Howard Stern yanked

Post #143,592 by deSitter 2/27/04 7:36:51 AM Reply	Howard Stern yanked ..no, not that kind of yanked... Clear Channel cancelled his show abruptly: [link\|http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3790430,00.html\|http://www.guardian....,-3790430,00.html] I don't know how to think about this. Censorship is bad - Clear Channel is evil incarnate - but Howard Stern is just evil. Perhaps some self-censorship (also called "good taste") would have been appropriate. -drl
Post #143,595 by hnick 2/27/04 8:28:44 AM Reply	pre-election sanctimony In the morning paper (Cleveland Plain Dealer), it was reported that he was dropped from 6 of 1400 stations affiliated with Clear Channel (I remember the 6, the 1400 I am unsure of.) It doesn't seem that they are taking a real big hit on this and they are getting a lot of publicity about how good, clean, and decent they are. Stern styles himself as a "Shock Jock", so I would imagine that his listening audiance is kind of expecting his kind of crap. Further, there must be a lot of people who like this stuff, because he wouldn't draw the kind of money he gets without a BIG following. I don't think that self-censorship would do it. He would be alienating his mealticket. This was just a business decision by CC; they will pander to the holy rollers rather than the happily shocked morons. Personally, I don't listen to him, because, while my shock threshold is rather high, my bordom threshold is attainable by most mediocre talent.
Post #143,625 by Steve Lowe 2/27/04 11:01:23 AM Reply	Ran him out of Denver after Columbine ----- Steve
Post #143,660 by tuberculosis 2/27/04 1:14:20 PM Reply	And good riddance I don't like his anti-intellectual crap. Its just lame. Shut up and play a record you moron. Every station he gets booted from means there's one more choice of programming. I like that. Radio should be local. The tree of research must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of bean counters. -- Alan Kay
Post #143,672 by Nightowl 2/27/04 1:23:08 PM Reply	Funny you should say that Every station he gets booted from means there's one more choice of programming. I like that. Radio should be local. That's the exact argument one of the ex-KCFV DJ's has been making and defending, that the programming is too nationalized and there isn't enough room for local stations with local talent. You're the first person I've heard defend his argument other than him, although there are some flaws in his logic. He seems to think ONLY local DJs should be hired in local cities, but see, that's not logical, it would mean no one could ever move and stay in the industry. However, throwing out his extreme desires for rigidity like that, I admit it would be nice to have more local DJ's and local stations in St. Louis, which deal with the things that matter here, not everywhere else. And it would work in any state, I believe there is room for both in every state. Nightowl >8# "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer
Post #143,675 by deSitter 2/27/04 1:24:59 PM Reply	What's the point of even turning the radio on? Modern music is mostly not "radio" music (don't want to say it sucks - well yes I do..) no local flavor etc. I saw that Smash the Idiot is finally gone for KLOU - wish Karen Kelley and JC would re-unite... -drl
Post #143,701 by Nightowl 2/27/04 2:57:45 PM Reply	Well, I have reasons to I turn it on for my parakeet, (my bird likes Classical music and I play it to soothe him and plus he's used to it, his previous owner played it 24-7). And I turn it on for Khits, my favorite 70's station which we play when the birdie isn't listening to Classical and no other noise is happening. We leave the radio on for the bird too, when we go out or anything, he always has soothing music. Other times I use the radio most is during storms, or sometimes to hear a game in the car that is local. Most of my sports I have to listen to on the internet. I don't like so-called modern music, so my 70's station is fine for me. Nightowl >8# "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer
Post #143,679 by jb4 2/27/04 1:34:43 PM Reply	Say WHAT?!? He seems to think ONLY local DJs should be hired in local cities, but see, that's not logical, it would mean no one could ever move and stay in the industry. I respond to that with a resounding "HUH?!?". If I move from Albuquerque to Denver, I get a job in Denver. (Actually, It'd be the other way around...I get a job in Denver, I move to Denver, but you get the point.) Guess what? I'm still local.......in Denver! And, I'm still "in the industry"! Whatever are you talking about, Brenda? jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating that facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #143,702 by Nightowl 2/27/04 3:06:54 PM 2/27/04 3:08:52 PM Reply	Re: Say WHAT?!? I respond to that with a resounding "HUH?!?". If I move from Albuquerque to Denver, I get a job in Denver. (Actually, It'd be the other way around...I get a job in Denver, I move to Denver, but you get the point.) Guess what? I'm still local.......in Denver! And, I'm still "in the industry"! Whatever are you talking about, Brenda? Heheeh, that's pretty much what we asked E.B. too. It makes no sense that a rule should be made only allowing stations to hire local talent. That is, talent that was BORN AND RAISED LOCALLY. That is E.B.'s definition of local talent, that you had to be BORN and RAISED in the city to be a true local DJ and be effective. I think he's nuts. We argued about this for more than a dozen posts in the KCFV forum, because it made no sense. E.B. mostly is bitter because he is wanting to be in big radio and he is local, but they will hire almost anyone else out of town before hiring him. Bottom line, we've tried to tell E.B. it's mostly his attitude holding him back, but he insists that if they had to hire local talent over out-of-town, he'd have a better job. I disagree, I think they wouldn't hire him period. But we pretty much thought his idea of the way radio should be run was stupid and illogical. He claimed most DJs weren't married and didn't want families, for example, and someone pointed out several who were. He seems to think we need a station just to be the "voice of St. Louis" I for one don't get it, why would we? I mean, I guess it'd be nice, but I wouldn't listen to it, and I am unconvinced there is a market for it. His other argument is that all the commercial stations are huge clones of stations from New York, LA, etc. oh well, I wouldn't know it if they were. I like mine, so I see no problem. I agree with him on one thing, the radio industry is not being run as well as it should be, and it shouldn't be so hard for people to get their feet in the door, but I don't think the answer is to limit stations to only being allowed to hire local talent. Understand now, JB? Nightowl >8# Edit: Explained E.B.'s concept of local talent. "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer Edited by Nightowl Feb. 27, 2004, 03:08:52 PM EST Expand All History
Post #143,729 by jb4 2/27/04 6:01:19 PM Reply	Thanks. You're right: He's whacked! So if you happen to be born the best possible DJ in the Western Hemisphere, and you have the misfortune to be born in Truth or Consequences, NM (there really is such a place!), you're fucked, because there isn't a radio station there (or within 75 miles in any direction), and you can't move to where there is a station because you're not "local" per his definition. What a maroon! jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating that facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #143,730 by Nightowl 2/27/04 6:05:56 PM Reply	Believe me, we tried to get E.B. to see the complete illogicality of his argument, but he keeps saying things like cities need a truly local sound, with a DJ who knows the area and grew up here and knows the history and all. It all sounds nice, I mean, it would be nice to have such a thing, I guess, not that I would be that interested in it, but to make it a mandatory thing is crazy. Like I said, I think he's mostly mad that the St. Louis stations won't hire him to work for them, rather they are hiring people from out of town instead. He seems to think he's St. Louis's gift to radio, but I don't agree. Sorry I was not defining his concept of local better before, I forgot you weren't really reading that thread in KCFV. Nightowl >8# "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer
Post #143,656 by Nightowl 2/27/04 1:03:18 PM Reply	I'm proud of them I think it's a good thing that the FCC and broadcasting companies are trying to make things less indecent, other than those time slots when people expect them to be. My two cents there. Nightowl >8# "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer
Post #143,658 by CRConrad 2/27/04 1:06:18 PM Reply	You would be.
Post #143,659 by boxley 2/27/04 1:10:28 PM Reply	Proud of what? I dont find Stern indecent or Bubba bad taste is not indecent. Indecent is a drug abusing political commentator insisting that addicts be locked up, that is indecent. If Stern and Bubba are the number one listened to show in their market, by local standards they could not be indecent or people wouldnt listen to them. Janet Jackson was indecent because it was NOT expected. Stern cannot be considered indecent because he has been broadcasting the same stuff for 20 years. His show is noted for its ribald content so it is expected so you can CHOOSE not FORCED to listen or NOT. freakin nazi censor, change yer name from nightowl to church lady thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #143,666 by Nightowl 2/27/04 1:19:44 PM Reply	No thanks, I like Nightowl Having been in broadcasting before, and knowing what goes on there, the indecency level has risen and caused issues with both the commercial and non-commercial stations. I'm not saying Stern or whomever should not ever be on the air, I'm simply saying I'm glad to see the stations/companies making rules and sticking to those rules. If the DJs break the rules, they're in trouble. I would think Howard Stern or whomever else could be on at certain time slots, when people know they are there and younger listeners could not tune in, I'm not sure why CC pulled it completely. But bottom line, Janet Jackson changed the entire way the FCC looked at things and the entire future of broadcasting. I'm still not sure if it's good or bad, but I agree that the public should be comfortable to watch certain things, such as the Super Bowl, or Oscars, without fear of some un-excusable act occurring. And what the FCC is also doing, is examining the way broadcasting is being done, so that maybe there will be more room for more stations to be competitve, rather than just the big radio companies owning and running everything. I can't say that will happen, but having been in a serious debate about it on my KCFV radio group, I hope that in some ways it will improve the industry of broadcasting so that the people who want to be part of it have a better chance at it. Calling me names doesn't work Boxley, I have to give a hoot, and I don't. Nightowl >8# "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer
Post #143,716 by pwhysall 2/27/04 4:52:04 PM Reply	It's not that he's rude It's that he's crap. You sgould try listening to Chris Moyles on a morning to realise what drivel you're being fed. Stern would have lasted about 10 minutes on UK radio. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #143,755 by boxley 2/27/04 9:08:25 PM Reply	much prefered bubba over stern Aside from broads faking orgasms and bobo honkin, he had interesting guests from racin and rasslin urologists, lawyers, plastic surgeons etc on a regular basis. In fact being new to the area after hearing these guys on his show I hired them on behalf of my son. The insurance company was fucking me around, at the end of the day the kid gets the help he needs and fear jumped the Insurance co to settle for 4 times what I tried to get them to discuss 6 months ago. Its not all Tits and Ass although that is eminently compelling radio to me. So why the fuck does church lady and co get to listen to their classical and sports and tell me I cant listen to my CHOICE. Dont say its the will of the majority because this show was rated number one in 5 markets. Majority voted by listening. It was the MINORITY forcing their morality and religion on me. thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #143,758 by Nightowl 2/27/04 9:21:41 PM Reply	If you read my post more closely You'll see that I never said to keep them off the air completely, only put them in certain time-slots where people would EXPECT them to be, and kids wouldn't likely be listening. I never said anything about you not getting to listen to your choice. And I'm not a church lady, either, in fact, I have a hard time with the word lady, it reminds me of someone who is delicate and wears dresses and walks daintily, and that ain't me. Nightowl >8# "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer
Post #143,759 by boxley 2/27/04 9:33:05 PM Reply	church lady, think david spade in drag Saterday Nite Live so now you are scheduling what time I can listen to my shows so the kids cant here them, you dont have kids I do but get to tell me what my kids can or cant listen to, how fucked up is that? If a parent is too fucking stupd to know what their kids listen to, or dont have kids like yourself they listen to violent criminal antisocial music where whore nigger fuck rape drugs and kill appear to be the only recognisable words. If you have gone to a middleschool anytime latetely you will see "most" of the girls dressed like hookers, and the blowjob range of age hovers around 50% by age 12 and the comments swirling around you make you think you are in an Algerian Brothel not 6-8th graders. Now everyone in the Tampa listening area know who bubba is, what his show is about and kids dont listen, my kids thought he was stupid, they listen to 70-80's rock, one rapp and one pop so dont use the "its for the kiddies crap" its just another escuse for you controlling people, by making others conform to your rules. So who died and put you in charge? thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #143,764 by Nightowl 2/27/04 9:44:40 PM Reply	church lady, think david spade in drag Saterday Nite Live Never heard of him/her? Must have been before I started watching it. I'm not telling you anything, I'm not purporting to be in charge of anything. All I said was I was proud of Clear Channel for trying to clean up their act some, and hoped that it might be the beginning of better rules for broadcasting and improve the industry for the DJ's and other people involved in the business, because they are looking at more than indecency, they are also looking at how many stations are owned and whether the same corporations should be allowed to control all the medias at once, radio and newspaper and TV. I see this as a breakthrough for improving the broadcasting industry. All Stern or anyone else would have to do is play by the new rules, and I'm sure they would be on-air again. However, the people they fired brought them the largest fines by the FCC, so the Clear Channel corporation is starting to pay attention to this fact and look after themselves more. Nightowl >8# "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer
Post #143,768 by boxley 2/27/04 10:01:09 PM Reply	the fines were just announced and you being in the business well know those are a. a cost of doing busimess, in stern's case a very minor cost b. those numbers are announced and negotiated downward. In Bubba's case in his last contract he was forced to take all financial responsibilty for any levied fines by the FCC so Clear Channel is not losing dollar one except in advertizing revenue. c. rumors are starting that bubba was negotiating an out for clear channel by moving into the paid subscription base of satellite radio and clearchannel expects to make a bundle by advertising church lady shows here but $20 a month gets all the bubba they want. Its not decency driving any of this it is a dollar bill and the unholey halleluia chorus is wolves circling the sheeple. And you as a lead sheep are baaing in the forfront. feh, thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #143,773 by Nightowl 2/27/04 10:11:01 PM Reply	...fines were just announced and you being in the business well know those are a. a cost of doing busimess, in stern's case a very minor cost Nope, I have no idea. I haven't been in broadcasting in years and years. I don't know what is standard cost of operations and what is minor from what isn't. b. those numbers are announced and negotiated downward. In Bubba's case in his last contract he was forced to take all financial responsibilty for any levied fines by the FCC so Clear Channel is not losing dollar one except in advertizing revenue. Now that one I did hear, that Bubba was being charged instead. c. rumors are starting that bubba was negotiating an out for clear channel by moving into the paid subscription base of satellite radio and clearchannel expects to make a bundle by advertising church lady shows here but $20 a month gets all the bubba they want. Its not decency driving any of this it is a dollar bill and the unholey halleluia chorus is wolves circling the sheeple. And you as a lead sheep are baaing in the forfront. I ain't no lead sheep. I didn't call or complain to anyone. I didn't even write the FCC when everyone rallied around complaining about the Super Bowl halftime show. I'm just a simple ex-broadcasting person who is on the sidelines watching, I ain't doing a damn thing either way. Just voiced my opinion, was all, and only here and in the KCFV forum, not to the powers that be or control it all. Nightowl >8# "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer
Post #143,663 by deSitter 2/27/04 1:18:28 PM Reply	Agree but wouldn't say it was indecent ..just bad taste of the worst sort - and in any case unseemly in a 50 year old. Could be he should attempt to somewhat grow up. Once he made light of his own wife's abortion on the air. Ugh. -drl
Post #143,676 by Nightowl 2/27/04 1:27:15 PM Reply	I understand that I however do not know what constitutes "indecency" despite reading the definitions from the FCC etc. Bottom line is that indecency is a personal choice as to whether something is indecent. The FCC is trying to make it a one-definition thing that applies across the board, and bear in mind that they are also working with the new rules, because what was indecent way back then, isn't not. It's a constantly changing definition, which is why it's so tricky. I never have listened to Howard Stern, or Bubba or whatever. I'm not big on talk shows of any sort other than Letterman, and he sometimes gets raunchy, but he's on late at night, so that makes a huge difference. Janet Jackson pushed the envelope, crossed the line, whatever, and she changed the world for it. What's funny is it is believed she thought it would enhance her career, but it's actually getting worse. She was removed from a film as a choice for it, and asked to stand down from something else. She is taking a lot of heat, not gaining a lot of good publicity for her stunt. Same for Justin, he has been looked down upon and also was asked not to participate in something he was going to be in. If in retrospect either of these two had had a clue what they were about to cause to happen, both to their careers AND the broadcasting industry, one wonders if they might have NOT done it. Then again... who knows. Nightowl >8# "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer
Post #143,783 by Ashton 2/27/04 11:25:34 PM Reply	You're female, right? You appear to have bought the popular nattering about this spectacularly trivial event.. a sub-part of another spectacularly vulgar overblown Contest among colorfully clad millionaires. Now a Sacred Event? Only in Murica is this nudity-fetish [body=sin] able to galvanize such sanctimonious and unending BS: a culture which Sells Everything via Sex, but pretends that it doesn't. Is that clinical insanity or just terminal bogosity? While I didn't see the SB Spectacular - I get what the Puritan brouhaha is about. Now unless you want to accept invention/ supposition/ hearsay of a 'staged thing', or even of such a thing gone awry by bad dressage: What you all saw was fucking Sexual Battery: in lieu of any proof of it being premeditated. HE ACTED. Period. So how is it that the focus is on This Woman and zippo, nada, NIL = NOT! on the vacuous no-talent pretty boy who performed the deed? <<< because THAT is the way I've seen this vapid little nothingness played out since. {Along with overtones of racism and standard Murican massive sanctimony} That's akin to standard Murican blame-the-rapee because "she shouldn't have worn those Hot Pants!" or "been there" or.. teased those poor schmuck males what can't control theyselves; they be such babies. yada & yada. And since when is a human breast 'obscene' or 'indecent' - shall we bring back the no nursing of lecherous nipple-sucking babies in public Lynch Laws too? These are Giant blab-words hurled about as-if any TWO people might share anything like a similar definition. That is the 'definition' precisely of: a blab word. "nuclear weapon" - now THAT'S OBSCENE, if you have problems telling. I don't think you have the foggiest idea! of the can of worms your casual 'opinion' opens - when you "think it's a pretty good idea" for {SomeOne in Government\ufffd} to Crack Down. You've simply missed the entire history of Blue Nose censorship. The problem of 'democracy' has always been the protecting of the minority from the Farmily Valuez of the majority mob. aka Homogenization to the lowest common denominator: by law. It still is The Problem. {sheesh} Ashton
Post #143,786 by boxley 2/27/04 11:36:40 PM Reply	naw she smells a fart and thinks its roses by conditioning when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #143,787 by Nightowl 2/27/04 11:37:31 PM Reply	Re: You're female, right? Last I looked, yep. You appear to have bought the popular nattering about this spectacularly trivial event.. a sub-part of another spectacularly vulgar overblown Contest among colorfully clad millionaires. Now a Sacred Event? I haven't bought into anything. I didn't appreciate seeing it myself, but I've never been one for nudity in any media form. I just ain't interested. The issue of sex may be overblown in the media and nation and culture, but I could care less. Sex is just one factor in my marriage and my life, nothing I care about is built on or around just sexual activity. While I didn't see the SB Spectacular - I get what the Puritan brouhaha is about. Now unless you want to accept invention/ supposition/ hearsay of a 'staged thing', or even of such a thing gone awry by bad dressage: I do accept invention of it, because they both admitted it. And I don't know why you think it is only focusing on Janet, because it most certainly is not. Justin has been taking a lot of heat from it as well, even was pulled from a show he was gonna be part of, and Janet lost a part in a movie over this. Maybe it isn't as trotted out in the media about Justin because Janet is oh so much more exciting to discuss, but Justin is regretting having been part of it, more and more every day. And since when is a human breast 'obscene' or 'indecent' - shall we bring back the no nursing of lecherous nipple-sucking babies in public Lynch Laws too? These are Giant blab-words hurled about as-if any TWO people might share anything like a similar definition. That is the 'definition' precisely of: a blab word. Public nudity has always been considered taboo or over the top, or obscene if you will. It has never been an acceptable way to conduct oneself in public. I didn't decide that, it's been that way for years. I don't think you have the foggiest idea! of the can of worms your casual 'opinion' opens - when you "think it's a pretty good idea" for {SomeOne in Government?} to Crack Down. You've simply missed the entire history of Blue Nose censorship. The problem of 'democracy' has always been the protecting of the minority from the Farmily Valuez of the majority mob. aka Homogenization to the lowest common denominator: by law. It still is The Problem. I didn't open any can of worms. Opinions don't open cans of worms, they open flame threads. Only actions open cans of worms, and I wasn't carrying my can opener. ;) Sheesh yourself. Nightowl >8# "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer
Post #143,818 by boxley 2/28/04 10:20:09 AM Reply	maybe in buttfsck missouri nude is not accepted in the rest of the america seeing a kid sucking on a tit is not. walking by the atm saw a couple (hope male and female) at any rate the males behind the wheel was getting a hummer at 9am. I didnt see others around hauling out cellphones to call the cops. Nawlins gives you beads for hanging you teats out for show and in alaska we have people whho fly in from all over to watch strippers. So maybe in buttfuck missouri you bumpkins are too inbred to appreciate nudity but the rest of us just want to know in advance. thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #143,810 by Meerkat 2/28/04 7:53:39 AM Reply	She didn't 'change the world', I'd say We Australians just sorta went 'Oh look, a tit', and moved on. It's the US reaction, rather than the event itself, that's been making the news over here. John. Busy lad.
Post #143,817 by Nightowl 2/28/04 10:15:21 AM Reply	Re: She didn't 'change the world', I'd say Don't you have an equivalent of the FCC? How did it react? I wasn't talking about the people of the world, I was talking about the FCC and rules of broadcasting. :) Nightowl >8# "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer
Post #143,858 by Meerkat 2/28/04 7:16:08 PM Reply	Not even sure if SuperBowl was shown on free-to-air TV Gridiron doesn't get much of a look-in here - it's not cricket, or Rugby League, or Aussie Rules football. Or motor racing, of tennis, or basketball, ... But the news at the time carried the story in an 'amused' tone rather than anything serious. I think our equivalent of the FCC would be the ABA - [link\|http://www.aba.gov.au\|Australian Broadcasting Authority]. They list the complaints they have received - a search on Janet Jackson brought up 0 results. The ABA tend to concern themselves with stuff that, IMO, matters. Like, broadcasters endorsing products but not disclosing the fact they were paid to make those endorsements. Many of hte complaints from the public concern excessive violence being shown at an inappropriate hour. Anyway, it's all there on the web site. I wasn't talking about the people of the world, I was talking about the FCC and rules of broadcasting. :) Cool, that makes much more sense. Heck, there have even been boobies seen on prime-time TV here. Even on a mid-day talk show that had an expert body-painter in, and the models were wearing, well, only paint. No one batted an eyelid so far as I can remember. So yeah, the general reaction to Janet & Justin was: no big deal. Once a TV personality was banned for saying 'Farrrrrrrrrk' on TV (allegedly he was imitating a birdcall). But this was in the seventies, and he was back on air a few years later. John. Busy lad.
Post #143,872 by Nightowl 2/28/04 10:50:34 PM Reply	Ah ok, that helps Thanks for explaining all that, and sorry I wasn't more specific in the first post. Nightowl >8# "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer
Post #143,838 by pwhysall 2/28/04 2:50:17 PM Reply	Same here "Wouldn't make page 3" was one comment I've heard :) Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #143,687 by rickw 2/27/04 1:55:49 PM Reply	I don't see this as true censorship. Pussy jokes don't really SAY anything. Neither does talking to a nude stripper about her titjob. Nor did his E! show segement where he fondled Jenny McCarthy's new boobjob onair and talked about it for 20 minutes. I listened/watched for 3 days to see what all the fame is about. I gave him 3 days to see if I could "get" it. I think I do get it, and from what I saw/heard, there's no expression, just crude nonsense. Howard might be capable of articulate thought and speech. That isn't it though. Then there's the difference between government and private sector censorship. This is of course a bit of both--that could make an interesting conversation. WWJD? JWRTFM.
Post #143,692 by boxley 2/27/04 2:14:11 PM Reply	I watched Pat Robertson and Foulwell I listened/watched for 3 days to see what all the fame is about. I gave them 3 days to see if I could "get" it. I think I do get it, and from what I saw/heard, there's no expression, just crude nonsense. Yet you do not see me crusading to remove Robertson/Foulwell/Thrush from annoying MY airwaves. Level playing field folks, thats all play in yer own sandbox and leave mine alone thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #143,703 by rickw 2/27/04 3:19:51 PM Reply	Re: I watched Pat Robertson and Foulwell The fact is, I agree with your statement re sandboxes. That's a different issue though. While I haven't given televangalists the same 3-day chance, I suspect that they _say_ something. Religious mumbling, while frequently reactionary, judgemental, thickheaded, and exclusionary, at least expresses an opinion. I don't see fart jokes doing the same. However, webster defines "censoring" as "to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable" So, my original statement is incorrect, as that's exactly what happened. The spirit of what I said, though, still holds: I don't consider this censorship that is wrong or sinister. At a certain point, I believe that the removal of non-speech from public media is good; I think that's the case here. I'd never tell Howard what to think or not to think, or what to say/not say in private. I believe in a slightly higher standard for public airwaves though. WWJD? JWRTFM.
Post #143,754 by boxley 2/27/04 9:04:02 PM Reply	so rush limbough should be off the air as well? when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #143,715 by pwhysall 2/27/04 4:47:00 PM Reply	Re: Howard Stern yanked Don't get all excited. He was a crap DJ who made up for his crappiness with offensiveness. As a DJ, he sucked ass. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #143,738 by bepatient 2/27/04 6:19:50 PM Reply	You obviously listened ;-) Landed in hitsville by way of lesbian jokes on morning radio. The piece that got him yanked was an interview with the guy from the Paris Hilton video. He went way way out on the edge with it. Those that think there should be no line would say "just turn it off"...those that think there should be a line know he was over it by a light year or 2. I think there should be a line. Not a censorship line, per se...but a "common decency" line that should voluntarily not be crossed. I had one. Did I air disks with the "bad words". Yes. I told you about them beforehand. Not after your jaw hit the floor. Really that simple. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} It goes in, it must come out._{Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #143,756 by boxley 2/27/04 9:14:16 PM Reply	he wasnt "over the edge" he has used those same words in that way for 20 years, the wolfman in DC was doing that stuff in 1997. Nothing new so why is it jut now considered over the line. thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #143,760 by Silverlock 2/27/04 9:35:15 PM Reply	Point boxley. I don't like Howard. I still want him on the air. Mostly because he pisses people off. Me included. ----------------------------------------- "If you don't vote, it's your fault!" -jb4 George W. "I cannot tell a lie" George W. B. "I cannot tell a lie from lie related program activities"
Post #143,767 by bepatient 2/27/04 10:01:05 PM Reply	Greaseman??? That who you mean in DC? Not quite. Stern has progressed. To the point where the term "shock jock" doesn't apply to him. He's danced that line so long that noone remembers its there. Its true that the behavior wouldn't have warranted a second look 6 months ago. But the huge fine levied in FL against "sponge" and the potential for this to give the FCC back some teeth has got the media-megas very very scared. But again, there should be a line, in my opinion. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking him. I often listen...and when he's funny...he is >really< funny. Its not as simple as telling people to "turn it off". Wish it was that simple. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} It goes in, it must come out._{Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #143,770 by boxley 2/27/04 10:02:56 PM Reply	sorry greaseman gay washington drunk cop bit puking all over a white tourist in their car and weenie wagging them, funny as hell but over the line. thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #143,771 by bepatient 2/27/04 10:04:13 PM Reply	That was a good one! He had a few that went a bit far...and in the end it cost him a few years off the air. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} It goes in, it must come out._{Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #143,785 by Ashton 2/27/04 11:35:57 PM Reply	Isn't the 'real'-ish problem that, you can't legislate either taste or (any two peoples' same idea of) decency - though a Purchaser of Entertainment Can fire you? And if scared by a chance.. of loss-of-profits: Will? (So how is a Giant Corporation different from a Giant Government, as wielder of Power to induce conformity?) Now if we could legislate against either hypocrisy or sanctimony.. I see: a Lose/Lose situation + infinite tongue wagging signifying nada, but aiming for More Homogenization. One theme 24/7: bland. Blah.
Post #143,803 by bepatient 2/28/04 6:19:01 AM Reply	Thats just it... You equate Howard's ability to tell lesbian jokes and to have Jenna Jameson talk about only taking it up the a** from her boyfriend with variety in radio. I don't. Like there have never been funny guys that didn't tell dirty jokes. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} It goes in, it must come out._{Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #143,809 by Ashton 2/28/04 7:42:39 AM Reply	No, actually I don't 'equate' such. It just may be the price that a no-class majority forces all to pay, until some hypothetical time when .. .. .?. .. they develop some class, indicate that they don't Want to hear female dissing as-if it were a joke. After all, Barnum was proven right about such matters. What I don't want is - John Ashcroft and ilk deciding either what is funny or what might 'have class'. I don't actually want a bunch of Corporate ad execs deciding either.. but we have accepted that them as have skimmed the most $$ get to pick the crap they put on "the people's airwaves" .. somehow we Let That Continue to happen, making a gift of that resource. That's US. I predict it will be a long wait; we're comfy with pure shit as 'advertainment' - and it Sells So Well - and the MBAs Love That. Why.. what else could matter more to a mercantile group, striving for Efficiency in cash/quarter? (Unless we decided that, say, a la BBC and a Set Tax - we Do Deserve a noncommercial, properly funded alternative to the AM-radio and Howard Sternish folks and their merchandising of genitalia for gigabucks. Referendum time?) OK maybe in another couple years we can ask again. (Seen Elimidate? there's what the up and coming are like. Kinda makes ya proud, no?)
Post #143,815 by bepatient 2/28/04 8:08:07 AM Reply	That corporate bland is what we get >today< ...because of the pervasiveness of the potty joke that is Stern. If you don't have him as #1 in your market, you have someone trying to be like him to be #1 in the market. Its like the train wreck. You can't help but to look. Thats what I equate his success to...you know you don't want to listen...but you just can't help yourself...you might miss seeing that actual severed head ;-) He really >isn't< that good. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} It goes in, it must come out._{Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #143,891 by Ashton 2/29/04 5:25:27 AM Reply	No, he really isn't IM hallowed O. I believe I may have seen about 8 minutes, lifetime total of this twit - that's enough to correlate his stylelessness with all previous experiences of overtly smug [\ufffd DRL narcissists] in flagrante. That he is Popular says.. well you know. Hog in trough game; that's US. But then we simultaneously horrify the rest of the world - while entertaining too: by the fact of what entertains US; not the content. Our 'footprint' precedes and sabotages any efforts at diplomatic explaining of larger issues, is my guess.. Recursive dissonance? As you say, like watching Plan 9 from Outer Space - the near-worst of the worst becomes Entertainment! And we seem to have run with that perverse logic ever since. After all, it's just filler between ads, right - those "people's airwaves" cha cha. (Check out Elimidate.. but not right after a meal, OK?) moi OK - I've watched Plan 9 at least twice. Too. Now ... The Blob [is that a metaphor for Walmart?]
Post #143,939 by bepatient 2/29/04 5:18:14 PM Reply	ICLRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #143938 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=143938\|ICLRPD] If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} It goes in, it must come out._{Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #144,409 by Nightowl 3/4/04 1:21:12 PM Reply	Hey Boxley... you might be interested in this Howard Stern is still on the air in some places. :) It won't let me link to the article (it's not really an article, it's a art-news brief), but basically my local paper claims that Stern is still broadcasted on 40 stations nationwide. :) Emmis did warn him to watch his material in St. Louis, anyway, but at least he can still be on the air. See, I told you I thought they would probably give radio people a chance to try again. :) Nightowl >8# "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer
Post #144,414 by boxley 3/4/04 1:26:51 PM Reply	stern lost 6 of 40+ stations he works for infinity, the clearchannel stations dumped him. This is not a chance, this is simply they make too much money off of advertising to kick stern off the air. thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]

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