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Post #124,383 by rcareaga 11/5/03 9:27:38 PM Reply	question to all This seems to be a more heavily-armed group than I had realized, and I must remember to ramp up my already usually mandarinate courtesies in future. However: has anyone here ever actually been on the receiving end of a home invasion? The level of paranoia is a bit surprising, and I wonder whether you're all carrying after being raped and pistol-whipped in the family room of a Sunday night, or after your friends and/or relatives were carved up like the Christmas roast by PCP-crazed Satanist serial killers, or...or is it just that film, television entertainment and of course your local Fearmonger News ("PCP-crazed Satanist serial killers sacrifice area infant to Moloch! Details at eleven, plus sports and weather, here at Fearmonger Five!") have between them left everyone with the impression that it's a darned dangerous world out there? Come to think of it--egad, if even name of self-professedly unbalanced iwethey member ninny redacted here is packing heat, then it is a dangerous world... warily, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #124,388 by orion 11/5/03 9:41:02 PM 11/5/03 10:25:01 PM Reply	I chalk it up to paranoia just in case someone is out to get you, you might as well pack some heat. To be on the safe side, for sure. As IMric says "paranoia is a survial trait". As I've been known to say "sometimes paranoia pays off". Just having guns is a deterant to people to leave you alone. Leave some gun magazines (reading material, not gun clips) in the car, display your NRA sticker on your house and car windows. Let the world know that you are packing heat and even the craziest of crazies will think twice before provoking you. In Missouri, we have a concealed weapon law on the books now. Anyone could potentially be packing heat. I myself would only use guns if physically provoked or threatened. So written abuse in a forum is not grounds for locking and loading. I am not that crazy. Also I am very forgiving, so nothing to fear from me. I've had people mess with me, mostly my outside property because they know if they get into my house, they might face the business end of a gun. I've had my car windows smashed, lawn messed with, even someone tried to break into the garage, but never the house. I've dealt with some raging psychopaths before who just don't know when to quit, but I haven't seen or heard from them lately. Of course the Satanists don't bother me any more ever since they did a background check on me and discovered I had three 6's in my birthdate. I just gave them a "Damien Thorn" stare straight out of "The Omen" movies and they ran away. :) When I lived in Saint Louis city, I had that "Crazy White Boy" look about me that kept the muggers and other thugs away. Mumbling about having no job, no money, no hot water in the apartment and the next person who hassles me will regret it sort of helped. :) *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"* Edited by orion Nov. 5, 2003, 10:25:01 PM EST Expand All History
Post #124,414 by folkert 11/5/03 11:19:08 PM Reply	Fluffy, White, boy... Norm, I am sure you mean well with your posts lately. I am sure you believe you could and will whoop some ass... I am also sure... I'd peg you long before you could even realize it was me. I am sure, you really need to ... sell any weapons you have, please. I am extremly sure guns in your hands or your kids... even play ones... BAD idea. This ain't worth the time it took to write. But heed it. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey*
Post #124,418 by orion 11/5/03 11:49:46 PM 11/6/03 12:47:16 AM Reply	Relax don't worry about me, I can handle myself. I've gotten better since I've been in the hospital. A man has to protect his family somehow. Maybe you could peg me before I'd realize it was you. But do you have any reason to? Over posts made on IWETHEY? If so, you are the one that needs to sell his weapons not me. Don't even try to take away my rights, the NRA is on my side. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"* Edited by orion Nov. 6, 2003, 12:47:16 AM EST Expand All History
Post #124,502 by dmcarls 11/6/03 2:06:14 PM Reply	Re: I chalk it up to paranoia Check out the one-year stock chart on this company (symbol TASR): [link\|http://www.taser.com/\|http://www.taser.com/] Amazing....and by the way, they do have a line of consumer products.
Post #124,506 by orion 11/6/03 2:28:34 PM Reply	Taser, a good product. Problem is if you Taser the perp, they can come back and sue you, or just wait to get out of jail and return to your house later with friends or guns. Good product, as long as they aren't wearing body armor or padding. Still not something I would want a child to have access to. Could also use a Tranq Gun and wait until the Police arrive. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #124,527 by folkert 11/6/03 4:54:42 PM Reply	Look at the Damn thing... [link\|http://www.taserx26.com/features/xfeatures.swf\|The X26] Looks like a Freaking Gun you'd find in DeusEx... or something. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey*
Post #135,750 by dmcarls 1/14/04 4:44:37 PM Reply	Remember this company? Shares of Taser International closed at a record high Wednesday after the maker of stun guns declared a three-for-one stock split. The shares rose $14.50, or 14.3 percent, to $115.75, in their heaviest trading since Taser went public three years ago. Wish I had bought some when I posted my first message! Oh, well....
Post #135,751 by deSitter 1/14/04 4:47:29 PM Reply	Let's go with this Clearly, there are a lot more security people who need non-lethal force items. Let's invest in Pat Boone records. -drl
Post #135,809 by boxley 1/14/04 9:48:31 PM Reply	nonononono!!!!!!! AAARRGGGGHH!!!!!!! /me drops and shudders same old crap, con artists ripping off fools. Ah, hell, Catholic Church it start off that way. They All do. Jesus probably had three walnut shells one pea, then he's dead and can't be questioned, Gabriel Dupre questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #136,480 by inthane-chan 1/19/04 10:51:51 AM Reply	I prefer... ...[link\|http://www.jinglecats.com/mp3/meowy_listen.html\|"Meowy Christmas"] for my aural assaults. Imagine "O come all ye faithful," meowed, on repeat, for six hours straight. I have a blue sign on my door. It says "If this sign is red, you're moving too fast."
Post #136,481 by inthane-chan 1/19/04 10:52:09 AM Reply	Polka style too.
Post #124,391 by folkert 11/5/03 9:50:28 PM Reply	Rand-om thoughts... No, I have been fondling Firearms for 25 years... I have Qualified as a Marine Corp Rifle Expert and Pistol Export a few times. You learn Weapon safety relativly quickly when others in you Platoon get tackled and rifle-butted, when being unwieldy with your "loaded" rifle or pistol. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Pistol Whipped and I know it... s/Pistol/Pussy/
Post #124,402 by Yendor 11/5/03 10:38:17 PM Reply	Nope, just a believer. ...In my Constitutional right to [link\|http://www.keepandbeararms.com/\|keep and bear arms], that is. I'd rather be safe than sorry. The fact that statistics back up my belief that an armed populace is a safe populace (don't believe me? Check out [link\|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0226493644/qid=1068089524/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-7823115-0270444?v=glance&s=books\|More Guns, Less Crime]) doesn't hurt either. In short: Where criminals know that the populace isn't armed (like Britain), they run roughshod over said populace. Where criminals can't be sure (pick a state, any state, with a concealed carry law), they're not quite so cock-sure. Now, I've got 2 kids running around the house. Isn't that a problem, Mike? Nope, not in my eyes. Their mother knows that I own a gun, and has seen it. The kids, however, have not. They're 5 and 6. Much too young and immature to need to know. It's locked up in a safe. That only I know the combination to (their mother doesn't even know it, and she likes it that way.) -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #124,426 by pwhysall 11/6/03 3:10:13 AM Reply	Couple of points. 1. You're more likely to be robbed in the UK. True. 2. However, you're more likely to survive said robbing than in the USA. More Guns, Less Crime, More Dead People. Increasing the murder rate by 100x is not a price we're prepared to pay over here for less non-fatal crime. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #124,518 by mmoffitt 11/6/03 4:11:04 PM 11/6/03 4:13:09 PM Reply	Oh, Geez. Not that again! Edit: Added link, so you can read it yourself. ;-) ...my Constitutional right to keep and bear arms You don't have such a right. Read the Law. Read the USSC's rulings on the Law. See Miller in 1939 or Lewis in 1980, especially footnote 8, which reads, in part as follows: See United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174, 178 (1939) (the Second Amendment guarantees no right to keep and bear a firearm that does not have "some reasonable relationship to [445 U.S. 55, 66] the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia") [link\|http://www.constitution.org/ussc/445-055a.htm\|http://www.constitut...ussc/445-055a.htm] bcnu, Mikem Java, Junk. Both start with a "J", both have four letters. Coincidence? I think not. Edited by mmoffitt Nov. 6, 2003, 04:13:09 PM EST Expand All History
Post #124,522 by folkert 11/6/03 4:47:09 PM Reply	Well... I live in Michigan... /me looks around at the land... Nope not a Militia in Sight... Nope notta one. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey*
Post #124,613 by mmoffitt 11/7/03 12:07:42 PM Reply	Wasn't Terry somebody... of the Oklahoma City bombing from Michigan? I personally know a member of the Michigan Militia up in the UP. bcnu, Mikem Java, Junk. Both start with a "J", both have four letters. Coincidence? I think not.
Post #124,528 by Yendor 11/6/03 4:55:03 PM Reply	Miller case extremely doubtful ...and subject to overturning. [link\|http://www.keepandbeararms.com/Silveira/TenReasons.asp\|Read why]. From [link\|http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Amend.html\|the US Constitution's Amendments]: Article [II.] A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Let me repeat: The right of the people to keep and bear Arms. Sounds like a Constitutionally-guaranteed right to me. Again, to quote from [link\|http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Amend.html\|the same link]: Article XIV. Section 1. [...]No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States[...] So here we see that Federal law trumps State law. And Federal law (as quoted above) provides me the right to KABA. -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #124,540 by Yendor 11/6/03 5:36:35 PM Reply	Also, further reading on the definition of a Militia: [link\|http://www.keepandbeararms.com/news/nl/disp.asp?d=11/6/2003\|Link]. Second story down, as it currently stands. Title is "Right to bear arms isn\ufffdt in Second Amendment" -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #124,541 by ChrisR 11/6/03 5:41:06 PM Reply	Only two years left on my militia duty dang, I lose my militia rights when I turn 45. :-)
Post #124,565 by pwhysall 11/7/03 2:00:13 AM Reply	Point being... ...the constitution gives you the right to bear arms so that if needed, you can be part of said well regulated militia. It's a conditional right; you get to bear arms if you don't mind wielding said arms on the country's behalf. Sounds reasonable to me. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #124,612 by mmoffitt 11/7/03 12:05:45 PM Reply	Exactly. Contrary to our myths (mostly developed by Colt in 1800's) most colonists didn't have guns. There simply weren't that many around and "our" Army needed all they could get. So, hit the people up for them (what few they had anyway). AFA "subject to reversal", interestingly Miller has been cited at least twice in subsequent USSC cases as precedent for further restrictions on firearm ownership (the ban against felons carrying them and the assault rifle ban). Hardly sounds like reversal is in the picture - they passed on at least two opportunities already - with largely Reagan/Bush appointees at that! But take heart, Yendor, we do have a right to private firearm ownership. That is because the Bill of Rights is not an exhaustive list. Since private ownership of firearms having nothing to do with a State's militia is not contemplated by the Constitution, we have a right to private firearm ownership for as long as the Congress does not pass legislation prohibiting it. bcnu, Mikem Java, Junk. Both start with a "J", both have four letters. Coincidence? I think not.
Post #124,615 by mmoffitt 11/7/03 12:12:17 PM Reply	ROFL! Since 1939 the Miller case has been cited to support negative decisions in every federal circuit but the Fifth in Emerson. The Silveira cert petition exposes the poor reasoning of Miller thoroughly and asks that those parts of it that are historically and constitutionally wrong be overruled. Poorly reasoned? Would that be because the Justices can read? Think it's a coincidence the NRA quotes the amendment "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."? It's those little ...'s that give the NRA so much trouble. It's called context. Now, which argument is it again that is "poorly reasoned"? bcnu, Mikem Java, Junk. Both start with a "J", both have four letters. Coincidence? I think not.
Post #124,754 by boxley 11/8/03 4:21:51 PM Reply	arnt you the same guy that whined about the USSC and bush? "You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #124,905 by mmoffitt 11/10/03 9:08:47 AM Reply	They're supposed to determine the law, not elections. bcnu, Mikem Java, Junk. Both start with a "J", both have four letters. Coincidence? I think not.
Post #124,411 by Andrew Grygus 11/5/03 11:12:44 PM Reply	A government must live in fear . . . . of its citizens, or it gets entirely out of hand. That armaments have a similar effect on other unsavory elements is a bonus. It certainly isn't entertainment or the media in my case - my TV broke down in '58, I see about 1 movie every five years and I own no video games. I have only military weapons - I do not believe in hunting. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #124,415 by deSitter 11/5/03 11:20:07 PM Reply	Re: A government must live in fear . . You literally have had no television set since 1958? Amazing. They've really improved! -drl
Post #124,416 by folkert 11/5/03 11:24:06 PM Reply	No... they have not... Technologically... yes they have. Idealogically... No they have not. (IOW the content has gone to CRAP) Trash TV isn;t worth the time it gets, my wife is completely HOOKED on it. I am disgusted. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey*
Post #124,421 by deSitter 11/6/03 1:15:43 AM Reply	Re: No... they have not... Just tonight I saw a fascinating program on the Bismarck - James Cameron (Titanic) took a mini-sub and camera and scouted the wreck. One of a handful of survivors was onboard. For the first time, the fateful Swordfish torpedo strike was documented. No single piece of ordnance did more to win the war. There is tons of great stuff of TV, and even some decent entertainment once in a blue moon. And of course, football baseball and hockey :) -drl
Post #124,508 by ChrisR 11/6/03 2:45:13 PM Reply	I fear the other gun nuts more I grew up in relatively rural parts of American, so we carried around guns of the longarm kind, which were openly in plain sight. I own some six shotguns and 2 rifles (30-30 & .223) I use for hunting. Although I have a healthy respect for guns, I'm not a believer that they offer much protection. About the only scenario where I see they can useful would be to ward off stray looters in times of civil emergency (tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, etc)... Of course, there's a couple of things about guns that go with the territory. The obvious things like always treat a gun as if it's loaded. Also, if you pull a gun on someone, you better be prepared to kill that person, because if you flinch and the stakes are turned around, the perpetrator will not hesitate a single moment to use your own weapon against you. There are, after all, some people that pulling guns on just makes them more irritable. Finally, the most likely scenario that plays out in gun battle is that the persons in the altercation will know each other either directly or indirectly. Domestic quarrels or fiendish friends (or acquantances of your offspring). You are much more likely to be robbed by someone you know, then someone you don't. Maybe you think they deserve to die, but bare that in mind.

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