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Post #178,288

by admin

10/7/04 4:42:49 PM

Bleh.

Perl never seems to do what I expect it to do...

Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."

Post #178,298

by ben_tilly

10/7/04 5:22:57 PM

That's because you approached it wrong

I'm serious.

Perl was designed as a "better shell, with a few things integrated in" and all of the "BTW its now a real programming language" stuff was later shoehorned on top. So if you use it as a "better shell, with a few things integrated in", it tends to work out well and it doesn't take you long to train your intuition about what Perl's "grammar" looks like. And once your intuition is trained by that, the real programming stuff fits in surprisingly well.

But if you approach it as a real programming language right off of the bat, you're going to keep tripping over the features that were prominently placed because that's what it has been optimized for.

Cheers,
Ben

I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

Post #178,345

by deSitter

10/7/04 9:08:18 PM

I'm gradually warming up to it

Right now I'm doing a lot of shell and wish I could use Perl for some things. Will wonders never cease?

-drl

Post #178,386

by static

10/8/04 2:17:42 AM

That should be in the man page.

Or something.

Scott's comment echoes my own problem(s) with Perl and your reply is extremely astute.

Wade, who has several times made the mistake of approaching Perl incorrectly.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed

Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

Perl frustrations - (tuberculosis) - (45) - Oct. 7, 2004, 03:55:53 PM EDT

Simple solution - (ben_tilly) - (10) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:31:13 PM EDT

Bleh. - (admin) - (3) - Oct. 7, 2004, 04:42:49 PM EDT

That's because you approached it wrong - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:22:57 PM EDT

I'm gradually warming up to it - (deSitter) - Oct. 7, 2004, 09:08:18 PM EDT

That should be in the man page. - (static) - Oct. 8, 2004, 02:17:42 AM EDT

Is this a sort of typecasting? - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:36:33 PM EDT

It's a reference -NT - (Simon_Jester) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:00:50 PM EDT

Sort of - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:10:14 PM EDT

Interesting.... - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:58:41 PM EDT

The solution would have its own problems - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:27:50 PM EDT

<bow> thank you. -NT - (Simon_Jester) - Oct. 7, 2004, 11:14:47 PM EDT

THank you for stepping on this rake - (Arkadiy) - (33) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:20:48 PM EDT

He was overcomplicating it - (ben_tilly) - (32) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:30:04 PM EDT

Well, maybe - (tuberculosis) - (17) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:43:24 PM EDT

Agreed - (ben_tilly) - (16) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:12:17 PM EDT

Agree its a mistake - (tuberculosis) - (15) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:36:09 PM EDT

Same here. - (admin) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:45:32 PM EDT

Right - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:56:48 PM EDT

Shame about the inertia. Python's design is "least surprise" - (FuManChu) - (12) - Oct. 7, 2004, 10:02:43 PM EDT

When I started with Perl... - (ben_tilly) - (11) - Oct. 7, 2004, 10:53:12 PM EDT

On Perl 6 - (pwhysall) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2004, 01:53:55 AM EDT

Re: On Perl 6 - (Yendor) - Oct. 8, 2004, 08:37:56 AM EDT

I had a nice response to this typed up - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 12:54:37 PM EDT

Many thanks for that - (pwhysall) - Oct. 9, 2004, 02:53:04 AM EDT

We're having a little brown bag on Ruby - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Oct. 8, 2004, 12:46:50 PM EDT

Re: We're having a little brown bag on Ruby - (JimWeirich) - (3) - Oct. 11, 2004, 06:55:34 AM EDT

Shhh! Anonymous Todd works at some other... - (CRConrad) - Oct. 11, 2004, 07:36:30 AM EDT

I might have been there - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Oct. 11, 2004, 12:55:46 PM EDT

Re: I might have been there - (JimWeirich) - Oct. 11, 2004, 01:14:57 PM EDT

Re: strict -- have you seen pychecker? - (FuManChu) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 01:02:20 PM EDT

No I hadn't, thanks - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 8, 2004, 01:08:02 PM EDT

BTW Arkadiy, I'm still waiting for a response - (ben_tilly) - (13) - Oct. 8, 2004, 12:57:52 PM EDT

I am not saying it's shorter in C... - (Arkadiy) - (10) - Oct. 8, 2004, 03:22:09 PM EDT

And now for my real comment - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2004, 03:34:09 PM EDT

May be it's a hindsight thing - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 03:47:36 PM EDT

It could be many things - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 8, 2004, 06:13:45 PM EDT

I don't know - multimap - (Simon_Jester) - (6) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:22:32 AM EDT

Re: I don't know - multimap - (Arkadiy) - (5) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:17:47 PM EDT

Why the worry about efficiency? - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:25:52 PM EDT

I worry about efficiency - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:30:44 PM EDT

Ah - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:59:07 PM EDT

C vs Perl - efficiency - untrue for me - (broomberg) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:41:13 PM EDT

Point - but you may want to rebenchmark - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 9, 2004, 01:11:47 PM EDT

Here's a smalltalk version - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 06:16:21 PM EDT

Yes, think of a reference as a pointer - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 8, 2004, 06:43:04 PM EDT

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