They don't just sit around or do anything they want without

Post #379,082 by boxley 8/10/13 5:59:12 PM Reply	They don't just sit around or do anything they want without consequences. Okay, if snowden kept his yap shut after perusing all of that stuff, what would be his consequences? I know he broke policies but as long as he kept it out of the news he could do anything he wanted. I said in 2001 that the patriot act was a very bad idea, it still is. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #379,085 by Another Scott 8/10/13 6:30:11 PM Reply	Then what? Few seem to be willing to take the next step in these logical inferences they want us to follow.... Okay, if snowden kept his yap shut after perusing all of that stuff, what would be his consequences? I know he broke policies but as long as he kept it out of the news he could do anything he wanted. Like what? Have someone arrested? Help me out here. Evidence that is obtained illegally cannot be used in court. What happens to people who break rules is that they can be disciplined, fired, arrested, ... http://www.wired.com.../five-irs-employ/ Five workers at the Internal Revenue ServiceÂs Fresno, California, return processing center were charged Monday with computer fraud and unauthorized access to tax return information for allegedly peeking into taxpayersÂ files for their own purposes. Given Snowden's big mouth and inflated opinion of himself, I think he would have been caught eventually. FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #379,221 by crazy 8/13/13 8:15:57 PM Reply	You OBVIOUSLY did not read this http://www.wctrib.co...en-intel-evidence Here's a bit: As Reuters reported Monday, the Special Operations Division of the DEA funnels information from overseas NSA intercepts, domestic wiretaps , informants and a large DEA database of telephone records to authorities nationwide to help them launch criminal investigations of Americans. The DEA phone database is distinct from a NSA database disclosed by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden. - See more at: http://www.wctrib.co...ash.fZEcMgSr.dpuf Or this: http://mobile.reuter...20130805?irpc=932 Here's abit: ...."Remember that the utilization of SOD cannot be revealed or discussed in any investigative function," a document presented to agents reads. The document specifically directs agents to omit the SOD's involvement from investigative reports, affidavits, discussions with prosecutors and courtroom testimony. Agents are instructed to then use "normal investigative techniques to recreate the information provided by SOD." ....A former federal agent in the northeastern United States who received such tips from SOD described the process. "You'd be told only, ÂBe at a certain truck stop at a certain time and look for a certain vehicle.' And so we'd alert the state police to find an excuse to stop that vehicle, and then have a drug dog search it," the agent said. Catch that? They MAKE SHIT UP to hide the source if the info. It is STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, well documented. And this is not "Stan" of American Dad (what shitty character to use in an argument. I used to think so much more highly of you). This is ROWS and ROWS of people who's ONLY job is to "analyze" tidbits of email and texts and then forward them along, either flagging a national security interest issue or (primarily) a drug issue (to the DEA). That's it, they do nothing else. It's already there, it's a done deal, been up and running for a few years. Ever since carnivore (TIS), they just renamed it. They didn't even need google or MS help, it just makes it easier for them. And don't bother saying: Jeez, if you feel so strongly about this, what are YOU doing! You are misdirecting. We have a specific discussion. Some of us "believe" (or know) something, others say either IT ISN'T TRUE or IT ISN'T SO BAD, TOUGH SHIT LIVE WITH IT. So I'm trying to figure out which of those answers are you. Which one?
Post #379,226 by Another Scott 8/13/13 9:04:14 PM Reply	Read enough of it... http://www.reuters.c...BRE97409R20130805 Wiretap tips forwarded by the SOD usually come from foreign governments, U.S. intelligence agencies or court-authorized domestic phone recordings. Because warrantless eavesdropping on Americans is illegal, tips from intelligence agencies are generally not forwarded to the SOD until a caller's citizenship can be verified, according to one senior law enforcement official and one former U.S. military intelligence analyst. "They do a pretty good job of screening, but it can be a struggle to know for sure whether the person on a wiretap is American," the senior law enforcement official said. Tips from domestic wiretaps typically occur when agents use information gleaned from a court-ordered wiretap in one case to start a second investigation. http://www.balloon-j.../#comment-4569162 The DEA and IRS get the equivalent of anonymous tips when other security agencies find evidence of illegal behavior in their investigations. Is this shocking? They then have to go and do their own investigations and rely solely on their own evidence to do their own law enforcement. Is that shocking? A bunch of people say this is not just legal, but normal and has been done for decades in all branches of law enforcement (the documents that brought it up are undated, so thereÂs that) and others say it sounds like itÂs unconstitutional and could be abused in technical legal ways. Fair enough, get a court to rule on it. No, this does not fit into some overarching picture of the NSA abusing its powers. Lots of nuance gets lost when reporters post sensational stories. Sometimes the nuance isn't important. Sometimes it is. Which is it here? I dunno. I'm not willing to set my hair on fire over this without more information. YMMV. Cheers, Scott.
Post #379,248 by mmoffitt 8/14/13 10:03:57 AM Reply	Why I do not trust them. Viola Liuzzo. That night, Liuzzo, tired but exhilarated, shuttled local marchers back to their homes. A car filled with Ku Klux Klan members tried to force her off the road. Finally, they pulled alongside Liuzzo's car and shot her in her head. The 39-year-old died instantly. ... Then, there were the rumors: After Viola Liuzzo's death, there were newspaper reports that Liuzzo had gone south to meet and have sex with black men. Another rumor claimed she was a drug addict. And the July 1965 issue of The Ladies' Home Journal published a poll that asked if readers thought Liuzzo was a good mother. Fifty-five percent didn't. ("I feel sorry for what happened," said one woman in a focus group convened to talk about the Liuzzo story, "but I feel she should have stayed home and minded her own business.") The family couldn't figure out why anyone would say such things. Then, when the Klansmen were put on trial for Liuzzo's death, they learned that a key witness was a paid FBI informant who had been in the Klansmen's car. Years later, the family sought to have Liuzzo's FBI file opened. They finally succeeded, and that's when they discovered that the rumors about her had come directly from J. Edgar Hoover. The family believes the FBI director was desperate to divert attention from the agency by smearing her. http://www.npr.org/b...everybody-s-fight NEVER underestimate what those bastards in that Yankee government are capable of.
Post #379,252 by Another Scott 8/14/13 10:10:15 AM Reply	I guess you live in fear of nuclear war, too. Hoover was an abomination and had a lifetime appointment. Things change. Cheers, Scott.
Post #379,281 by mmoffitt 8/14/13 3:27:02 PM Reply	He may be gone. But his institution thrives. I get your point though, Polly Anna. All the bad guys are gone now, right?
Post #379,283 by Another Scott 8/14/13 3:33:09 PM Reply	Absolutely. We live in the best of all possible worlds...
Post #379,298 by crazy 8/14/13 7:42:51 PM Reply	And I'm sure this means nothing to you as well https://www.techdirt...s-miserably.shtml Math, it's not that hard, at least for those who look.
Post #379,299 by Another Scott 8/14/13 8:06:36 PM Reply	Slow news day, I guess.
Post #379,300 by boxley 8/14/13 8:32:58 PM Reply	one figure in there is wrong the percentage of email that is spam is in the high 90 percentile, not 68.7% Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep

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