December incident with Karsten and Aberdeen:

Rick wrote:>>This is now the third time I'm asking you to show me where previously Karsten abused his listadmin access.<<

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Date: 7 Dec 2002 01:51:23 -0000
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PLEASE CONFIRM: Aberdeen Group Registration
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THANKS for registering to receive e-mail subscriptions from Aberdeen Group.
In order to protect our subscribers from spam emails, we ask that
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CONFIRM BY EMAIL -> JUST REPLY
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From static@yceran.org Fri Dec 6 22:46:57 2002
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 14:52:17 +1100
To: iwe@vtluug.org
From: Wade Bowmer <static@yceran.org>
Subject: Re: [Iwe] Thank You

What's this rubbish and why has it let a mailing list successfully subscribe?

Wade.
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From bbarclay@jsyncmanager.org Fri Dec 6 23:01:42 2002
To: "iwe@vtluug.org" <iwe@vtluug.org>
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 21:56:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Iwe] Aberdeen Group Registration Confirmation - Please REPLY

On 7 Dec 2002 01:51:23 -0000, Aberdeen Group wrote:
Hey Everyone:

>THANKS for registering to receive e-mail subscriptions from Aberdeen Group.
>In order to protect our subscribers from spam emails, we ask that
>you confirm your registration:

\tWTF is this crap? Who registered this mailing list to receive
this stuff?

\tWhomever it was, I'm not particularily happy about it. If I
wanted their junk, I'd register for it myself.
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From karsten@guildenstern.dyndns.org Sun Dec 8 02:45:45 2002
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 07:54:26 +0000
From: "Karsten M. Self" <kmself@ix.netcom.com>
To: "iwe@vtluug.org" <iwe@vtluug.org>
Subject: Re: [Iwe] Aberdeen Group Registration Confirmation - Please REPLY

I signed for an Aberdeen Group password. Their posts won't hit the list
unless the sending address is subscribed. I manually approved the conf
messages.

I'll track down the unsub info when I'm tired of manually kicking any
posts that come from their address.

Karsten M. Self <kmself@ix.netcom.com> [link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]
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From ronelson@vt.edu Sun Dec 8 05:18:20 2002
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 05:23:44 -0500
From: Rob Nelson <ronelson@vt.edu>
To: "Karsten M. Self" <kmself@ix.netcom.com>, iwe <iwe@vtluug.org>
Subject: RE: [Iwe] Aberdeen Group Registration Confirmation - Please REPLY

Is there a *reason* that it's being sent to the list?

Rob Nelson
ronelson@vt.edu
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From static@yceran.org Sun Dec 8 05:41:13 2002
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 21:46:43 +1100
To: "iwe@vtluug.org" <iwe@vtluug.org>
From: Wade Bowmer <static@yceran.org>
Subject: Re: [Iwe] Aberdeen Group Registration Confirmation - Please

Okay, now why is this useful? And why did you see fit to subscribe the list
to them without consulting the other people subscribed to this list? I'm
sorry, but I wasn't aware it was your personal mail list, Karsten.
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(SKIPPED IRRELEVANT POST, KARSTEN ANSWERS ROB)
From karsten@guildenstern.dyndns.org Sun Dec 8 17:47:59 2002
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:56:48 +0000
From: "Karsten M. Self" <kmself@ix.netcom.com>
To: iwe <iwe@vtluug.org>
Subject: Re: [Iwe] Aberdeen Group Registration Confirmation - Please REPLY

This list (or specifically: the administrator approval dialog, which is
where the messages will end up) is being used as the contact point for
this aberdeen account. Most significanlty, if there's a need to get a
password reset or reminder sent, it will go to a known address.

I subscribed to Aberdeen as one of several free-for-use-but-registration-
required systems (The New York Times, LA Times, etc., are others).
Aberdeen doesn't allow the iwethey/iwethey id/passphrase the key is
email/passphrase -- iwethey@vtluug.org/iwethey.

Peace.
Karsten M. Self <kmself@ix.netcom.com> [link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]
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(SEVERAL MESSAGES ABOUT THE ISSUE-- SNIPPED)
From ronelson@vt.edu Sun Dec 8 23:20:41 2002
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:26:13 -0500
To: "Karsten M. Self" <kmself@ix.netcom.com>,
Subject: RE: [Iwe] Re: Aberdeen Group Registration Confirmation - Please REPLY

FWIW, please remember that this mailing list and the forums do NOT overlap
100%. There are people on the boards that aren't here, and people on here that
aren't on the boards. And, as a fellow list admin, in the future try and let
at least me know what's up :)

Sorry to hear about your problems, Karsten. If there's anything I can do
(aside from make this my last comment in this thread!) let me know.

Rob Nelson
ronelson@vt.edu
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Rick, do you need more? There's a lot more. This clearly proves that Karsten had done this before, and is not gossip, it comes straight from the archives.

Nightowl >8#

P.S. Now I have some important things to do to get ready for therapy today, so I'll deal with the other parts I promised to research, later.