Post #77,830
1/29/03 12:42:45 PM
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I downloaded it
but I have not installed it yet. I am trying to figure out from the web sites exactly how it works, and I got confused. So I put it aside and started looking for something else.
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Post #77,870
1/29/03 3:05:52 PM
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Don't give up so easily
Read the free books. Installation is pretty easy. There's the vm (platform specific), then you need an image, sources, and changeset file (all portable).
Try it again - ask me questions if you want or do it on the mailing list. People will help you.
I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customer got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more.
--Alan Perlis
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Post #77,939
1/29/03 6:44:11 PM
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You have to understand
if I can remember to comb my hair, I'm having a good day. Most of the time I forget to comb my hair, or I pick clothes that have stains on them or holes. Due to the nature of my mental illness, sometimes doing even simple things can be a big challege. Today I took my son to school, my wife usually lays out the clothes for him, this morning I could not find them so I went to the dresser and got some new ones out, or so I thought. When I picked him up today, his pants had two holes in the knees. Also there was the clothes, piled for him, on the desk in our bedroom, which apparently I either missed or overlooked.
Have I explained my mental condition and my disability good enough yet? Not imagine the same problems when trying to understand or install a new language? One that clearly says it is confusing to novices.
If it doesn't have a setup-wizard and a walk through tutorial, of course I am going to get easily confused and give up at times. Read books? I can barely read the posts on this forum, how in the heck am I supposed to read a dozen or so e-books to figure out how to work in this environment? I downloaded a few, and it was like reading Greek. I think I ran the Squeak program from the Zip file, what I thought was the setup program, but it was squeak.exe and all it did was open up two more windows, one which said a word of caution that it may be confusing for novices, and the other was like just blah-blah-blah as far as I could comprehend it. No setup wizard, and the readme.txt while 24K in size, does not format well in Notepad, and I cannot figure out right now how to put it into Wordpard or Word to get the text formatting correct. Do I just unzip these files into a directory and then run the squeak.exe program (my best guess?) or is there an installer that I missed downloading somewhere? I cannot quite figure this out, no lie! My brain that that much bumfuzzeled right now, due to the illness. A year or two ago, I may have been able to figure it out, but now, I am not so sure.
I read the Bank Account tutorial online and it scared me, I am not sure if I can handle a language like that. I'll try, maybe once I get a good day and I can focus on more than one thing at a time, I might be able to figure it out.
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Post #77,947
1/29/03 7:23:29 PM
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You have just given intelligible reasons for
beginning in some other field. Almost any other field.
Haven't you?
Then:
LISTEN to your own cogent words! Re-Read Them.
Search for an "Attitude Inventory" test; take it. See what those who play in the field of psych - think. There are millions! of 'things' to 'do' - surely a half dozen are worth actually looking into [?] Those 'tests' are exist for there being a Fact: most of us are not particularly good at self-evaluation. Y'know?
Treat these machines as Only 'fun' for a time; you might sometime want to and be able to come back to them - you have shown that you cannot get paid for using them, just now. Your time spent on the web is simply a diversion from facing the prospect of something New. >Notice. This.<
You are not *stupid* and, your English syntax can be very good [a genuine + in anything] - irrelevant about the typos, but it means that, for $ you will have to use a spell check, regularly. And initially - have someone edit too.
[We All would do better if everyone had an Editor. Everyone!]
Save the surfing for dessert = AFTER you have eaten your spinach.
Luck..
Ashton
[This is Not an attack, in case that is not perfectly clear]
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Post #78,097
1/30/03 1:48:12 PM
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Another feild
I looked for an aptitude test, but they are not free and I am not in a position to pay for one yet.
The only thing I know to do is work with computers, and that ability has been dimished somewhat by the illness. The only things I can do really well is read and write email, participate on forums, and do a search for new things and ask questions to others. Other than that, I am having a great difficulty doing things that once were easy for me.
Right now I couldn't even handle a fast food job, I'd be fired in a week or two for not going fast enough. I don't have the observation skills to be a security guard. My inability to smile stops me from being in customer service. I cannot be a writer unless I get someone to edit my mistakes, even a spell checker cannot spot every problem with my writing, words could be spelled right but in the wrong order or the wrong word is used like "were" instead of "where".
The only one thing I could possibly do is be an Electrion Judge and hand out ballots and put them in the security box when the voters are done with them, or check their ID card for the correct address etc. But elections only happen once every few months. 16 hours for one day, and $100, and that is all. Not even sure if I could handle that anymore, but it is very easy to do.
Maybe I should have taken the ECT treatments? Nothing to lose but my memory, right?
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Post #78,120
1/30/03 4:24:42 PM
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Well there's a start
I think I ran the Squeak program from the Zip file, what I thought was the setup program, but it was squeak.exe and all it did was open up two more windows, one which said a word of caution that it may be confusing for novices, and the other was like just blah-blah-blah as far as I could comprehend it. No setup wizard, and the readme.txt while 24K in size, does not format well in Notepad, and I cannot figure out right now how to put it into Wordpard or Word to get the text formatting correct. Do I just unzip these files into a directory and then run the squeak.exe program (my best guess?) or is there an installer that I missed downloading somewhere? I cannot quite figure this out, no lie!
It sounds like you succeeded in getting it running - unzipped the files and there should have been 4 files I think. One Squeak.exe, one ending in .image (thats your memory image), a .sources file, and a .changes (I think). Generally the .image is your "project" file - open that with Squeak.exe.
The readme is read in Squeak itself - its one of the windows I think. I agree its a bit intimidating. You should also have seen the Squeak mouse following your mouse pointer around with its eyes - yes?
Squeak uses popup menus that you get by cliking in an empty spot in the squeak desktop (the main squeak window - make it as large as you can). First thing I would do is click in an empty part of the squeak desktop and open the menu - select "save as" and pick a project name. The original image file you use as a template for new projects - always save as something else when you are going to start something.
Try a simple web app - here's how you get your setup wizards...
Click in the squeak desktop to open the main menu and select "open...".
Another menu opens immediately, select "Package Loader" - it will ask if you want to install SqueakMap. SqueakMap is kinda like cpan for perl or debian package loader. All the packages live on a central server and you can select one and say "install".
Once you get the package loader window with all the packages, you can do several different things - depending on what you want to do.
I suggest you try doing a simple web app. Which means you need Commanche (a web server) and Seaside. If you select Commanche in the package browser list, then alt-click in that list you should get a popup menu saying "install". Do that. Then select Seaside and install that.
Now go to [link|http://www.beta4.com/seaside2/|http://www.beta4.com/seaside2/] and click on the link to the tutorial.
It will tell you how to start the app server and play with the sample applications. Plus, from here on out you can develop from the web browser if you like.
Good luck.
I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customer got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more.
--Alan Perlis
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