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     Verity on VB - (pwhysall) - (3)
         ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly)
         From what I recall of my VB days: It's accurate. -NT - (Meerkat)
         Wicked -NT - (tuberculosis)
     The joys of .Net - (johnu) - (53)
         Ick. - (admin) - (18)
             It warn't me - (jb4)
             Here != IWETHEY in this case. -NT - (admin)
             So what's a good java IDE to use? - (drewk) - (15)
                 Intellij IDEA - (admin) - (14)
                     While learning, free is good - (drewk) - (10)
                         Checkout Eclipse - (johnu) - (9)
                             I despise that program - (tuberculosis) - (6)
                                 I'm no psychic... - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                     You ought to work in the circus -NT - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                         I come here. Next best thing. -NT - (pwhysall)
                                     I think IDEA is good - I use it when I do Java - (tuberculosis)
                                 ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly)
                                 It's all relative - (johnu)
                             I am such a lUser - (drewk) - (1)
                                 Look at the pretty COLORS! -NT - (jb4)
                     Concur - (jb4) - (2)
                         As a rabid, frothing Emacs user - (admin)
                         Another vote for Intellij - (bluke)
         Listeners - (warmachine) - (1)
             Re: Listeners - (johnu)
         Crap and Double Crap -NT - (tuberculosis) - (10)
             Interesting thing is... - (johnu) - (9)
                 Umm... Squeak? -NT - (folkert) - (1)
                     Re: Umm... "up to date Windows UIs" -NT - (altmann)
                 Looked at Dolphin? - (tuberculosis)
                 Going farther afield - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                     You lose a lot of power though - (tuberculosis) - (4)
                         Re: You lose a lot of power though - (JimWeirich) - (3)
                             Is the parser written in Ruby? - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                 Just like C# and .Net - (mmoffitt)
                                 Re: Is the parser written in Ruby? - (JimWeirich)
         #3 will be possible in C# 2.0 - (altmann) - (1)
             But it's gonna be great! -NT - (mmoffitt)
         C# 2.0 - (johnu) - (17)
             Strong typing bites itself in the gonads once again - (FuManChu) - (2)
                 Any production quality dynamic languages for .NET yet - (johnu) - (1)
                     Not that I've seen. - (FuManChu)
             Objects to the rescue - (johnu) - (13)
                 Sounds reasonable - (FuManChu) - (6)
                     Wibble, wibble... - (CRConrad) - (4)
                         Semantics - (FuManChu) - (3)
                             A) Almost everything is, when you get down to it; and B)... - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                 English is simply too flexible to be used well. - (FuManChu) - (1)
                                     Yeah, I know - but it makes for a funny contrast... - (CRConrad)
                     Re: Sounds reasonable - (johnu)
                 Same old bullshit. - (CRConrad) - (5)
                     I second that -NT - (warmachine)
                     Re: Same old bullshit. - (johnu) - (3)
                         And WTF does that have to do with anything? - (CRConrad) - (2)
                             Re: And WTF does that have to do with anything? - (johnu) - (1)
                                 OK, so what you originally said was only half the story. - (CRConrad)
         OT: Inner/outer classes. (new thread) - (pwhysall)
     Relative popularity of programming languages - (ben_tilly) - (29)
         Oooh what an awful website - (tuberculosis)
         Woohoo! - (imric) - (17)
             RPG cycles in and out. :-) -NT - (ChrisR) - (16)
                 *choke* - (imric) - (15)
                     Time for OO RPG? - (ChrisR) - (14)
                         Re: Time for OO RPG? - (jake123) - (8)
                             It's people like you that make.... - (ChrisR) - (7)
                                 Bah, we were here first. :) -NT - (inthane-chan) - (5)
                                     RPG was invented when computers were still considered... - (ChrisR) - (4)
                                         CF: Grognard. - (inthane-chan) - (3)
                                             Jacquard loom, perhaps? - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                 D'ja miss the bit about 'sojer of the Old Guard'/"Grumbler"? -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                     Moot I guess - seems only wargamers *use* the word at all. -NT - (Ashton)
                                 Glad to be of service - doing you right by doing you in -NT - (jake123)
                         Not your father's RPG - (johnu) - (4)
                             Oh, the horror - (ChrisR) - (3)
                                 The cycle is what makes RPG so good! - (imric) - (2)
                                     Well, yeah but there are some really strange... - (ChrisR) - (1)
                                         The display file IS a Primary (when you do it right) - (imric)
         Big change in Mar '04? - (FuManChu)
         It's ripe for a bout of iwethey one-up-person-ship - (Meerkat) - (7)
             With or without reference materials? -NT - (admin)
             Re: It's ripe for a bout of iwethey one-up-person-ship - (JayMehaffey)
             Bits and pieces - (broomberg) - (3)
                 Move Delphi/Kylix up one category; maybe two. Seriously. -NT - (CRConrad) - (2)
                     I accept that - (broomberg) - (1)
                         You have Pascal (syntax), Java (OO) and VB (IDE). Sum=Delphi -NT - (CRConrad)
             I know VMS DCL. - (pwhysall)
         www.godchecker.com - (pwhysall)
     When does a java constructor execute? - (drewk) - (56)
         When you say 'new' - (tuberculosis) - (41)
             Word from the IGM on ziwt says ... I was wrong - (drewk) - (40)
                 I think you've got it - (tuberculosis) - (11)
                     Would be nice to say that in the docs - (drewk) - (10)
                         That's missing for most languages - (tuberculosis) - (6)
                             Like Drew, I'm trying to teach myself Java. - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                 "Effective Java" => oxymoron :-) -NT - (ChrisR) - (1)
                                     "Microsoft Works" -NT - (drewk)
                                 What would he know about it? - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                     That's an oddly visceral response. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                         Symptomatic of general J-headed attitude - (tuberculosis)
                         Re: Would be nice to say that in the docs - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                             That's it exactly - (drewk)
                             I'd give up on Morphic - (tuberculosis)
                 Now I'm getting frustrated (again) - (drewk) - (27)
                     Re: Now I'm getting frustrated (again) - (admin) - (1)
                         Badness - (jake123)
                     Servlets and business logic - (warmachine) - (22)
                         So is this example stupid? - (drewk) - (21)
                             Hell, yeah! - (warmachine) - (1)
                                 Re: Hell, yeah! - (admin)
                             Way stupid - (tuberculosis) - (18)
                                 Trying to learn The Right Way[tm] - (drewk) - (17)
                                     No such way - (tuberculosis) - (16)
                                         I need to write a small app like it's a big one - (drewk) - (15)
                                             Huh, most people are trying to figure out the opposite - (tuberculosis)
                                             This is classic - (ben_tilly) - (13)
                                                 Um, ... - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                     No. Exceptions exist. But generally, yes. -NT - (ben_tilly)
                                                 Not exactly - (drewk) - (10)
                                                     Good luck - (ben_tilly)
                                                     Ah - so that's what you're trying to do - (tuberculosis) - (8)
                                                         Time to hit the library - (drewk) - (3)
                                                             That's an old interview. - (admin) - (2)
                                                                 Gold mine - (drewk) - (1)
                                                                     Moochos grassy arse -NT - (pwhysall)
                                                         Several copies of Rod's book around here. - (admin) - (3)
                                                             Q on book. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                 Rod's book isn't for administrators - (admin) - (1)
                                                                     Ok, thanks. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                     That's not what they are saying - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                         Servlets and page scoped variables. - (warmachine)
         Re: When does a java constructor execute? - (dshellman) - (13)
             There is a certain amount of value... - (admin) - (1)
                 I already know that - (drewk)
             s/Tomcat/Jetty/ - (tuberculosis) - (10)
                 Based on what? - (admin) - (9)
                     Personal experience - (tuberculosis) - (8)
                         A couple of years back, sure. - (admin) - (7)
                             Oh Tomcat 5 - (tuberculosis) - (6)
                                 Reminds me of Spolsky's piece on Netscape - (FuManChu) - (5)
                                     And I remember disagreeing with it the first time - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                         Makes sense to me. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                             Know what you mean - (tuberculosis)
                                         It's a threshold thing - (ChrisR) - (1)
                                             And that point is completely true - (ben_tilly)
     What makes a "real" programming language? - (drewk) - (20)
         I think he's deluding himself. - (static) - (3)
             No doubt - (drewk) - (2)
                 An anti-example. - (static)
                 There are plenty - (jake123)
         You can do that in C# -NT - (altmann) - (1)
             Perfect :-D -NT - (drewk)
         That programmer is an idiot - (ben_tilly)
         You can do that in just about any modern language. - (admin) - (1)
             No invasion fleet, please! Just nuke it from orbit. -NT - (CRConrad)
         Fuel on the fire - (FuManChu) - (6)
             Hey, that's neat! - (static) - (2)
                 It does make extensibility a snap. - (FuManChu) - (1)
                     He was very much in love with doing things "correctly". - (static)
             Seems surprisingly like javascript - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                 I kinda like JavaScript. - (static)
                 Yup; the name binding and scopes are very similar -NT - (FuManChu)
         Well, since C often does "declaration only at first use"... - (CRConrad)
         Counter example - (tuberculosis) - (1)
             Great suggestion; seconded! -NT - (CRConrad)
         Sounds like a language holywar brewing over there - (tablizer)
     Database is excellent IPC mechanism - (tuberculosis) - (2)
         It's almost the *only* IPC mechanism for PHP ;) - (FuManChu)
         Never thought of it that way... - (pwhysall)
     Here's one more for Bryce: - (CRConrad) - (28)
         CRC error. Too late... already been pointed out. - (folkert)
         Oh yeah - there's a gem - (tuberculosis) - (13)
             Yeah, that's the one that struck me the most too. Sheesh! -NT - (CRConrad)
             That guy needs to be shot. - (static) - (3)
                 factoring frowned on - (tablizer) - (2)
                     You might find this interesting... (new thread) - (Another Scott)
                     ICLRPD (new thread) - (jb4)
             Divide-and-Conquer - (tablizer) - (3)
                 ! - (pwhysall) - (2)
                     For machines, no. For humans, yes. -NT - (tablizer)
                     Database is excellent IPC mechanism (new thread) - (tuberculosis)
             I e-mailed him about the article - (bluke) - (3)
                 That tells me he has *never* worked with cut-n-paste. -NT - (static) - (2)
                     Sure he did - (broomberg) - (1)
                         Never mind - (broomberg)
         Damn! - (tablizer) - (6)
             Go after him. - (admin) - (4)
                 I sent him email asking for citation to be added -NT - (tablizer) - (3)
                     Bah. - (admin) - (2)
                         There's always time to escalate. - (imric) - (1)
                             Update: he denies it - (tablizer)
             What HE said ^^^ -NT - (imric)
         32 - (systems) - (3)
             OT: Tried to locate his books at Amazon - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                 I found 2 of them - (bluke) - (1)
                     I wanted to find all of them... -NT - (Arkadiy)
         Here is his bio - (bluke)
         According to the author - (bluke)
     Seaside gets a new website - (tuberculosis) - (1)
         Woo! and Yay! and Stuff! - (folkert)
     Equivalent functionality of PHPsysinfo with python? - (Another Scott) - (2)
         No PHP experience here, but - (FuManChu)
         PHP exploits. - (static)
     Hey look - I'm famous! - (tuberculosis) - (2)
         Wooo... about time those numbers are bing shown -NT - (folkert)
         *GRIN* -NT - (imric)
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