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Post #40,575 by Arkadiy 5/30/02 2:59:53 PM 5/30/02 3:01:36 PM Reply	No. Library does. The books in the library are still someone's property, even if that someone is a city or a church. If I decide to start a library tomorrow, can you tell me what books to buy with my own money? As for your "could be" argument... Looks like we both agree that humans like they existed in history and exist now are not capable of of such "could be". I think it's indeed called "communism", and it failed everywhere it was attempted. Moreover, its failure produced human suffering and death beyond anything else humanity experienced before. (Some say it has never been attempted properly. May be. I don't care.) Edited by Arkadiy May 30, 2002, 03:01:36 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #40,595 by mmoffitt 5/30/02 4:45:49 PM Reply	Ah, but who owns the library? The People do ;-) Soviet Russia was a fascist state. Even it at least had the decency not to call itself a communist state (CCCP - Union of Soviet Socialist Republics). Its more than a semantics game. Nazi Germany was "Socialist" as well. Don't blame the communists, blame the socialists. :-)
Post #40,637 by Ashton 5/30/02 9:15:06 PM Reply	Guess I don't see any real argument here. Given that USSR was nothing to do with (anyone's) concept of: a future.. not ever even approached, "communism". USSR isn't then about communism. Ditto re property; maybe the most realistic aim for dealing with that concept (could be): an acquired dislike for the ugliness produced everywhere, when a person's status/power in a society is measured by # of things acquired. This attitude might lead to a large de-emphasis on (at least) "buying stuff as recreation". (Surely that direction would eschew "buying stuff as the Meaning of Life\ufffd and possibly - after-life too? that Great Mall in the Sky with Free Credit and Approved Sex-substitutes) Given "how we're doing" - I'd think the above is a realizable goal, hardly an assured one. As to further than that, the gradual dying of the Need to Own Stuff (generally), I'd think it obvious that such an idea would be completely inaccessible of understanding.. except in some future adult society. If the species survives adolescence, that is. Ashton

How dead is the U.S. software industry? - (inthane-chan) - (90) - May 17, 2002, 03:41:32 PM EDT

You only need one job. Don't believe the hype. - (Another Scott) - May 17, 2002, 04:07:00 PM EDT

Pick a minor - (orion) - May 17, 2002, 08:01:06 PM EDT

It's not dead - (broomberg) - (87) - May 17, 2002, 11:31:00 PM EDT

It's pining for the Fjords! - (orion) - (68) - May 18, 2002, 03:48:56 PM EDT

Good One, Orion!____ [but..___ look at the lovely plumage!] -NT - (Ashton) - May 18, 2002, 04:27:14 PM EDT

Wrong analogy - (broomberg) - (66) - May 19, 2002, 10:06:15 AM EDT

Okies... - (folkert) - May 19, 2002, 10:31:56 AM EDT

Damn Politics! - (orion) - (31) - May 19, 2002, 12:33:27 PM EDT

Sigh - (ben_tilly) - (30) - May 19, 2002, 09:58:22 PM EDT

No new clog - (orion) - (29) - May 20, 2002, 03:42:58 PM EDT

You always have a choice. Always. Hang in there. -NT - (Another Scott) - (24) - May 20, 2002, 04:47:46 PM EDT

I have limited choices - (orion) - (22) - May 20, 2002, 05:52:55 PM EDT

You have lots of choices. - (Another Scott) - May 20, 2002, 11:36:53 PM EDT

You only have one choice - (boxley) - (2) - May 21, 2002, 04:27:40 PM EDT

Thanks Bill - (orion) - (1) - May 21, 2002, 04:33:58 PM EDT

*smile* - (imric) - May 21, 2002, 06:08:23 PM EDT

Why do you seem so convinced that your wife is a bitch? - (CRConrad) - (17) - May 21, 2002, 06:47:41 PM EDT

If I lose the house - (orion) - (16) - May 21, 2002, 11:33:51 PM EDT

But, Y the F wouldn't U live in SAME apt with wife & son ?!? -NT - (CRConrad) - (15) - May 22, 2002, 07:28:47 AM EDT

Why wouldn't I? - (orion) - (14) - May 22, 2002, 08:04:18 PM EDT

What you're saying is, she'd let you starve. Nice marriage. -NT - (CRConrad) - (9) - May 23, 2002, 10:41:35 AM EDT

nope, his pride not her problem -NT - (boxley) - (4) - May 23, 2002, 12:09:55 PM EDT

Yeah, but that's what HE is saying here. - (CRConrad) - (3) - May 25, 2002, 07:51:11 AM EDT

Warehouse job - (orion) - (2) - May 25, 2002, 04:51:54 PM EDT

your last paragraph better be a humor - (boxley) - (1) - May 26, 2002, 10:18:41 AM EDT

Re: your last paragraph better be a humor - (orion) - May 26, 2002, 05:00:59 PM EDT

No, what I am saying - (orion) - (3) - May 23, 2002, 02:13:32 PM EDT

could take a while anyway :) be good for you -NT - (boxley) - May 23, 2002, 02:20:54 PM EDT

What you're saying is pure fucking bullshit. - (CRConrad) - (1) - May 25, 2002, 08:05:05 AM EDT

What are you saying? - (orion) - May 25, 2002, 05:02:05 PM EDT

Just for curiousity... - (hnick) - (3) - May 23, 2002, 03:39:55 PM EDT

Doesn't work in reality - (orion) - (2) - May 24, 2002, 10:43:46 AM EDT

Actually, it does - (hnick) - May 25, 2002, 08:54:39 AM EDT

Something to do in the meantime... - (Another Scott) - May 25, 2002, 09:56:30 AM EDT

I have limited choices - (orion) - May 20, 2002, 05:55:43 PM EDT

You always have more choices - (ben_tilly) - (3) - May 20, 2002, 09:47:05 PM EDT

What I have been doing - (orion) - (2) - May 21, 2002, 01:42:41 PM EDT

The Public Face versus The Private Face. - (inthane-chan) - (1) - May 21, 2002, 08:45:09 PM EDT

I am doing what I can to survive - (orion) - May 22, 2002, 12:11:32 AM EDT

Your description seems accurate. But the 'Plan' is fscked. - (Ashton) - (32) - May 19, 2002, 07:58:48 PM EDT

And your alternative is? - (broomberg) - (31) - May 19, 2002, 10:21:25 PM EDT

"Unless you disagree with basic property rights" - (Ashton) - (2) - May 20, 2002, 04:22:35 PM EDT

Godwin -NT - (broomberg) - (1) - May 20, 2002, 06:33:00 PM EDT

Re: Godwin: just history (German !=Nazi, one hoped) -NT - (Ashton) - May 20, 2002, 07:07:05 PM EDT

Is it my imagination, or is that really... - (CRConrad) - (27) - May 21, 2002, 06:31:22 PM EDT

I dunno about founding fathers - (broomberg) - May 21, 2002, 06:49:25 PM EDT

Barry's assessment of how to work in this biz is correct - (boxley) - May 22, 2002, 10:56:43 AM EDT

It's not just us. - (mmoffitt) - (23) - May 22, 2002, 05:55:41 PM EDT

So much bull, so little time. - (Arkadiy) - (22) - May 22, 2002, 07:38:07 PM EDT

Shto? - (mmoffitt) - (21) - May 23, 2002, 05:05:31 PM EDT

You cannot be free without private property. - (Arkadiy) - (6) - May 24, 2002, 03:05:13 PM EDT

How about "kak?" -NT - (mmoffitt) - (5) - May 28, 2002, 05:13:31 PM EDT

"kak" is "how" while "chto" is "what". -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (4) - May 28, 2002, 11:26:56 PM EDT

I know. I was kidding. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - May 28, 2002, 11:35:23 PM EDT

I tried a cut and paste of Russian from pravda.ru ... - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - May 28, 2002, 11:57:45 PM EDT

Hmm.. Cyrillic in Moz? - (Ashton) - May 29, 2002, 12:50:34 AM EDT

Brezhnev... - (Arkadiy) - May 29, 2002, 10:53:44 AM EDT

This is just sooo rich! - (Arkadiy) - (13) - May 24, 2002, 03:15:18 PM EDT

Nyet. - (mmoffitt) - (12) - May 28, 2002, 05:16:04 PM EDT

Agreed. - (Arkadiy) - (11) - May 29, 2002, 10:49:36 AM EDT

No, I wouldn't. - (mmoffitt) - (10) - May 30, 2002, 10:13:14 AM EDT

The freedom to read requires the freedom to own the book - (Arkadiy) - (9) - May 30, 2002, 11:00:13 AM EDT

Do you "own" library books? - (mmoffitt) - (7) - May 30, 2002, 12:47:50 PM EDT

cuba does not recognise personal property - (boxley) - (3) - May 30, 2002, 02:16:59 PM EDT

Clarification. - (mmoffitt) - May 30, 2002, 04:49:49 PM EDT

Bullshit, I think. (Goes for the Soviet Union too, BTW.) - (CRConrad) - (1) - May 30, 2002, 05:46:13 PM EDT

Individual belongings versus private property. - (Arkadiy) - May 30, 2002, 07:06:14 PM EDT

No. Library does. - (Arkadiy) - (2) - May 30, 2002, 03:01:36 PM EDT

Ah, but who owns the library? The People do ;-) - (mmoffitt) - May 30, 2002, 04:45:49 PM EDT

Guess I don't see any real argument here. - (Ashton) - May 30, 2002, 09:15:06 PM EDT

And she did finish that book (I saw her) ;-) -NT - (mmoffitt) - May 30, 2002, 12:52:14 PM EDT

Property rights - (orion) - May 28, 2002, 05:45:28 PM EDT

Right on; most software isn't shrink wrapped - (tonytib) - May 19, 2002, 11:23:36 PM EDT

You misunderstand my situation. - (inthane-chan) - (8) - May 20, 2002, 03:33:26 AM EDT

Go be a firefighter - (tseliot) - May 20, 2002, 01:21:48 PM EDT

What do you know... - (rsf) - (6) - May 20, 2002, 02:04:19 PM EDT

It's also who you know - (tonytib) - (5) - May 20, 2002, 03:04:54 PM EDT

Well, now, that's the rub, ain't it? - (inthane-chan) - (4) - May 20, 2002, 03:26:03 PM EDT

Can you stay in school for another year? - (rsf) - (1) - May 20, 2002, 03:46:31 PM EDT

Unfortunately, no. - (inthane-chan) - May 20, 2002, 05:03:50 PM EDT

Well, I'll keep a look out - (tonytib) - May 20, 2002, 04:49:52 PM EDT

Only a few angles to offer.. - (Ashton) - May 20, 2002, 05:05:19 PM EDT

Looks 'tits up' to me. - (tuberculosis) - (7) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:41:36 AM EDT

I dunno, you tell me - (broomberg) - (6) - May 20, 2002, 06:48:27 PM EDT

HOLY ****! - (inthane-chan) - (1) - May 20, 2002, 07:12:49 PM EDT

That's what I thought - (broomberg) - May 20, 2002, 08:42:11 PM EDT

Not too shabby - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:42:00 AM EDT

Based on your description - (broomberg) - (1) - May 20, 2002, 09:58:53 PM EDT

Based on your.... - (folkert) - May 20, 2002, 10:12:07 PM EDT

Same here, pretty much. - (admin) - May 21, 2002, 11:59:54 AM EDT

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