Here's another one for you, Rick!

Post #125,534 by Nightowl 11/13/03 4:40:44 PM Reply	Here's another one for you, Rick! Okay, since I can't seem to read Karsten's email attachment yet, I'll take care of this loose end instead. Owl wrote:>>You repeating over and over that it was a dumb idea in the first place to expect him to ask...<< Rick wrote:>>Incorrect. I didn't say this even once. You might want to re-read.<< Instances where you said expecting Karsten to ask was dumb: FIRST ONE Bill Patient wrote:>>However, the readership reacted to the first instance quickly and imo didn't leave alot of ambiguity...Karsten was asked to not do it again.<< Rick wrote:>>When one person makes a dumb and meritless request of me, I ignore it. When ten others join him, I ignore ten people. A hundred people ask? I ignore a hundred people. Perhaps your policy differs?<< SECOND ONE Brad wrote:>>What part of "please don't do it again" was unclear the first time?<< Rick wrote:>>What part of "it was dumb" was unclear at any time?<< THIRD ONE Brad wrote:>>We went through this once before.<< Rick wrote:>>And it was dumb then.<< All of these were taken from the November Archives on the mailing list. Nightowl >8# "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum" Comment by Nightowl
Post #125,542 by ChrisR 11/13/03 5:02:16 PM Reply	Personally, I wish 1). That the noise over the incident would evaporate. 2). Karsten would come back. His is a voice that I don't relish going away - IMHO, he's a top notch open source advocate. 3). Solve the problem: Set up an email account for iwethey.org as some have suggested for the purpose that Karsten proposed. I think Karsten has a valid idea. Still, it's probably best not to bother the vtlug.org list with such things. Perhaps your analysis can be used to further these ends. But I'm not one that particularly cares to assess blame. Either there's a solution or there's not. But that's problem just the boolean logic coming from the programmer in me.
Post #125,543 by Nightowl 11/13/03 5:04:40 PM Reply	Re: Personally, I wish 1). That the noise over the incident would evaporate. I hope so too. I think I covered the last thing Rick demanded me to validate. 2). Karsten would come back. His is a voice that I don't relish going away - IMHO, he's a top notch open source advocate. I wish he would come back too, and that I could find out what the message was he tried to send to me. 3). Solve the problem: Set up an email account for iwethey.org as some have suggested for the purpose that Karsten proposed. I think Karsten has a valid idea. Still, it's probably best not to bother the vtlug.org list with such things. I hope that can happen too. Perhaps your analysis can be used to further these ends. But I'm not one that particularly cares to assess blame. Either there's a solution or there's not. But that's problem just the boolean logic coming from the programmer in me. I'm NOT trying to assess blame whatsoever. I have not even given a position on the original mess, I was just challenged by Rick to explain where my views were taken from, and I answered that challenge. I'm done, next move is Rick's. Nightowl >8# "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum" Comment by Nightowl
Post #125,557 by bepatient 11/13/03 6:59:56 PM Reply	That has alwas been the consensus 3). Solve the problem: Set up an email account for iwethey.org as some have suggested for the purpose that Karsten proposed. I think Karsten has a valid idea. Still, it's probably best not to bother the vtluug.org list with such things. Its easier to remember and it eliminates the need to have 50-odd people get confirmation messages they don't want. As long as iwethey.org remains intact, that account remains active. Even Rick has stated he would have done it this way. It is a technically superior solution in that... 1) Its easier for the users 2) Its standard addressing aligns with the web presence 3) Noone need see anything until Karsten has updated his resource list, at whcih point he can post once to the boards and once to the list to inform of any updates. Karsten does alot for this community and I know he considered this another valuable resource...and all the noise was not about anything other than methodology. I don't even pretend to understand the reaction. But I have been put in my place and will remain there until told otherwise. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #125,595 by folkert 11/13/03 10:17:04 PM Reply	This... iwethey@iwethey.org has been a valid e-mail address since March 14, 2003. Any ideas as to we can do with it? -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey*
Post #125,607 by bepatient 11/13/03 10:42:10 PM Reply	One or 2 things come to mind. Smartypants. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #125,619 by ChrisR 11/13/03 11:33:55 PM Reply	Any way to set up a web page... ...that echoes the messages received at that account?
Post #125,627 by folkert 11/13/03 11:51:39 PM Reply	Maybe... We shall see. Have to be Next week. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey*

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