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     Unbelievable! - (Arkadiy) - (12)
         We wouldn't want programming to become too easy. -NT - (ChrisR)
         How? - (admin) - (10)
             OK, not EXACTLY Collection - (Arkadiy) - (9)
                 Oh, got it. - (admin) - (8)
                     Oh yes, lets make another class - (tuberculosis) - (7)
                         ICRPD (new thread) - (Arkadiy)
                         As I said: bleh. -NT - (admin)
                         If I ever have to program Java... - (static) - (4)
                             All languages have warts. - (admin) - (3)
                                 Some are worse - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                     Tell us how you really feel about Java. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                         Oh, its OK - (tuberculosis)
     How do I control file access in Java? - (drewk) - (14)
         What user is Tomcat running as? - (admin) - (8)
             Running as tomcat4 -NT - (drewk) - (7)
                 Re: Running as tomcat4 - (admin) - (6)
                     I chmod-ed 777 to make sure - (drewk) - (5)
                         What is this "policytool" of which you speak? - (admin) - (4)
                             Trying now -- cool, seems to work[1] - (drewk) - (3)
                                 If it's your server... - (admin) - (2)
                                     That's what the java secutiry docs said - (drewk) - (1)
                                         If you were doing hosting, you'd go broke - (ben_tilly)
         System.exec("chmod " + options + " " + filename)? -NT - (tuberculosis) - (4)
             Yes, that what I have in mind now - (Arkadiy) - (3)
                 Wasn't that - (drewk) - (2)
                     You're talking about JVM's access to external files - (Arkadiy)
                     You're only now starting to wonder? - (ben_tilly)
     Verity on VB - (pwhysall) - (3)
         ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly)
         From what I recall of my VB days: It's accurate. -NT - (Meerkat)
         Wicked -NT - (tuberculosis)
     The joys of .Net - (johnu) - (53)
         Ick. - (admin) - (18)
             It warn't me - (jb4)
             Here != IWETHEY in this case. -NT - (admin)
             So what's a good java IDE to use? - (drewk) - (15)
                 Intellij IDEA - (admin) - (14)
                     While learning, free is good - (drewk) - (10)
                         Checkout Eclipse - (johnu) - (9)
                             I despise that program - (tuberculosis) - (6)
                                 I'm no psychic... - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                     You ought to work in the circus -NT - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                         I come here. Next best thing. -NT - (pwhysall)
                                     I think IDEA is good - I use it when I do Java - (tuberculosis)
                                 ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly)
                                 It's all relative - (johnu)
                             I am such a lUser - (drewk) - (1)
                                 Look at the pretty COLORS! -NT - (jb4)
                     Concur - (jb4) - (2)
                         As a rabid, frothing Emacs user - (admin)
                         Another vote for Intellij - (bluke)
         Listeners - (warmachine) - (1)
             Re: Listeners - (johnu)
         Crap and Double Crap -NT - (tuberculosis) - (10)
             Interesting thing is... - (johnu) - (9)
                 Umm... Squeak? -NT - (folkert) - (1)
                     Re: Umm... "up to date Windows UIs" -NT - (altmann)
                 Looked at Dolphin? - (tuberculosis)
                 Going farther afield - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                     You lose a lot of power though - (tuberculosis) - (4)
                         Re: You lose a lot of power though - (JimWeirich) - (3)
                             Is the parser written in Ruby? - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                 Just like C# and .Net - (mmoffitt)
                                 Re: Is the parser written in Ruby? - (JimWeirich)
         #3 will be possible in C# 2.0 - (altmann) - (1)
             But it's gonna be great! -NT - (mmoffitt)
         C# 2.0 - (johnu) - (17)
             Strong typing bites itself in the gonads once again - (FuManChu) - (2)
                 Any production quality dynamic languages for .NET yet - (johnu) - (1)
                     Not that I've seen. - (FuManChu)
             Objects to the rescue - (johnu) - (13)
                 Sounds reasonable - (FuManChu) - (6)
                     Wibble, wibble... - (CRConrad) - (4)
                         Semantics - (FuManChu) - (3)
                             A) Almost everything is, when you get down to it; and B)... - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                 English is simply too flexible to be used well. - (FuManChu) - (1)
                                     Yeah, I know - but it makes for a funny contrast... - (CRConrad)
                     Re: Sounds reasonable - (johnu)
                 Same old bullshit. - (CRConrad) - (5)
                     I second that -NT - (warmachine)
                     Re: Same old bullshit. - (johnu) - (3)
                         And WTF does that have to do with anything? - (CRConrad) - (2)
                             Re: And WTF does that have to do with anything? - (johnu) - (1)
                                 OK, so what you originally said was only half the story. - (CRConrad)
         OT: Inner/outer classes. (new thread) - (pwhysall)
     Relative popularity of programming languages - (ben_tilly) - (29)
         Oooh what an awful website - (tuberculosis)
         Woohoo! - (imric) - (17)
             RPG cycles in and out. :-) -NT - (ChrisR) - (16)
                 *choke* - (imric) - (15)
                     Time for OO RPG? - (ChrisR) - (14)
                         Re: Time for OO RPG? - (jake123) - (8)
                             It's people like you that make.... - (ChrisR) - (7)
                                 Bah, we were here first. :) -NT - (inthane-chan) - (5)
                                     RPG was invented when computers were still considered... - (ChrisR) - (4)
                                         CF: Grognard. - (inthane-chan) - (3)
                                             Jacquard loom, perhaps? - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                 D'ja miss the bit about 'sojer of the Old Guard'/"Grumbler"? -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                     Moot I guess - seems only wargamers *use* the word at all. -NT - (Ashton)
                                 Glad to be of service - doing you right by doing you in -NT - (jake123)
                         Not your father's RPG - (johnu) - (4)
                             Oh, the horror - (ChrisR) - (3)
                                 The cycle is what makes RPG so good! - (imric) - (2)
                                     Well, yeah but there are some really strange... - (ChrisR) - (1)
                                         The display file IS a Primary (when you do it right) - (imric)
         Big change in Mar '04? - (FuManChu)
         It's ripe for a bout of iwethey one-up-person-ship - (Meerkat) - (7)
             With or without reference materials? -NT - (admin)
             Re: It's ripe for a bout of iwethey one-up-person-ship - (JayMehaffey)
             Bits and pieces - (broomberg) - (3)
                 Move Delphi/Kylix up one category; maybe two. Seriously. -NT - (CRConrad) - (2)
                     I accept that - (broomberg) - (1)
                         You have Pascal (syntax), Java (OO) and VB (IDE). Sum=Delphi -NT - (CRConrad)
             I know VMS DCL. - (pwhysall)
         www.godchecker.com - (pwhysall)
     When does a java constructor execute? - (drewk) - (56)
         When you say 'new' - (tuberculosis) - (41)
             Word from the IGM on ziwt says ... I was wrong - (drewk) - (40)
                 I think you've got it - (tuberculosis) - (11)
                     Would be nice to say that in the docs - (drewk) - (10)
                         That's missing for most languages - (tuberculosis) - (6)
                             Like Drew, I'm trying to teach myself Java. - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                 "Effective Java" => oxymoron :-) -NT - (ChrisR) - (1)
                                     "Microsoft Works" -NT - (drewk)
                                 What would he know about it? - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                     That's an oddly visceral response. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                         Symptomatic of general J-headed attitude - (tuberculosis)
                         Re: Would be nice to say that in the docs - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                             That's it exactly - (drewk)
                             I'd give up on Morphic - (tuberculosis)
                 Now I'm getting frustrated (again) - (drewk) - (27)
                     Re: Now I'm getting frustrated (again) - (admin) - (1)
                         Badness - (jake123)
                     Servlets and business logic - (warmachine) - (22)
                         So is this example stupid? - (drewk) - (21)
                             Hell, yeah! - (warmachine) - (1)
                                 Re: Hell, yeah! - (admin)
                             Way stupid - (tuberculosis) - (18)
                                 Trying to learn The Right Way[tm] - (drewk) - (17)
                                     No such way - (tuberculosis) - (16)
                                         I need to write a small app like it's a big one - (drewk) - (15)
                                             Huh, most people are trying to figure out the opposite - (tuberculosis)
                                             This is classic - (ben_tilly) - (13)
                                                 Um, ... - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                     No. Exceptions exist. But generally, yes. -NT - (ben_tilly)
                                                 Not exactly - (drewk) - (10)
                                                     Good luck - (ben_tilly)
                                                     Ah - so that's what you're trying to do - (tuberculosis) - (8)
                                                         Time to hit the library - (drewk) - (3)
                                                             That's an old interview. - (admin) - (2)
                                                                 Gold mine - (drewk) - (1)
                                                                     Moochos grassy arse -NT - (pwhysall)
                                                         Several copies of Rod's book around here. - (admin) - (3)
                                                             Q on book. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                 Rod's book isn't for administrators - (admin) - (1)
                                                                     Ok, thanks. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                     That's not what they are saying - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                         Servlets and page scoped variables. - (warmachine)
         Re: When does a java constructor execute? - (dshellman) - (13)
             There is a certain amount of value... - (admin) - (1)
                 I already know that - (drewk)
             s/Tomcat/Jetty/ - (tuberculosis) - (10)
                 Based on what? - (admin) - (9)
                     Personal experience - (tuberculosis) - (8)
                         A couple of years back, sure. - (admin) - (7)
                             Oh Tomcat 5 - (tuberculosis) - (6)
                                 Reminds me of Spolsky's piece on Netscape - (FuManChu) - (5)
                                     And I remember disagreeing with it the first time - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                         Makes sense to me. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                             Know what you mean - (tuberculosis)
                                         It's a threshold thing - (ChrisR) - (1)
                                             And that point is completely true - (ben_tilly)
     What makes a "real" programming language? - (drewk) - (20)
         I think he's deluding himself. - (static) - (3)
             No doubt - (drewk) - (2)
                 An anti-example. - (static)
                 There are plenty - (jake123)
         You can do that in C# -NT - (altmann) - (1)
             Perfect :-D -NT - (drewk)
         That programmer is an idiot - (ben_tilly)
         You can do that in just about any modern language. - (admin) - (1)
             No invasion fleet, please! Just nuke it from orbit. -NT - (CRConrad)
         Fuel on the fire - (FuManChu) - (6)
             Hey, that's neat! - (static) - (2)
                 It does make extensibility a snap. - (FuManChu) - (1)
                     He was very much in love with doing things "correctly". - (static)
             Seems surprisingly like javascript - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                 I kinda like JavaScript. - (static)
                 Yup; the name binding and scopes are very similar -NT - (FuManChu)
         Well, since C often does "declaration only at first use"... - (CRConrad)
         Counter example - (tuberculosis) - (1)
             Great suggestion; seconded! -NT - (CRConrad)
         Sounds like a language holywar brewing over there - (tablizer)
     Database is excellent IPC mechanism - (tuberculosis) - (2)
         It's almost the *only* IPC mechanism for PHP ;) - (FuManChu)
         Never thought of it that way... - (pwhysall)
     Here's one more for Bryce: - (CRConrad) - (28)
         CRC error. Too late... already been pointed out. - (folkert)
         Oh yeah - there's a gem - (tuberculosis) - (13)
             Yeah, that's the one that struck me the most too. Sheesh! -NT - (CRConrad)
             That guy needs to be shot. - (static) - (3)
                 factoring frowned on - (tablizer) - (2)
                     You might find this interesting... (new thread) - (Another Scott)
                     ICLRPD (new thread) - (jb4)
             Divide-and-Conquer - (tablizer) - (3)
                 ! - (pwhysall) - (2)
                     For machines, no. For humans, yes. -NT - (tablizer)
                     Database is excellent IPC mechanism (new thread) - (tuberculosis)
             I e-mailed him about the article - (bluke) - (3)
                 That tells me he has *never* worked with cut-n-paste. -NT - (static) - (2)
                     Sure he did - (broomberg) - (1)
                         Never mind - (broomberg)
         Damn! - (tablizer) - (6)
             Go after him. - (admin) - (4)
                 I sent him email asking for citation to be added -NT - (tablizer) - (3)
                     Bah. - (admin) - (2)
                         There's always time to escalate. - (imric) - (1)
                             Update: he denies it - (tablizer)
             What HE said ^^^ -NT - (imric)
         32 - (systems) - (3)
             OT: Tried to locate his books at Amazon - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                 I found 2 of them - (bluke) - (1)
                     I wanted to find all of them... -NT - (Arkadiy)
         Here is his bio - (bluke)
         According to the author - (bluke)
     Seaside gets a new website - (tuberculosis) - (1)
         Woo! and Yay! and Stuff! - (folkert)
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Well, the place was crowded. We were packed in like sardines. They were all there to listen to the Big Band sounds of Tommy Dorsal. What sole! Tommy was rocking the place with a very popular tuna: "Sal-mon Chanted Evening," and the stage was surrounded by screaming groupers; probably there to see the bass player.
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