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Post #43,843

by imric

6/28/02 6:13:43 PM

Oh, I can prove you wrong

without 'saying' his name.

Exodus 20

And God spake all these words, saying, 2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. 7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Notice: The LORD thy God. Not used as a proper noun.

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Post #43,849

by Brandioch

6/28/02 7:19:48 PM

How did it get printed if it's a sin to print it?

Okay, how did the verse with the name of the god of the Christians make it through all those copies of the Bible (2000 years old) if it was a sin to "say" it?

Fascinating.

As for "thy God" not being a proper noun, you're quoting from your holy book.

Now, which god is "thy God" referencing in your holy book?

"One nation, under God"

But you don't see how the reference is the same?

"One nation, under God" uses "God" as a proper noun. The name of the god of the Christians.

It was put in there to differentiate our indoctrination oath from the indoctrination oaths of the "Godless Communists" with whom we were engaged in the "Cold War".

The chapter you quoted, and all throughout your holy book, capitalizes anything refering to the god of the Christians. "Him", "His" and so forth. This is because it is your holy book about your god. It also capitalizes "Son" when refering to God's Son, Jesus (John, 3:16).

For reference, check out how "god" is capitalized when refering to Zeus or Thor in historical texts. Here's a link to Bulfinch's.

[link|http://www.bulfinch.org/fables/bull1a.html|gods]

Words fail me. - (Brandioch) - (143) - June 27, 2002, 07:24:25 PM EDT

They don't fail me - (rsf) - (4) - June 27, 2002, 07:52:01 PM EDT

I can respect their political ideology. - (Brandioch) - June 27, 2002, 08:14:27 PM EDT

The Declaration of Independence is UnConsititutional - (ChrisR) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 10:38:12 AM EDT

Good thing it was a 'Press Release' - (imric) - June 28, 2002, 10:43:54 AM EDT

We covered this elsewhere... - (jb4) - July 3, 2002, 01:40:04 PM EDT

There is no avoiding the problem. - (static) - (5) - June 27, 2002, 11:50:39 PM EDT

IIRC - originally the idea was to use 'Providence" - (Ashton) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 05:21:06 AM EDT

Something else you reminded me of. - (static) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 08:39:05 AM EDT

I guess that, we might find that development to be - (Ashton) - June 28, 2002, 06:33:23 PM EDT

Unthinkable ~700 years ago; 1000, quite thinkable, AFAICS. - (CRConrad) - July 2, 2002, 12:35:28 AM EDT

Re: There is no avoiding the problem. - (wharris2) - July 1, 2002, 05:16:22 PM EDT

CNN polls oxymoron - (SpiceWare) - (131) - June 28, 2002, 09:45:48 AM EDT

Re: CNN polls oxymoron - (bepatient) - (130) - June 28, 2002, 10:18:21 AM EDT

So you'd support a bill for "One nation, under Allah"? - (Brandioch) - (41) - June 28, 2002, 10:46:20 AM EDT

Re: So you'd support a bill for "One nation, under Allah"? - (bepatient) - (40) - June 28, 2002, 11:50:46 AM EDT

If it doesn't matter, then why does it matter? - (Brandioch) - (39) - June 28, 2002, 12:52:15 PM EDT

ahh... - (bepatient) - (38) - June 28, 2002, 01:13:33 PM EDT

You can't just say it, can you? "God" == "Allah" - (Brandioch) - (37) - June 28, 2002, 01:23:56 PM EDT

That statement is false. - (imric) - (32) - June 28, 2002, 01:32:18 PM EDT

"God" != "god" - (Brandioch) - (31) - June 28, 2002, 01:52:12 PM EDT

Uh. Vishnu is a God. - (imric) - (30) - June 28, 2002, 01:55:15 PM EDT

"a God". Pay careful attention to the "a" there. - (Brandioch) - (29) - June 28, 2002, 02:06:15 PM EDT

So what? - (imric) - (28) - June 28, 2002, 02:23:18 PM EDT

You missed it. - (Brandioch) - (27) - June 28, 2002, 02:39:41 PM EDT

Have you asked a Muslim this? - (imric) - (26) - June 28, 2002, 02:56:34 PM EDT

Allah is to Muslims as __________ is to Christians. - (Brandioch) - (25) - June 28, 2002, 03:18:58 PM EDT

Insist that God is a name all you want. - (imric) - (8) - June 28, 2002, 04:31:30 PM EDT

To quote you "look in the Bible". - (Brandioch) - (6) - June 28, 2002, 04:59:35 PM EDT

Nope. Wrong again. - (imric) - (5) - June 28, 2002, 05:01:21 PM EDT

Look up "circular reference". - (Brandioch) - (4) - June 28, 2002, 05:39:17 PM EDT

Confusing levels of reference - (imric) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 05:45:21 PM EDT

Why am I wrong? Because the Bible says so. - (Brandioch) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 05:56:27 PM EDT

Oh, I can prove you wrong - (imric) - (1) - June 28, 2002, 06:13:43 PM EDT

How did it get printed if it's a sin to print it? - (Brandioch) - June 28, 2002, 07:19:48 PM EDT

If it begins with a G (not g), then yes, it IS "a name"! - (CRConrad) - July 1, 2002, 10:18:21 PM EDT

Fill in the blank - (Silverlock) - (12) - June 28, 2002, 04:13:47 PM EDT

Cool. I'll use "Tetragrammaton". - (Brandioch) - (11) - June 28, 2002, 04:51:54 PM EDT

ROFL - I suppose "Him" is His name then , too? - (imric) - (1) - June 28, 2002, 05:00:29 PM EDT

Buy yourself a dictionary. - (Brandioch) - June 28, 2002, 05:06:27 PM EDT

The picking of (imaginary) nits - (Silverlock) - (4) - June 28, 2002, 05:03:10 PM EDT

Awww, so it is dueling dictionaries then? - (Brandioch) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 05:11:09 PM EDT

The weakest link - (Silverlock) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 11:19:45 PM EDT

That's a complex question. - (Brandioch) - (1) - June 29, 2002, 12:55:52 AM EDT

Ike is irrelevent. -NT - (bepatient) - June 29, 2002, 01:03:12 AM EDT

We Pentagrammatonistas are Superior, we see that you see.. - (Ashton) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 05:18:07 PM EDT

Where do I sign up? -NT - (Silverlock) - (1) - June 28, 2002, 11:23:52 PM EDT

Many are called__but____few are chastened.. -NT - (Ashton) - June 29, 2002, 12:18:32 AM EDT

But he Heptagrammatonistas look down on you! :) - (a6l6e6x) - June 29, 2002, 04:49:30 PM EDT

As a Jew I can say that in English ... - (bluke) - (2) - July 1, 2002, 12:40:45 AM EDT

+5 Informative. :-) -NT - (static) - July 1, 2002, 01:32:00 AM EDT

:) Not just Christian. - (Brandioch) - July 1, 2002, 10:40:42 AM EDT

Cool... - (bepatient) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 01:36:46 PM EDT

Is it History or English you failed? - (Brandioch) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 02:21:15 PM EDT

Congress shall... - (ChrisR) - (1) - June 28, 2002, 02:46:51 PM EDT

We covered that in a different thread. :) - (Brandioch) - June 28, 2002, 02:59:00 PM EDT

The more I think about this, the less I understand - (Silverlock) - (82) - June 28, 2002, 10:49:46 AM EDT

It isn't unConstitutional. - (Brandioch) - (81) - June 28, 2002, 01:16:09 PM EDT

Uh huh. - (imric) - (80) - June 28, 2002, 01:30:00 PM EDT

Not irrelevent. - (Brandioch) - (78) - June 28, 2002, 01:45:29 PM EDT

Wrong. - (imric) - (77) - June 28, 2002, 01:53:59 PM EDT

Well, please violate that rule right now. - (Brandioch) - (76) - June 28, 2002, 02:02:13 PM EDT

Oh, I won't. - (imric) - (65) - June 28, 2002, 02:10:24 PM EDT

I didn't think you would. - (Brandioch) - (64) - June 28, 2002, 02:31:12 PM EDT

Now you ARE manufacturing data. - (imric) - (10) - June 28, 2002, 02:50:36 PM EDT

"I can not tell you that name for it would be a Sin!" - (Brandioch) - (9) - June 28, 2002, 03:06:02 PM EDT

I did identify it. - (imric) - (8) - June 28, 2002, 03:10:03 PM EDT

I asked you to post it. Can you understand "post it"? - (Brandioch) - (7) - June 28, 2002, 03:27:21 PM EDT

Ok. Insist on 'winning' this 'debate'. - (imric) - (6) - June 28, 2002, 04:01:09 PM EDT

How many chances do you want? - (Brandioch) - (4) - June 28, 2002, 05:46:47 PM EDT

You have read the Bible? - (imric) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 06:06:47 PM EDT

So the name of God is "Lord"? - (Brandioch) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 06:18:12 PM EDT

Note. - (imric) - (1) - June 28, 2002, 06:37:35 PM EDT

thy servant, thy hand, thy words. NOT A PRONOUN! - (Brandioch) - June 28, 2002, 07:58:14 PM EDT

So, what do you *call* Him? What letter is he filed under,.. - (CRConrad) - July 2, 2002, 12:58:29 AM EDT

I'll answer. - (static) - (52) - June 29, 2002, 04:24:15 AM EDT

Gracias - a thoughtful clarification. Finally. - (Ashton) - June 29, 2002, 04:15:21 PM EDT

I'll use this forum as my example. :) - (Brandioch) - (47) - June 29, 2002, 04:41:25 PM EDT

Maybe the thread was worth the trouble.. - (Ashton) - (46) - June 29, 2002, 05:59:26 PM EDT

Yup. - (Brandioch) - (45) - June 29, 2002, 06:50:32 PM EDT

Nah. - (imric) - (44) - June 30, 2002, 08:23:09 AM EDT

However one slices it - (Ashton) - (1) - June 30, 2002, 09:03:51 AM EDT

Yup. -NT - (imric) - June 30, 2002, 12:28:08 PM EDT

So you keep saying. - (Brandioch) - (41) - June 30, 2002, 01:21:49 PM EDT

Static posted the Chapter and verse - (bepatient) - (40) - June 30, 2002, 01:42:27 PM EDT

You just can't get enough of me. - (Brandioch) - (39) - June 30, 2002, 02:31:23 PM EDT

Its simply because I love you - (bepatient) - (22) - June 30, 2002, 04:27:40 PM EDT

The point escapes you, yet again. - (Brandioch) - (21) - June 30, 2002, 08:46:27 PM EDT

Becuase you failed... - (bepatient) - (20) - June 30, 2002, 08:50:40 PM EDT

"Straw Man" may not be invariably correct an - (Ashton) - (2) - June 30, 2002, 10:05:01 PM EDT

Disappointed - (bepatient) - (1) - June 30, 2002, 10:26:19 PM EDT

Blessed art those who expect nothing - (Ashton) - June 30, 2002, 10:57:18 PM EDT

"Research"? You are an idiot. - (Brandioch) - (11) - July 1, 2002, 01:36:53 AM EDT

... - (bepatient) - (10) - July 1, 2002, 02:01:06 AM EDT

That's post #1. - (Brandioch) - (9) - July 1, 2002, 11:01:05 AM EDT

Self-appointed... - (bepatient) - (8) - July 1, 2002, 02:54:03 PM EDT

>logic< isn't Reason - (Ashton) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 03:52:27 PM EDT

Add a debate class to that and I'm all for it. - (Brandioch) - July 1, 2002, 06:26:16 PM EDT

Let me go over the criteria AGAIN. - (Brandioch) - (5) - July 1, 2002, 06:11:39 PM EDT

Its really no effort... - (bepatient) - (4) - July 1, 2002, 06:28:54 PM EDT

Tell me why and adult would refuse to post it. - (Brandioch) - (3) - July 1, 2002, 07:48:20 PM EDT

Why are you talking about me? - (bepatient) - (2) - July 1, 2002, 10:13:45 PM EDT

NOW you're avoiding it?!? - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 11:33:21 PM EDT

Whatever. - (bepatient) - July 2, 2002, 08:03:11 AM EDT

Sorry, BeeP, but you're wrong on both counts. - (CRConrad) - (4) - July 2, 2002, 01:52:26 AM EDT

Rofl - (bepatient) - (3) - July 2, 2002, 08:22:19 AM EDT

Quit the stupid laughter; it's still just not all that funny - (CRConrad) - (2) - July 2, 2002, 06:07:52 PM EDT

Certainly it is.... - (bepatient) - (1) - July 2, 2002, 06:37:33 PM EDT

Sorry about the imbalance, but... - (CRConrad) - July 2, 2002, 06:44:59 PM EDT

There is an error in your argument. - (static) - (15) - July 1, 2002, 01:25:42 AM EDT

You'll note that your reference - (Ashton) - (6) - July 1, 2002, 02:31:30 AM EDT

I had to chose something. - (static) - (5) - July 1, 2002, 02:38:42 AM EDT

You don't live over here, do you? :) - (Brandioch) - (4) - July 1, 2002, 10:55:05 AM EDT

Recent? - (ChrisR) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 11:17:43 AM EDT

In my day, people respected their elders! - (Brandioch) - July 1, 2002, 12:29:45 PM EDT

Church vs State. - (static) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 10:33:32 PM EDT

How about a diode? - (Brandioch) - July 2, 2002, 10:57:27 AM EDT

Could be. - (Brandioch) - (7) - July 1, 2002, 10:37:33 AM EDT

What? Never a pair of Jehovah's Witnesses at your door? :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 04:57:06 PM EDT

Not in YEARS. - (Brandioch) - July 1, 2002, 06:13:03 PM EDT

I'd like to make some distinctions. - (static) - (2) - July 1, 2002, 09:50:02 PM EDT

Agreed. - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 10:32:44 PM EDT

We'll have to differ. - (static) - July 2, 2002, 02:57:17 AM EDT

Uh... "God is a four-letter word", I think. - (CRConrad) - (1) - July 2, 2002, 02:13:55 AM EDT

Mhy speling sux. - (Brandioch) - July 2, 2002, 10:58:57 AM EDT

Nice of you to agree with Brandishim's original point. - (CRConrad) - (2) - July 2, 2002, 01:23:29 AM EDT

Hello Christian. - (static) - (1) - July 3, 2002, 01:47:52 AM EDT

Point? Just the first line (never mind why). Hi yerself! :-) -NT - (CRConrad) - July 3, 2002, 02:57:40 PM EDT

God, god, and gods - (ChrisR) - (9) - June 28, 2002, 02:41:04 PM EDT

Allah is to Muslims as _________ is to Christians. - (Brandioch) - (5) - June 28, 2002, 03:13:59 PM EDT

Allah is to Arabic Speakers as God is to English speakers - (ChrisR) - (4) - June 28, 2002, 04:52:40 PM EDT

Not quite. - (Brandioch) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 05:34:28 PM EDT

The question is nonsensical because you... - (ChrisR) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 06:44:04 PM EDT

No I'm not. - (Brandioch) - (1) - June 28, 2002, 08:13:49 PM EDT

I think it's as obvious as, what is *meant* when a - (Ashton) - June 28, 2002, 09:08:28 PM EDT

"it intentionally offends those who fall outside of this - (Ashton) - June 28, 2002, 04:52:30 PM EDT

"One nation under glowing spooky stuff" -NT - (tablizer) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 12:43:38 AM EDT

Yeah... Big glowing UFOs covered in OOP-turds, you mean? :-) -NT - (CRConrad) - July 2, 2002, 02:26:08 AM EDT

Stop calling it a pronoun, please. It isn't. -NT - (CRConrad) - July 2, 2002, 12:43:16 AM EDT

I'm actually sympathetic to the guy who brought the case - (drewk) - (4) - June 28, 2002, 10:52:31 AM EDT

Yeah.. after all the etymology dancing about - - (Ashton) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 05:02:05 PM EDT

Matter of fact - (imric) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 05:41:21 PM EDT

Kinda figgered that - (Ashton) - (1) - June 28, 2002, 06:15:14 PM EDT

ObSentient LRPDism: The (LoTR) Ring Rhyme. :-) -NT - (static) - June 29, 2002, 04:27:03 AM EDT

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