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Post #178,771

by tuberculosis

10/11/04 12:55:46 PM

I might have been there

I was "the" guy who raised his hand when asked if anyone knew anything about WebObjects.

I thought the talk was rather good (in that Thomas is definitely a "fun" speaker) from an introduction perspective. The bogging down in what is and is not "strong typing" from "those who do not get it" was a bit of a drag. I thought Thomas handled it well by simply caving on the point and moving on.

I would have liked to see more rails examples. That's the kind of development we do so that would have been the most interesting to our crowd.

That was lovely cheese.

--Wallace, The Wrong Trousers

Post #178,774

by JimWeirich

10/11/04 1:14:57 PM

Re: I might have been there

Dave certainly is ranked near the top of my list of speakers to listen to.

I would have liked to see more rails examples. That's the kind of development we do so that would have been the most interesting to our crowd.

I've done one simple Rails app (demo at [link|http://onestepback.org:3030|http://onestepback.org:3030]). It took a couple of evenings to throw together. Source code is in the CVS repository at [link|http://rubyforge.org/projects/storycards|http://rubyforge.org/projects/storycards] (however, keep in mind this was my first Rails project and I certainly did some things the hard way).

Rails is certainly getting a lot of attention right now. David Heinemeier Hansson's talk at [link|http://www.rubycentral.org/conference/|RubyConf(2004)] was one of the most anticipated talk of the conference.

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Perl frustrations - (tuberculosis) - (45) - Oct. 7, 2004, 03:55:53 PM EDT

Simple solution - (ben_tilly) - (10) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:31:13 PM EDT

Bleh. - (admin) - (3) - Oct. 7, 2004, 04:42:49 PM EDT

That's because you approached it wrong - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:22:57 PM EDT

I'm gradually warming up to it - (deSitter) - Oct. 7, 2004, 09:08:18 PM EDT

That should be in the man page. - (static) - Oct. 8, 2004, 02:17:42 AM EDT

Is this a sort of typecasting? - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:36:33 PM EDT

It's a reference -NT - (Simon_Jester) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:00:50 PM EDT

Sort of - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:10:14 PM EDT

Interesting.... - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:58:41 PM EDT

The solution would have its own problems - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:27:50 PM EDT

<bow> thank you. -NT - (Simon_Jester) - Oct. 7, 2004, 11:14:47 PM EDT

THank you for stepping on this rake - (Arkadiy) - (33) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:20:48 PM EDT

He was overcomplicating it - (ben_tilly) - (32) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:30:04 PM EDT

Well, maybe - (tuberculosis) - (17) - Oct. 7, 2004, 05:43:24 PM EDT

Agreed - (ben_tilly) - (16) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:12:17 PM EDT

Agree its a mistake - (tuberculosis) - (15) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:36:09 PM EDT

Same here. - (admin) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:45:32 PM EDT

Right - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:56:48 PM EDT

Shame about the inertia. Python's design is "least surprise" - (FuManChu) - (12) - Oct. 7, 2004, 10:02:43 PM EDT

When I started with Perl... - (ben_tilly) - (11) - Oct. 7, 2004, 10:53:12 PM EDT

On Perl 6 - (pwhysall) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2004, 01:53:55 AM EDT

Re: On Perl 6 - (Yendor) - Oct. 8, 2004, 08:37:56 AM EDT

I had a nice response to this typed up - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 12:54:37 PM EDT

Many thanks for that - (pwhysall) - Oct. 9, 2004, 02:53:04 AM EDT

We're having a little brown bag on Ruby - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Oct. 8, 2004, 12:46:50 PM EDT

Re: We're having a little brown bag on Ruby - (JimWeirich) - (3) - Oct. 11, 2004, 06:55:34 AM EDT

Shhh! Anonymous Todd works at some other... - (CRConrad) - Oct. 11, 2004, 07:36:30 AM EDT

I might have been there - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Oct. 11, 2004, 12:55:46 PM EDT

Re: I might have been there - (JimWeirich) - Oct. 11, 2004, 01:14:57 PM EDT

Re: strict -- have you seen pychecker? - (FuManChu) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 01:02:20 PM EDT

No I hadn't, thanks - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 8, 2004, 01:08:02 PM EDT

BTW Arkadiy, I'm still waiting for a response - (ben_tilly) - (13) - Oct. 8, 2004, 12:57:52 PM EDT

I am not saying it's shorter in C... - (Arkadiy) - (10) - Oct. 8, 2004, 03:22:09 PM EDT

And now for my real comment - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2004, 03:34:09 PM EDT

May be it's a hindsight thing - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 03:47:36 PM EDT

It could be many things - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 8, 2004, 06:13:45 PM EDT

I don't know - multimap - (Simon_Jester) - (6) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:22:32 AM EDT

Re: I don't know - multimap - (Arkadiy) - (5) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:17:47 PM EDT

Why the worry about efficiency? - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:25:52 PM EDT

I worry about efficiency - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:30:44 PM EDT

Ah - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:59:07 PM EDT

C vs Perl - efficiency - untrue for me - (broomberg) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2004, 12:41:13 PM EDT

Point - but you may want to rebenchmark - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 9, 2004, 01:11:47 PM EDT

Here's a smalltalk version - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 06:16:21 PM EDT

Yes, think of a reference as a pointer - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 8, 2004, 06:43:04 PM EDT

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