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Female homosexuality is regarded as a turn-on at best, or a harmless distraction at worst, rather than an abnormal psychic arrangement. When Madonna slathers Britney, it's a lascivious joke - think of what would be said if Pete Rose grabbed Paul Tagliabue's crotch.
Face it - women (in past, as well as since '60s) have always been more emotionally expressive - while many males appear to come equipped with a natural reluctance to display Any emotion except perhaps, aggression.. ie the much-admired John Wayne model.

(The 'turn-on' phrase is properly finished, 'to males') - men are clearly more simplistic in fantsizing - and mere nakedness will do it; obv. women like naked men's appearances too -- but most require a bit more than Just that, to be interested.

You are employing reductio of the calibre of the same kind of crap that is fed to young boys - as reinforces that utter discomfort with normal human emotions -shared by both genders!- and especially: the displaying of such.

In a Bay Area killing in 12/02 of a ~male kid who was, what is now called *'transgender' - 'she' was killed because she made the fatal mistake of attending a "small party" with new acquaintances, without the support group, her (female) friends - who had decided not to go. S/he was killed simply because it was discovered that she was 'male'. (S/he looked quite feminine, and of course! had long endured all the usual Murican virulent forms of abuse for the fact of her clearly Different sense-of-self). Remember Our Xenophobia?

* officially, I'd think, for having recently told his mother. "I feel like a woman trapped in this body".

Here are quotes from a lengthy article as appeard in a mag of the [link|http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/12/22/CM173274.DTL| SF Chron], following this atrocity
Psychologists and specialists in the field of gender identity say such attacks often stem from a fear of what's inside of oneself. In many cases, victims of hate crimes are pummeled, as if there were something to be exorcised.

In one telling account of what had happened, Newark resident Brian Seabrands, who was not at the party but had heard the rumors, told police that things went wrong after guys at a party "found out it (Eddie) wasn't a chick, beat the hell out of it, killed it and supposedly buried it in South Lake Tahoe."

The overwhelming majority of hate crimes involve men.

"There is a fear of the feminine hidden in the masculine self, and somehow that translates into violence," said Anne Fausto-Sterling, a Brown University professor who works with transgendered people and has written several books on human sexuality, including "Sexing the Body: Gender Politics and the Construction of Sexuality." She believes that such bias has less to do with class or race than education and familiarization with gender issues.

"The more these other modes of existence become part of the familiar, the less threatening they seem."
Note: the use of the non-human OBJECTIVE 'IT' - exactly what I mean about the degree of both sexual and sensual pathology within a significant set of Murican retards, especially young Murican males: perhaps the most self-fearful of any nameable group. They KILLED THIS PERSON - for their pathologically terrifying self-doubts Q-fucking-ED

Yes.. Yes.. you will protest the idea of specialists in the field of gender identity and much which passes for psych -- while you will express your own equivalents according-to-You. No?

We don't have space (or patience) to set out the full range of homo-sap devious possible qualities [with extreme samples found in both genders] - and which ones are more/less pandered-to within this Puritan besotted shallow culture: but let's -at least!- not settle for the same shoddy quality of analysis as the Culture does, shall we not?

If you trouble to read this whole story, I believe implicit in that - is much I'd say to counter your brand of solipsism on the "proper roles of males, females" - and left out of your mentation - those who are confused (or very clear) about How they perceive themselves as Different from the body-shape they drew".

(Imagine John Wayne's response to THAT idea.!. and That is How It Is in the bathos of this fucked-up juvie-culture.)

ie. Your analytic brilliance in some areas - simply is Not universal, IMhO.


Ashton
Men with Guts are able to cry
(maybe sometimes.. Instead-of 'killing' or killing)


Edit; unfortunately the SFGate archives don't supply the pictures - which put faces on the many involved persons, the gland-fucked kids and the killed-kid.
Expand Edited by Ashton Jan. 14, 2004, 07:37:32 AM EST
New keep john wayne out of it
as quoted by another masculine epitomised of a similar era, for sheer fun give me a 12yo boy every time. Errol Flynn.
this shit aint new.
thanx,
bill
same old crap, con artists ripping off fools. Ah, hell, Catholic Church it start off that way. They All do. Jesus probably had three walnut shells one pea, then he's dead and can't be questioned,
Gabriel Dupre

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
     "as American as Levis" - (deSitter) - (79)
         Uhhh...Ross? - (jb4) - (14)
             ferget it, he's on a roll -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                 Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?? -NT - (admin) - (1)
                     Hell No!!! And it ain't over now. -NT - (xtensive)
             Re: Uhhh...Ross? - (deSitter) - (10)
                 It shows your hatred of women - (orion) - (7)
                     Re: It shows your hatred of women - (deSitter) - (6)
                         Not every woman is like that - (orion) - (5)
                             Re: Not every woman is like that - (deSitter) - (4)
                                 "Shut up and go away, I'm stereotyping." :) -NT - (inthane-chan)
                                 I did read - (orion) - (2)
                                     shakes head and resolves to ignore drones -NT - (deSitter) - (1)
                                         Yaaaay! -NT - (Arkadiy)
                 Wow - (Nightowl)
                 Words fail... - (jb4)
         Re: "We can't even make our own damn pants" - (lincoln) - (13)
             My last job was at a major shoe manufacturer... - (danreck) - (12)
                 Any thoughts on where the money goes? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                     Re: Any thoughts on where the money goes? - (danreck) - (1)
                         Ah, US Shoe.... -NT - (Another Scott)
                 Oooohh...A whole $.06 savings! - (jb4)
                 Now, this is odd - (Arkadiy) - (6)
                     It's called 'Executive Compensation' -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
                         Yeah, but what executive cares to increase his compensation - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                             That risk is to the stockholders . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                 Well, I guess - (Arkadiy)
                     How many pairs of shoes are we talking about. - (bepatient)
                     Who has that profit, matters - (ben_tilly)
                 Right - (deSitter)
         What do you know about feminism? - (slugbug) - (49)
             It's all of a part - (deSitter) - (48)
                 Reading a little extra into that, aren't you? - (ben_tilly) - (46)
                     Re: Reading a little extra into that, aren't you? - (deSitter) - (45)
                         Cart before horse - (Ashton) - (1)
                             keep john wayne out of it - (boxley)
                         Re: Reading a little extra into that, aren't you? - (deSitter) - (1)
                             Shirley... - (CRConrad)
                         Again, you're ascribing the wrong cause - (ben_tilly) - (40)
                             Additional causes plus a small edit. - (inthane-chan) - (39)
                                 Puritanism is ignorant of, simultaneously opposed-to an idea - (Ashton) - (38)
                                     IMO, Ashton... - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                         ICLRPD (new thread) - (jb4)
                                     Re: Puritanism is ignorant of, simultaneously opposed-to an - (deSitter) - (34)
                                         Sorry, can't ignore this one. - (Nightowl) - (29)
                                             Re: Sorry, can't ignore this one. - (deSitter) - (3)
                                                 Whatever - (Nightowl)
                                                 Fundamental Units (new thread) - (deSitter)
                                                 Ross, the Puritan........I never would have thought it! - (jb4)
                                             So you are in favor of gay marriages? - (a6l6e6x) - (9)
                                                 I never said that - (Nightowl) - (8)
                                                     You never said anything against it either - (ben_tilly) - (7)
                                                         Stop putting words in my mouth - (Nightowl) - (6)
                                                             Hint - Nobody said you did. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                 Re: Hint - Nobody said you did. - (Nightowl)
                                                             But I didn't - reading comprehension time - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                                                 Re: But I didn't - reading comprehension time - (Nightowl) - (1)
                                                                     Yes, but.... - (ben_tilly)
                                                                 Bingo! -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                                             childless and married are we? - (boxley) - (14)
                                                 You are incorrect. - (Nightowl) - (13)
                                                     No need to be sorry. Your life, your choice. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                                                         Re: No need to be sorry. Your life, your choice. - (Nightowl)
                                                     Depending on which Christian Sect you belong to - (boxley) - (10)
                                                         Re: Depending on which Christian Sect you belong to - (Nightowl) - (3)
                                                             No need to debate your religion at all - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                 That isn't quite what I said - (Nightowl)
                                                                 So infertile people shouldn't be able to marry? (new thread) - (Another Scott)
                                                         On Catholic birth control - (Silverlock) - (1)
                                                             Re: On Catholic birth control - (hnick)
                                                         State marriages are more than a tax sham - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                                             marriage matters to whom? - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                 Immediate respect - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                                     wondered if that was it - (boxley)
                                         deS gets better and better - (Arkadiy) - (3)
                                             Re: deS gets better and better - (deSitter) - (2)
                                                 Where you advocated infidelity is... - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                     Re: Where you advocated infidelity is... - (deSitter)
                                     yer last sentence is incorrect - (boxley)
                 But I argue that the workforce needed to be doubled - (orion)

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