer viewpoint - (pwhysall) - (3) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:37:30 AM EDT

Wrong. Depends on how you define your terms, and... - (CRConrad) - (2) - Oct. 7, 2004, 08:42:56 AM EDT

Well, I see your point... - (pwhysall) - Oct. 7, 2004, 08:50:39 AM EDT

Neither right or wrong...different paradigms - (Simon_Jester) - Oct. 7, 2004, 11:26:58 AM EDT

Mininum Convex Polygon around Points? - (JayMehaffey) - (16) - Oct. 5, 2004, 01:57:46 PM EDT

Are they always convex? - (FuManChu) - (7) - Oct. 5, 2004, 02:19:00 PM EDT

Convex Hull - (JayMehaffey) - (6) - Oct. 5, 2004, 02:55:00 PM EDT

Glad you said you found it - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 5, 2004, 06:20:11 PM EDT

You need an algorithms book. - (static) - (4) - Oct. 5, 2004, 11:42:53 PM EDT

NIST DADS - (ChrisR) - Oct. 5, 2004, 11:53:02 PM EDT

I have that one - (JayMehaffey) - (2) - Oct. 6, 2004, 12:31:33 AM EDT

Wierd - (altmann) - (1) - Oct. 6, 2004, 01:05:42 AM EDT

I have the C++ one, too. - (static) - Oct. 6, 2004, 01:46:21 AM EDT

Start with center of mass - (drewk) - Oct. 5, 2004, 02:45:15 PM EDT

Re: Mininum Convex Polygon around Points? - (deSitter) - (6) - Oct. 5, 2004, 11:56:47 PM EDT

Yep, that would be a formal statement - (JayMehaffey) - (5) - Oct. 6, 2004, 12:38:55 AM EDT

Re: Yep, that would be a formal statement - (deSitter) - (2) - Oct. 6, 2004, 08:48:25 AM EDT

If he doesn't remember highschool math... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Oct. 6, 2004, 11:53:16 AM EDT

He's Jay - he'll figure it out -NT - (deSitter) - Oct. 6, 2004, 01:06:37 PM EDT

You don't need to compute angles - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Oct. 6, 2004, 11:47:53 AM EDT

Actually ended up using vector math - (JayMehaffey) - Oct. 6, 2004, 12:02:29 PM EDT

C# sorting a list of strings - (broomberg) - (5) - Oct. 4, 2004, 08:23:04 AM EDT

something like... - (pwhysall) - Oct. 4, 2004, 10:24:42 AM EDT

Re: C# sorting a list of strings - (inthane-chan) - (3) - Oct. 4, 2004, 11:56:43 AM EDT

Here's what I ended up with - (broomberg) - (2) - Oct. 4, 2004, 04:19:28 PM EDT

Did you look at Array.Sort() ? - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Oct. 4, 2004, 04:40:11 PM EDT

I did now - (broomberg) - Oct. 4, 2004, 05:26:17 PM EDT

Subversion help? - (FuManChu) - (2) - Sept. 22, 2004, 06:11:57 PM EDT

Re: Subversion help? - (pwhysall) - Sept. 22, 2004, 06:15:13 PM EDT

Never mind. Ask on the mailing list and ye shall receive. - (FuManChu) - Sept. 22, 2004, 07:13:11 PM EDT

Lines of code in a Java method ... - (bluke) - (73) - Sept. 22, 2004, 10:23:14 AM EDT

I don't know of studies of this with OO languages - (ben_tilly) - (64) - Sept. 22, 2004, 10:48:22 AM EDT

I remember that when I read Code Complete ... - (bluke) - (60) - Sept. 22, 2004, 10:59:17 AM EDT

Hence my speculation about how and why to change that for OO -NT - (ben_tilly) - (59) - Sept. 22, 2004, 11:30:34 AM EDT

In OO code many of the decision points ... - (bluke) - (58) - Sept. 22, 2004, 11:36:37 AM EDT

Quibble - (ben_tilly) - (57) - Sept. 22, 2004, 08:04:26 PM EDT

Okay, thought it was just me - (drewk) - (46) - Sept. 22, 2004, 08:59:44 PM EDT

Not really missing anything. - (FuManChu) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2004, 09:34:24 PM EDT

VMT in C++ - (Arkadiy) - Sept. 23, 2004, 09:56:51 AM EDT

The superclass decides nothing - (ben_tilly) - (43) - Sept. 22, 2004, 09:55:16 PM EDT

Once again, it's the terminology - (drewk) - (40) - Sept. 22, 2004, 10:20:23 PM EDT

That's not multiple inheritance - (ben_tilly) - Sept. 23, 2004, 12:05:47 AM EDT

Ramble ramble ramble - (FuManChu) - Sept. 23, 2004, 02:46:35 AM EDT

Yes and No - (bluke) - (37) - Sept. 23, 2004, 03:57:24 AM EDT

I mis-read Ben - (drewk) - (36) - Sept. 23, 2004, 10:07:50 AM EDT

You misunderstand interfaces and factories ... - (bluke) - (2) - Sept. 23, 2004, 11:20:06 AM EDT

Drew is right. - (FuManChu) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2004, 12:38:44 PM EDT

My point was - (bluke) - Sept. 23, 2004, 05:00:13 PM EDT

I'm actually on the fence - (ben_tilly) - (32) - Sept. 23, 2004, 10:55:24 AM EDT

That is with implementation inheritance - (bluke) - (2) - Sept. 23, 2004, 11:00:41 AM EDT

That is both with interface and implementation inheritance - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2004, 11:08:29 AM EDT

With interfaces it is less of a concern - (bluke) - Sept. 23, 2004, 11:17:39 AM EDT

Hadn't heard of LSP - (drewk) - (28) - Sept. 23, 2004, 12:36:16 PM EDT

Huh? - (tuberculosis) - (27) - Sept. 23, 2004, 01:23:55 PM EDT

Don't get all religious on me - (drewk) - (26) - Sept. 24, 2004, 12:30:58 AM EDT

Going to disagreed on this point - (JimWeirich) - (1) - Sept. 24, 2004, 01:01:56 AM EDT

agreed - (deSitter) - Sept. 24, 2004, 04:01:49 AM EDT

Re: Don't get all religious on me - (JimWeirich) - (23) - Sept. 24, 2004, 01:11:21 AM EDT

And that's the key point - (ben_tilly) - (22) - Sept. 24, 2004, 10:34:42 AM EDT

Someday I've got to take a class - (drewk) - (21) - Sept. 24, 2004, 03:18:39 PM EDT

..when I get my inheritance -NT - (deSitter) - Sept. 24, 2004, 03:54:21 PM EDT

Yup. No generic substitute for that. -NT - (FuManChu) - Sept. 24, 2004, 04:00:08 PM EDT

Good idea in this instance. - (admin) - (14) - Sept. 24, 2004, 04:20:45 PM EDT

I object; it's part of a general pattern -NT - (FuManChu) - (13) - Sept. 24, 2004, 05:44:34 PM EDT

Ah, but I have a cunning strategy... - (admin) - (12) - Sept. 24, 2004, 06:17:48 PM EDT

Bah. Overridden. - (FuManChu) - (1) - Sept. 24, 2004, 06:26:44 PM EDT

Overloaded your capacity for understanding, eh? - (admin) - Sept. 24, 2004, 06:31:13 PM EDT

Ashton, is that you? - (Another Scott) - (7) - Sept. 24, 2004, 06:29:07 PM EDT

Better than the treasurer... - (admin) - (6) - Sept. 24, 2004, 06:33:02 PM EDT

He'll have to wait - I'm collecting garbage - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Sept. 24, 2004, 06:59:43 PM EDT

Coincidentally, there's a fellow around here named Mark... - (admin) - (4) - Sept. 24, 2004, 08:48:18 PM EDT

I'm sorry but that pointer is dangling - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Sept. 24, 2004, 09:11:32 PM EDT

Some people have too much time on their hands... - (static) - (2) - Sept. 25, 2004, 06:26:13 AM EDT

You're a real LALRf riot. - (admin) - (1) - Sept. 25, 2004, 09:35:21 AM EDT

So you sed. Personally, I think it's a Perl in the Blinker. -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 25, 2004, 10:12:54 AM EDT

Uuuuuhh... - (jb4) - Sept. 24, 2004, 07:27:18 PM EDT

The cun.. er, clever linguist suffers Code 715 - (Ashton) - Sept. 25, 2004, 03:08:51 AM EDT

Or an interface - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Sept. 24, 2004, 10:56:23 PM EDT

Yes, and that's what we do - (drewk) - (1) - Sept. 25, 2004, 10:04:33 PM EDT

Language doesn't need to support abstract class - (tuberculosis) - Sept. 25, 2004, 11:47:26 PM EDT

That was not what I meant - (bluke) - Sept. 26, 2004, 02:30:26 AM EDT

It's a decision, but it's abstracted out - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2004, 10:11:04 AM EDT

Yes, but I don't care how it works - (bluke) - Sept. 23, 2004, 10:39:02 AM EDT

DP's are compressed in OO - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Sept. 23, 2004, 01:09:43 PM EDT

Polymorphism relies on a lie - (tablizer) - (5) - Oct. 7, 2004, 11:07:36 PM EDT

Re: Polymorphism relies on a lie - (admin) - (2) - Oct. 7, 2004, 11:23:58 PM EDT

Mostly, it is - (tablizer) - (1) - Oct. 13, 2004, 01:10:40 PM EDT

To the naive programmer, perhaps. - (admin) - Oct. 13, 2004, 01:57:31 PM EDT

Something tells me you'd like prototype OO as a midground -NT - (FuManChu) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 01:56:34 AM EDT

*No-one* can eat that much crow -NT - (pwhysall) - Oct. 8, 2004, 01:57:41 AM EDT

We had a big fight over case-vs-poly a few years ago -NT - (tablizer) - (2) - Sept. 27, 2004, 11:34:24 PM EDT

Charley Rock Tree - (ChrisR) - (1) - Sept. 27, 2004, 11:41:52 PM EDT

Ha! :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 27, 2004, 11:45:00 PM EDT

Re: I don't know of studies of this with OO languages - (deSitter) - Sept. 22, 2004, 02:44:15 PM EDT

Interesting comment by Ron Jeffries - (bluke) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2004, 08:41:04 AM EDT

Re: Interesting comment by Ron Jeffries - (deSitter) - Sept. 23, 2004, 09:36:49 AM EDT

to minimize the damage that these kind of developers wreak - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2004, 01:04:29 PM EDT

Unfortunately I can't - (bluke) - Sept. 22, 2004, 01:17:18 PM EDT

4. -NT - (FuManChu) - (2) - Sept. 22, 2004, 02:30:58 PM EDT

In smalltalk that might be realistic - (bluke) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2004, 04:02:32 AM EDT

That was my point. Glad someone got the joke :) -NT - (FuManChu) - Sept. 23, 2004, 12:40:30 PM EDT

1/2 page - (tuberculosis) - Sept. 23, 2004, 01:18:44 PM EDT

Re: Lines of code in a Java method ... - (dshellman) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2004, 01:43:04 PM EDT

Agree - (bluke) - Sept. 26, 2004, 02:32:18 AM EDT

Java graphics manipulation - (ChrisR) - (3) - Sept. 17, 2004, 05:25:03 PM EDT

Re: Java graphics manipulation - (admin) - (2) - Sept. 17, 2004, 05:35:57 PM EDT

Will look into. - (ChrisR) - Sept. 17, 2004, 05:50:44 PM EDT

Cheated. - (ChrisR) - Sept. 20, 2004, 11:35:23 AM EDT

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