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Post #95,318 by drewk 4/9/03 9:12:47 AM Reply	You're half right People (generally) don't like government very much. People don't like when the government tells them how to live their lives, but they seem to relish in the ability to use government to tell the other guy how to live his life. === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #95,456 by Ashton 4/9/03 4:53:16 PM Reply	Bingo. Nobody ever said 'we' were consistent - just logicians.
Post #95,457 by inthane-chan 4/9/03 4:55:44 PM Reply	Brin talks about this at length in "The Transparent Society" Highly suggested reading. Trust me. After 9/11, Bush made two statements: 1. "Terrorists hate America because America is a land of freedom and opportunity." 2. "We intend to attack the root causes of terrorism." Sounds like everything is going according to plan.
Post #95,958 by Ashton 4/11/03 2:11:52 AM Reply	Think I've heard this extrapolation - re privacy, but will put it on list for lib. time. And you might enjoy (or choke on) the er masterful interpolations within The Light of Other Days, Arthur C. Clarke & Stephen Baxter through the development of the "worm cam" and --> Onwards. If science 'fiction' is best when it addresses and extrapolates trends ~ believably: well ... we ARE a species of voyeurs, after all is said and obfuscated. Hmm, where'd you get That birthmark, Suzy? S'OK -- we Could get used to flying naked, you know ;-) Hell.. it might even break the Puritan death-grip on the Murican psyche! After all, the handshake originated as evidence of a naked arms-free "hand". Techno now lets us hide nastier small weapons almost anywhere.. And so it goes. Ashton

On exporting corporate culture... - (admin) - (44) - April 8, 2003, 06:45:00 PM EDT

Well as being an generalization - (boxley) - (3) - April 8, 2003, 07:09:42 PM EDT

Huh... Guess we're looking at a revolution here... - (inthane-chan) - (1) - April 8, 2003, 07:11:03 PM EDT

naw, racial infighting lets the pressure off - (boxley) - April 8, 2003, 07:12:40 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (drewk) - April 9, 2003, 09:00:44 AM EDT

General agreement, but there are always exceptions. - (Another Scott) - (7) - April 8, 2003, 09:22:39 PM EDT

Re: General agreement, but there are always exceptions. - (admin) - (2) - April 8, 2003, 09:41:36 PM EDT

Pax Romana looked different from the ground - (rcareaga) - (1) - April 8, 2003, 11:14:03 PM EDT

Understand, I'm not making a moral statement. - (admin) - April 8, 2003, 11:22:14 PM EDT

You're half right - (drewk) - (3) - April 9, 2003, 09:12:47 AM EDT

Bingo. - (Ashton) - (2) - April 9, 2003, 04:53:16 PM EDT

Brin talks about this at length in "The Transparent Society" - (inthane-chan) - (1) - April 9, 2003, 04:55:44 PM EDT

Think I've heard this extrapolation - - (Ashton) - April 11, 2003, 02:11:52 AM EDT

Not an endorsement of the "corporate mindset"? - (mmoffitt) - (22) - April 8, 2003, 10:01:46 PM EDT

I'm not entirely convinced about the whole... - (inthane-chan) - (5) - April 8, 2003, 10:17:42 PM EDT

turn the fan on :) - (boxley) - (4) - April 8, 2003, 10:44:38 PM EDT

You're a good man, Bill. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2) - April 8, 2003, 10:47:55 PM EDT

na, If I was single she could have earned the rent :) -NT - (boxley) - (1) - April 8, 2003, 10:50:20 PM EDT

Ah, but you're not and offered help anyway. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - April 8, 2003, 10:52:00 PM EDT

Well done, my friend. -NT - (mmoffitt) - April 9, 2003, 01:05:12 PM EDT

Economics != capitalism - (admin) - (7) - April 8, 2003, 10:33:40 PM EDT

Communism=economic model -NT - (boxley) - (4) - April 8, 2003, 10:45:59 PM EDT

What's your point? -NT - (admin) - (3) - April 8, 2003, 10:46:36 PM EDT

pointing out that Mike is not slinging plattitudes - (boxley) - (2) - April 8, 2003, 10:49:48 PM EDT

Communism is first and foremost an economic model - (admin) - (1) - April 8, 2003, 10:55:25 PM EDT

fair enuff -NT - (boxley) - April 8, 2003, 11:00:58 PM EDT

Read any anthropology? - (Ashton) - (1) - April 9, 2003, 04:28:09 AM EDT

Yes. - (admin) - April 9, 2003, 09:11:37 AM EDT

provenance of profit - (rcareaga) - (2) - April 8, 2003, 10:52:01 PM EDT

eh? Ive got nought against communism - (boxley) - (1) - April 8, 2003, 11:19:24 PM EDT

Exactly. Communism doesn't recognize that humans are selfish - (admin) - April 8, 2003, 11:24:11 PM EDT

let rearrange the words a tad - (boxley) - (1) - April 8, 2003, 11:27:01 PM EDT

Which brings us to the Information Devolution - (Ashton) - April 9, 2003, 03:15:05 AM EDT

Do you have kids? - (drewk) - (2) - April 9, 2003, 09:48:57 AM EDT

My thoughts were along those lines as well. - (Another Scott) - (1) - April 9, 2003, 10:46:56 AM EDT

he has kids and we have discussed this before - (boxley) - April 9, 2003, 11:04:18 AM EDT

hmm..let the ripping begin? - (Simon_Jester) - (8) - April 8, 2003, 10:49:18 PM EDT

Good point. - (admin) - (7) - April 8, 2003, 11:00:36 PM EDT

This is why I have trouble with cute logic - (Ashton) - (6) - April 9, 2003, 03:31:51 AM EDT

Nice strawman. - (admin) - (5) - April 9, 2003, 09:14:30 AM EDT

Still, and consistently - (Ashton) - (4) - April 9, 2003, 04:50:34 PM EDT

Hand waving, IMO. -NT - (admin) - (3) - April 9, 2003, 04:52:54 PM EDT

Yours is the correct thesis in one place - - (Ashton) - (2) - April 9, 2003, 05:09:39 PM EDT

Says who? - (admin) - (1) - April 9, 2003, 05:19:22 PM EDT

OK you win on semantics - - (Ashton) - April 9, 2003, 08:48:38 PM EDT

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