Post #77,652
1/28/03 8:37:18 PM
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I'm spoiled by the VB IDE
are there any languages for Linux and Windows that have a free IDE like Visual BASIC has? Yes I am considering Kylix, as soon as I get the Linux box up and running. I may have to buy a new box to run Linux if I cannot get it to run on my current ones. Maybe a new hard drive and just split it up between Windows and Linux and then just reboot it? Or reformat my Windows 2000 Server as a Linux server (There goes my ASP development if I do that).
I was looking at new languages to learn, but I think that I would need some sort of IDE to work with as well, like Visual BASIC has. I wouldn't mind learning Smalltalk if it had an IDE I could work with and drag and drop objects, etc, on it. I would much rather that I use a language that creates stand alone programs than one that creates byte code that has to be run in a Virtual Machine. I want something that could be sold as a project eventually. Something I could make money off of.
Whatever happened to that list of programs that Linux really needs? Mostly business apps, and what kind of programs that Linux needs to get a better footing in the business market.
I could just do Java or Smalltalk, but then there is the idea of getting people to use the virtual machine to run the code.
The IDE would make is easier for me to adapt to, less thinking to just "paint" the forms and other things that would be used, rather than create it by code.
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Post #77,661
1/28/03 9:09:44 PM
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Norm, this does NOT count as improvement
If you really are so short on clues, you can at least pretend.
Please?
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #77,834
1/29/03 12:48:08 PM
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I am having a problem finding the right language tool
what I have found so far has been confusing (Sqeak, etc), or a free trial to a more expensive product that I cannot afford (Delphi, etc). So I am looking for alternatives to those already mentioned.
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Post #77,963
1/29/03 8:42:17 PM
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Did you notice the irony?
Let me offer you a loose translation of your original question: "Where can I find free stuff which I don't have to work to understand so that I can charge other people money? And by the way, where is the list of easy things to charge them for?"
Even if I had an answer to that, the way that you asked it would put me off.
But I don't have an answer to that. Any Linux tool will involve learning something new, and based on past experience, you will refuse to do that. Plus even if you did learn it, the things that Linux needs that aren't there need some actual elbow grease and often multiple cooperating skillsets to provide (else they would be done). And you will have to do some real work to come up with something that someone else won't just give away for free because they found it fun to produce. (Funny how open source folks are about doing things like that.)
The answer is that if you expect to just get a free development environment that you are already productive in, putter around for a bit, and then not have to work, you are setting yourself up for failure. Again.
Regards,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #78,098
1/30/03 1:54:28 PM
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All I want
is something I could work with that given my situation would be easy enough to do something with. My requrements are:
#1 That it fits my budget, for now my budget is $0 as I am not earning an income and may lose the house if I buy too much stuff.
#2 That it is easy enough to use. I want something that is as easy to use as Visual BASIC is. That means setup wizards, online tutorials, and something that is going to help me learn the language without having to read a dozen books or so.
#3 I also need something that I can eventually make a program off of that can be sold later. I'll worry about marketing later.
I want to produce something so I can feel better about myself, so I can feel like I can still write programs. It may be possible that I can no longer write programs given my current mental state, but I got to keep on trying.
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Post #78,100
1/30/03 2:04:16 PM
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Given your constraints
There are really only two choices: Kylix is, to the best of my knowledge, free for non-commercial use. The Delphi interface is gooder than the vaunted VB interface.
The more pertinent question, though, is why don't you just Visual Basic to write applications? Lot's of useful things can be accomplished in VB. Since you already know it and love it, i.e. why do you wish to transition to a different language/environment. Or more to the point, what specifically is your problem with using VB?
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Post #78,168
1/30/03 6:55:41 PM
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His problem is simple
He wants to sell programs that run under Linux.
VB doesn't run under Linux.
Perhaps he is a candidate for mono?
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #78,220
1/30/03 9:50:49 PM
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Quite
One thing about UNIX - every good and bad idea has assumed a permanent form - so there is an vast open world of things to explore.
If he wants what you state - then KDE/Qt/C++ with slots/Parts should provide enough entertainment, particularly if paralleled with learning VC++/MFC, and some possibility of being employed.
-drl
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Post #78,329
1/31/03 7:32:32 AM
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OK - this is the thing - Norman Look HERE.
Remember Hypercard? This is Hypercard on steroids and its cross platform.
Simple programming language - visual design - run it on Linux, Mac OS X, Windows, whatever. There's a free starter version - somewhat limited - but it will cost money to get runtimes for various platforms.
[link|http://www.runrev.com/|http://www.runrev.com/]
It might be just your thing though.
Let us know how it works out.
I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customer got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more.
--Alan Perlis
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Post #78,354
1/31/03 10:19:11 AM
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That's exactly the same as Kylix / Delphi
That, too, is free for Linux (for GPLed apps) and costs a little (US$100 Personal, US$250 Proffesional) on Windows... And Norm is *such* a fucking cheapskate whiner that he can't even *consider* that; he wants it ALL for FREE, you see.
If I were Marlowe, I'd say, "I say:"
Hope he fucking starves to death.
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
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Post #78,570
1/31/03 11:09:25 PM
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But there are free things out there
it is just really hard to find them, which is why I've asked. See how I've found things like Revolution, Squeak, and others. I might just invest $100 in Delphi Personal after I've saved up some money, but right now I do not have the money to buy it. I won't have any until June, thanks to the five month waiting list for disability. Unless you'd rather I cheat Borland and visit Astalavista.com and search for a Delphi Trial Crack patch? Thought not, I'd rather pay for my software than pirate it.
I won't stave to death, if I have to I'll eat rice and eggs or rice and salt, to stay alive. I might just shed some pounds while I am at it. So far I have skipped a few meals every week or so. Or I just eat light, like one Yogurt, or a PBJ sandwhich, or a 59 cent can of soup or Spaghetti Rings, instead of a full meal. I even learned how to make a Poor Man's Pizza/Burrito by using flour tourtias, cheese, and lunchmeat and a Microwave. Just spread the cheese and lunch meat on the tourtia, and then heat for 2 minutes, and then eat as a Pizza or roll it over as a burrito. I can get all of this stuff at the "Stock Up Stores" like Aldi's or Save-A-Lot that sell food really cheap. I went from 280 pounds down to 258 now. I still can lose about 100 pounds before I get healthy again. Sometimes I splurge and heat up a frozen pizza. :)
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Post #78,567
1/31/03 11:00:34 PM
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Re: OK - this is the thing - Norman Look HERE.
Thanks I am downloading now and will take a look at it later.
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Post #78,565
1/31/03 10:53:44 PM
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It may be best if I wait
until my head clears up and I get used to the new medicine.
VB is nice, but yes I do eventually want to write Linux apps. Delphi/Kylix is also an option but I seem to have a hard time downloading the demo CD from Borland. Either their servers are slow, or my DSL ISP is crap. I can download the Squeak and VisualWorks Smalltalk files just fine, just not the Kylix or Delphi trials. I'll try again later on tonight for the Delphi trial using wget and see if that makes a difference.
I suppose I could use VB for now, but I cannot even think clear enough to write VB code. Sad but true.
I suppose I could write something in VB first, and then learn Smalltalk, or Delphi/Kylix and convert it later. Would that be ok?
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Post #77,949
1/29/03 7:31:49 PM
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If you read rest of the thread
you'll see that Norman has given a clear explanation of what he is capable of doing just now - and not.
Personally, I think that "writing clearly about how flaky I am currently performing", qualifies for forbearance.. a while.
Don't you? (Of course, he had not written that yet - when you commented)
Ashton
A little blood clot could put anyone in a similarly scary position.
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Post #77,958
1/29/03 8:27:00 PM
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I don't
Norm has been whining for ages about how he can't perform very well. This is not a change, and is not improvement. He has been doing that all along. And will keep on doing it until he gets a response.
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #78,099
1/30/03 1:58:07 PM
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Either way I lose
If I don't talk abiout my mental condition, and I try to do something new, I get made fun of and talked down to on here.
If I do talk about my mental condition as to why I cannot even get a program running, I get made fun of and talked down here anyway.
It makes me want to reconsider the choice I made on Nov 4th all over again.
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Post #78,119
1/30/03 4:22:12 PM
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STOP WHINING!
Shit or get off the toilet. You're INFURIATING!
LIFE IS HARD - GET USED TO IT - WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO EXPECT TO HAVE IT YOUR WAY? IF NOTHING ELSE, DO IT FOR YOUR FAMILY.
I want to hit you with a sock of manure. Grow the fuck up or get it the hell over with!
I'm trying to be your friend, and all you ever do is bitch and complain about poor little you! I'm gonna lose my goddamn leg! Can I have yours? Do you hear me whining about it?
-drl
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Post #78,566
1/31/03 10:56:42 PM
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It is hard
to shit or get off the toliet when you are constipated.
Your losing your leg, I'm losing my mind. I've give you my leg if it meant I could get my mind back. But you don't want my leg, too fat, it wouldn't fit in with your body type. I am sorry to hear that you could lose your leg, not sure what I could do about it. All I can do for now is pray for you.
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Post #78,571
1/31/03 11:09:52 PM
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look at the bright side
with 1/4 of your blood capacity gone your heart should last a lot longer. As long as it isnt the tripod they are thinking of chopping you will make out. Think of all the fun you can have in tough bars putting yer cigar out on the pegleg. Prayin for ya,
bill
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Murray Rothbard
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Post #78,576
1/31/03 11:18:26 PM
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One way to look at it
plus the artifical legs are more advanced these days, they got people running marathons wearing them. Plus it will not affect his work because he can still type and move around to get to one workstation to another.
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Post #78,984
2/3/03 4:16:13 PM
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Sorry to hear about the leg...
You've never mentioned it before... Not sure what to say - I wish you the best possible outcome, whatever it may be.
--
We have only 2 things to worry about: That
things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
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Post #79,030
2/3/03 6:53:22 PM
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Better today
I think it's got a few years left. They're gonna have to cut it off my crawling, trail-leaving body before I let it go!
I made it through without going to the hospital. When we go to the hospital here, we not only have to worry about our own finances, but those of our small-business co-workers, who are lucky even to have insurance, given that small businesses are quickly dropped or priced out of range by large insurance companies that hold all the cards. So by toughing it out, I made it possible for someone to use the limited credit we collectively get on a kid or a sick wife. Gotta take a few for the team.
Thanks for the concern. Maybe there will be replacement parts (spare veins) when the time comes to let ol' Peg go. If that happens, I'll bury it and throw a wake where everyone has to come dressed like a pirate or a wench.
-drl
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Post #79,044
2/3/03 7:33:11 PM
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I used to work with a guy who lost his arm
he had a fake arm, and he could type really well with just one hand. It was in a computer lab for a local community college. I'd go back there but they'd pay almost minimum wage and I am overqualified.
If you invite me to the wake, I'll rent a Long John Silver's costume or something. I wonder, will your leg be in Heaven waiting for the rest of you? I always wondered things like that, another question to pester the Pope with? :)
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Post #79,048
2/3/03 7:47:18 PM
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Lefty
Losing a leg will not be that big a deal. Better than being a charred torso.
-drl
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Post #79,411
2/5/03 12:28:36 AM
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Actually it was his left arm he lost
but I don't think it really mattered to him. He could do the job just as well as anyone could. He could even pull the paper off of the mainframe line printer without it ripping.
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Post #77,716
1/29/03 3:09:40 AM
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Sheesh... I've said this a zillion times already:
[link|http://www.borland.com/delphi/delphi_personal/index.html|http://www.borland.c...rsonal/index.html]
Now POAD, or at least STFU.
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
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Post #77,831
1/29/03 12:44:19 PM
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Re: Sheesh... I've said this a zillion times already:
I know I know, but it is not free, except for a time limited trial.
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Post #78,309
1/31/03 4:12:04 AM
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NOTHING in life is "free", you goddam stupid whiner!
Now shut the fuck UP, already!
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
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Post #78,572
1/31/03 11:11:23 PM
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Yes it is
the air we breathe, the sunlight we absorb, all free. Some things in life are free, you just have to look for them.
Why pay for air to breathe when there is free air out there? Why should I buy air-tanks? Why get a tanning bed when I can soak up the sunlight for free?
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Post #79,773
2/6/03 3:48:44 AM
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CRC would make such a great mental therapist
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Post #79,774
2/6/03 3:56:10 AM
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Oh, I'm "mental" all right, but "a therapist"? :-)
Here's hoping you didn't mean "ah, the rapist", at least...
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(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
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Post #79,858
2/6/03 12:30:15 PM
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More like the reverse of one
whatever the reverse of a great mental therapist is. :)
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Post #77,942
1/29/03 6:56:36 PM
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I have had nightmares about that
going to the local St. Louis Delphi User's group and a bunch of Vikings telling me to POAD and STFU and throwing Delphi trial disks at me, and telling me to "Learn a real language!" or "Go back to Visual BASIC you Dockers wearing dork!". That is the image of the Delphi Developer that you have put into my mind currently.
All they had for the Delphi 7 trial download was "Architect Trial" and of course I had to register an account with Borland, answer 20 questions, and tell them not to spam me, and then they will email me a registration key to unlock the CD for the trial peroid. Once that is over, I am sure someone is going to call me from Borland and ask me if I want to buy a copy. Of course, knowing my fincial situation, I wouldn't be able to afford the $100 or $300 or whatever they want for the full version (non-trial unlock code or whatever) because I don't get a disability check until June 2003, and my wife has to work extra over time so we don't lose the house until then.
So I am downloading the trial, and registering for the code. I will at least give it a try, unlike Squeak, I think Delphi 7 has a setup wizard and a built in tutorial that should be easier for me to find or get to.
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Post #77,960
1/29/03 8:34:13 PM
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Another free Smalltalk
Try [link|http://www.cincom.com/scripts/smalltalk.dll/downloads/index.ssp?content=smalltalk|VisualWorks]. It's free for non-commercial use. You do have to register, but, on the plus side, you get a CD image that has real setup in it. CD actually has 2 Smalltalk environments: VisualWorks and ObjectStudio. I only tried VisualWorks. Take your pick.
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Post #77,743
1/29/03 8:15:59 AM
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What happened with Squeak?
You can do real apps with it. The app is an image. You can make an app wrapper that autoloads the image and then - presto - its an app.
I suggest you get Squeak running and then load up Jacaranda. Its a visual modeling tool. Nice start. You can do real stuff with that.
Or if you like web apps - seaside is truly the most amazing web app development environment I have ever seen - the browser is your ide. You can sell such an app running headless.
I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customer got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more.
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Post #77,830
1/29/03 12:42:45 PM
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I downloaded it
but I have not installed it yet. I am trying to figure out from the web sites exactly how it works, and I got confused. So I put it aside and started looking for something else.
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Post #77,870
1/29/03 3:05:52 PM
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Don't give up so easily
Read the free books. Installation is pretty easy. There's the vm (platform specific), then you need an image, sources, and changeset file (all portable).
Try it again - ask me questions if you want or do it on the mailing list. People will help you.
I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customer got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more.
--Alan Perlis
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Post #77,939
1/29/03 6:44:11 PM
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You have to understand
if I can remember to comb my hair, I'm having a good day. Most of the time I forget to comb my hair, or I pick clothes that have stains on them or holes. Due to the nature of my mental illness, sometimes doing even simple things can be a big challege. Today I took my son to school, my wife usually lays out the clothes for him, this morning I could not find them so I went to the dresser and got some new ones out, or so I thought. When I picked him up today, his pants had two holes in the knees. Also there was the clothes, piled for him, on the desk in our bedroom, which apparently I either missed or overlooked.
Have I explained my mental condition and my disability good enough yet? Not imagine the same problems when trying to understand or install a new language? One that clearly says it is confusing to novices.
If it doesn't have a setup-wizard and a walk through tutorial, of course I am going to get easily confused and give up at times. Read books? I can barely read the posts on this forum, how in the heck am I supposed to read a dozen or so e-books to figure out how to work in this environment? I downloaded a few, and it was like reading Greek. I think I ran the Squeak program from the Zip file, what I thought was the setup program, but it was squeak.exe and all it did was open up two more windows, one which said a word of caution that it may be confusing for novices, and the other was like just blah-blah-blah as far as I could comprehend it. No setup wizard, and the readme.txt while 24K in size, does not format well in Notepad, and I cannot figure out right now how to put it into Wordpard or Word to get the text formatting correct. Do I just unzip these files into a directory and then run the squeak.exe program (my best guess?) or is there an installer that I missed downloading somewhere? I cannot quite figure this out, no lie! My brain that that much bumfuzzeled right now, due to the illness. A year or two ago, I may have been able to figure it out, but now, I am not so sure.
I read the Bank Account tutorial online and it scared me, I am not sure if I can handle a language like that. I'll try, maybe once I get a good day and I can focus on more than one thing at a time, I might be able to figure it out.
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Post #77,947
1/29/03 7:23:29 PM
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You have just given intelligible reasons for
beginning in some other field. Almost any other field.
Haven't you?
Then:
LISTEN to your own cogent words! Re-Read Them.
Search for an "Attitude Inventory" test; take it. See what those who play in the field of psych - think. There are millions! of 'things' to 'do' - surely a half dozen are worth actually looking into [?] Those 'tests' are exist for there being a Fact: most of us are not particularly good at self-evaluation. Y'know?
Treat these machines as Only 'fun' for a time; you might sometime want to and be able to come back to them - you have shown that you cannot get paid for using them, just now. Your time spent on the web is simply a diversion from facing the prospect of something New. >Notice. This.<
You are not *stupid* and, your English syntax can be very good [a genuine + in anything] - irrelevant about the typos, but it means that, for $ you will have to use a spell check, regularly. And initially - have someone edit too.
[We All would do better if everyone had an Editor. Everyone!]
Save the surfing for dessert = AFTER you have eaten your spinach.
Luck..
Ashton
[This is Not an attack, in case that is not perfectly clear]
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Post #78,097
1/30/03 1:48:12 PM
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Another feild
I looked for an aptitude test, but they are not free and I am not in a position to pay for one yet.
The only thing I know to do is work with computers, and that ability has been dimished somewhat by the illness. The only things I can do really well is read and write email, participate on forums, and do a search for new things and ask questions to others. Other than that, I am having a great difficulty doing things that once were easy for me.
Right now I couldn't even handle a fast food job, I'd be fired in a week or two for not going fast enough. I don't have the observation skills to be a security guard. My inability to smile stops me from being in customer service. I cannot be a writer unless I get someone to edit my mistakes, even a spell checker cannot spot every problem with my writing, words could be spelled right but in the wrong order or the wrong word is used like "were" instead of "where".
The only one thing I could possibly do is be an Electrion Judge and hand out ballots and put them in the security box when the voters are done with them, or check their ID card for the correct address etc. But elections only happen once every few months. 16 hours for one day, and $100, and that is all. Not even sure if I could handle that anymore, but it is very easy to do.
Maybe I should have taken the ECT treatments? Nothing to lose but my memory, right?
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1/30/03 4:24:42 PM
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Well there's a start
I think I ran the Squeak program from the Zip file, what I thought was the setup program, but it was squeak.exe and all it did was open up two more windows, one which said a word of caution that it may be confusing for novices, and the other was like just blah-blah-blah as far as I could comprehend it. No setup wizard, and the readme.txt while 24K in size, does not format well in Notepad, and I cannot figure out right now how to put it into Wordpard or Word to get the text formatting correct. Do I just unzip these files into a directory and then run the squeak.exe program (my best guess?) or is there an installer that I missed downloading somewhere? I cannot quite figure this out, no lie!
It sounds like you succeeded in getting it running - unzipped the files and there should have been 4 files I think. One Squeak.exe, one ending in .image (thats your memory image), a .sources file, and a .changes (I think). Generally the .image is your "project" file - open that with Squeak.exe.
The readme is read in Squeak itself - its one of the windows I think. I agree its a bit intimidating. You should also have seen the Squeak mouse following your mouse pointer around with its eyes - yes?
Squeak uses popup menus that you get by cliking in an empty spot in the squeak desktop (the main squeak window - make it as large as you can). First thing I would do is click in an empty part of the squeak desktop and open the menu - select "save as" and pick a project name. The original image file you use as a template for new projects - always save as something else when you are going to start something.
Try a simple web app - here's how you get your setup wizards...
Click in the squeak desktop to open the main menu and select "open...".
Another menu opens immediately, select "Package Loader" - it will ask if you want to install SqueakMap. SqueakMap is kinda like cpan for perl or debian package loader. All the packages live on a central server and you can select one and say "install".
Once you get the package loader window with all the packages, you can do several different things - depending on what you want to do.
I suggest you try doing a simple web app. Which means you need Commanche (a web server) and Seaside. If you select Commanche in the package browser list, then alt-click in that list you should get a popup menu saying "install". Do that. Then select Seaside and install that.
Now go to [link|http://www.beta4.com/seaside2/|http://www.beta4.com/seaside2/] and click on the link to the tutorial.
It will tell you how to start the app server and play with the sample applications. Plus, from here on out you can develop from the web browser if you like.
Good luck.
I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customer got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more.
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