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Post #44,052 by bepatient 7/1/02 2:01:06 AM Reply	... He didn't tell me...so its anything I want. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #44,091 by Brandioch 7/1/02 11:01:05 AM Reply	That's post #1. Again, I don't have to wait for you to tell me something. I can demonstrate it easily enough by your continued refusal to. Tell me that the President of the USofA's name is "Ralph" and I'll correct you with his real name within one post. That's how it works. Someone makes an incorrect statement. Someone else provides the correct information. Not just saying "you're wrong and I know what is right". After a few repetitions of NOT revealing the "truth", I declare that the person making that claim does NOT possess the correct answer. Simple. Efficient. And it puts an end to the school yard games you seem so fond of. You see, mature adults don't have to hide behind claims of secret knowledge. Only children do that.
Post #44,112 by bepatient 7/1/02 2:54:03 PM Reply	Self-appointed... all knowing sentient. After a few repetitions of NOT revealing the "truth", I declare that the person making that claim does NOT possess the correct answer. You do this..even when it requires complete disregard for the reason for refusal. Its more like...you ask me the Presidents name..I say..."look it up yourself"..you then say "Its Ralph...and I KNOW I'M RIGHT because YOU didn't tell me when I asked" Wonderful use of >logic< You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #44,121 by Ashton 7/1/02 3:52:27 PM Reply	>logic< isn't Reason which may be one of the major Problems in an analog world now suffused with ^#@%^@# Boolean hype: that nice simplistic 'solution' for every problem. (Companies now say that they do not sell 'products'; they sell 'solutions' yada yada urp) I've been around techno for now several 'careers' - and since just after childhood. I suppose now that, one reason there are so few techno- people who ever ascend in the politics game is: too many of such imagine that the same kinda rote truth-table which might let them debug a program: has Anything! to do with the (maybe holographic?) far-infra-fuzzy reasoning which is associatively done in homo-sap minds !! Ever Notice (?) - that shortly after.. a new Problem arises (I mean, as defined entirely personally, here) - the Rolodex spins at >Mach1, looking for associations? (more often for loopholes). There may be something faintly-Boolean in aspects of the [search] function but.. the 'data' is manipulated most indescribably variously. The so-called mental 'data' IS NOT 1s and 0s. Nor 'operated upon' via commutative or associative MATH = that silly imagination is in our dreams. So nobody 'wins' ever, the guaranteed polar-opposite play which 'politics' has descended to: in Our time. In Other times there always were the logical-positivists of course: but, in less-noisy times - there was also actual debate, and with far less language corruption as occurs in these times of intentional Bizness pollution of all language. People actually possessed 'recognition vocabularies' in the ~100K range! (The verbing of nouns etc. would simply have been laughed into ignominy, on the second try.) My guess-to-date: the pollution of Language nears critical mass -- when no one will be able to tell what Anyone actually Meant. I have noticed this 'process' before I could assign a Name to it, all along - and I believe that it is now accelerating and that I can ID the prime mover: Unprecedented personal Greed, now almost-reduced to a Packageable Commodity, much like any other purchasable Application: (A) With Other-People's Capital: Buy this company. Sell off the assets. (People are liabilities) [Interim: get on More BODs for iteration insurance] Take carefully crafted Parachute and leave. GOTO (A) YAN verbed noun. (Or.. one Might... say..) Thanks IT droids! - for "enabling" [a current Pop-buzz meaningless building block for new inane TLAs] the efficient POG-2000 er.. Processing of Greed? Ashton, yeah well: youse guys didn't create the Climate your skill-set serves so well; you were just ~~facilitators~~ {ugh} enablers\ufffd. Like Oppenheimer et al, next ya gotta Live with the Monster you brought to full-immaturity, in exchange for: the corner-office rung, key to the Jr.-Exec. washroom + crumbs from the folks that [tacitly, of course] deem you also to be - easily replaceable commodities. Sorry about that last: best to save regularly.. (Of course.. it's never too late to repent..* :-\ufffd ..will supply wood & nails FOC. ..Gucci Hair-Shirts at modest mark-up ..flagellation by Miss Excellence-2000
Post #44,140 by Brandioch 7/1/02 6:26:16 PM Reply	Add a debate class to that and I'm all for it. Really. Okay, two NEW and MANDATORY classes for ALL high school graduates. #1. Debate (at least be able to SPOT the fallacies). #2. "The Tyranny of Words" (at least be able to spot the blab words). Once we can cut through the bullshit, we can start to change.
Post #44,137 by Brandioch 7/1/02 6:11:39 PM Reply	Let me go over the criteria AGAIN. #1. You claim to ALREADY KNOW the answer. #2. You claim that I am WRONG. Its more like...you ask me the Presidents name..I say..."look it up yourself"..you then say "Its Ralph...and I KNOW I'M RIGHT because YOU didn't tell me when I asked" Let me get this straight. You type: "look it up yourself" When just posting: "george w. bush" would actually be FEWER keystrokes. In other words, LESS work. Now, explain to me how your claim that you know, but would rather spend time and energy continually NOT telling me the answer is any differnt from.... Some idiot child's game where said idiot child does NOT know the answer but does NOT want to admit it? Or said idiot child does NOT want to admit that I am correct. No difference. The exchange is IDENTICAL. And you are spending more keystrokes explaining why you CANNOT or WILL NOT tell me the answer than just posting the answer. No. In that situation, I see two options: #1. You're caught in a lie and do not want to admit it. #2. You're a low grade moron with no life who gets off on right shift. Fortuanately, in your case, Bill, either can be applicable. Instead, I'll just declare that you don't know and are trying to avoid admitting it. Hence the 10x more effort refusing to tell me than just posting the answer.
Post #44,141 by bepatient 7/1/02 6:28:54 PM Reply	Its really no effort... Can't admit to yourself that your reasoning in this situation is incorrect. You confuse refusal of your >demand< with lack of knowledge. This is a flawed assumption. You use this assumption (your own) to invent conclusions. So it is exactly..."Look it up yourself"...."you didn't tell me so his name is Ralph." Moving along...nothing more to see here. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #44,150 by Brandioch 7/1/02 7:48:20 PM Reply	Tell me why and adult would refuse to post it. Can't admit to yourself that your reasoning in this situation is incorrect. Ah, but I will. As soon as it has been shown to be. You confuse refusal of your >demand< with lack of knowledge. No. I do not. It could very well be that you know information that you aren't willing to reveal. The question then becomes, why are you unwilling to reveal that information but are willing to continue posting that I'm wrong. When it would take far less effort just to CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE THAT I WAS WRONG. Again, there is no difference between your continuing refusal to post information your claim you already know -and- Someone caught in a lie about what he doesn't know. Tell me why an adult would refuse to post information that said adult claims to know. Tell me why said adult would continue to waste time and effort posting that he knows the information, but refuses to post it. I'll give you my answer to those question. There is NO reason an adult would REFUSE to post information he had to support his position and, instead, continue to post claims that another person is wrong. There are lots of reasons for such actions from a child. Ignorance is the primary. Lies. etc.
Post #44,165 by bepatient 7/1/02 10:12:44 PM 7/1/02 10:13:45 PM Reply	Why are you talking about me? Ask the one who refused >his< reason. I believe the reason you made up was that he felt it was a "sin" in his "sect". I've a feeling (hunch...hmm...nay absolute) that the truth is quite far from that determined on your planet. PLUS...all of your bickering is >STILL< irrelevent...because what you were seeking >WAS< posted...it just happened to invalidate your original premise. Which, I'm sure. is why you are ignoring it. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient] Edited by bepatient July 1, 2002, 10:13:45 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #44,181 by Brandioch 7/1/02 11:33:21 PM Reply	NOW you're avoiding it?!? No. YOU were the one giving the example about how you would not "do the research" for me. I want to know what POSSIBLE reason an ADULT would have for withholding information that he CLAIMS he has. PLUS...all of your bickering is >STILL< irrelevent...because what you were seeking >WAS< posted...it just happened to invalidate your original premise. No. That's being addressed under a different thread. In THIS thread, you've made claims that you would "not do the research" for me when you had the information avaialable. That isn't "research". That is simply posting information you already have. Yet you are claiming that you wouldn't do so. Now, why possible purpose would that serve for a mature adult?
Post #44,206 by bepatient 7/2/02 8:03:11 AM Reply	Whatever. Point missed. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

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