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by Ashton

6/28/02 4:52:30 PM

"it intentionally offends those who fall outside of this

category".

Indeed - at last the crux of the issue.

And the mere "under God" addition of Ike's (politically-expedient or whatever, at the time):

Is a very BIG Camel's nose inside the tent. ..As if there weren't already enough sanctimony around: without begging for more!

Ashton

Words fail me. - (Brandioch) - (143) - June 27, 2002, 07:24:25 PM EDT

They don't fail me - (rsf) - (4) - June 27, 2002, 07:52:01 PM EDT

I can respect their political ideology. - (Brandioch) - June 27, 2002, 08:14:27 PM EDT

The Declaration of Independence is UnConsititutional - (ChrisR) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 10:38:12 AM EDT

Good thing it was a 'Press Release' - (imric) - June 28, 2002, 10:43:54 AM EDT

We covered this elsewhere... - (jb4) - July 3, 2002, 01:40:04 PM EDT

There is no avoiding the problem. - (static) - (5) - June 27, 2002, 11:50:39 PM EDT

IIRC - originally the idea was to use 'Providence" - (Ashton) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 05:21:06 AM EDT

Something else you reminded me of. - (static) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 08:39:05 AM EDT

I guess that, we might find that development to be - (Ashton) - June 28, 2002, 06:33:23 PM EDT

Unthinkable ~700 years ago; 1000, quite thinkable, AFAICS. - (CRConrad) - July 2, 2002, 12:35:28 AM EDT

Re: There is no avoiding the problem. - (wharris2) - July 1, 2002, 05:16:22 PM EDT

CNN polls oxymoron - (SpiceWare) - (131) - June 28, 2002, 09:45:48 AM EDT

Re: CNN polls oxymoron - (bepatient) - (130) - June 28, 2002, 10:18:21 AM EDT

So you'd support a bill for "One nation, under Allah"? - (Brandioch) - (41) - June 28, 2002, 10:46:20 AM EDT

Re: So you'd support a bill for "One nation, under Allah"? - (bepatient) - (40) - June 28, 2002, 11:50:46 AM EDT

If it doesn't matter, then why does it matter? - (Brandioch) - (39) - June 28, 2002, 12:52:15 PM EDT

ahh... - (bepatient) - (38) - June 28, 2002, 01:13:33 PM EDT

You can't just say it, can you? "God" == "Allah" - (Brandioch) - (37) - June 28, 2002, 01:23:56 PM EDT

That statement is false. - (imric) - (32) - June 28, 2002, 01:32:18 PM EDT

"God" != "god" - (Brandioch) - (31) - June 28, 2002, 01:52:12 PM EDT

Uh. Vishnu is a God. - (imric) - (30) - June 28, 2002, 01:55:15 PM EDT

"a God". Pay careful attention to the "a" there. - (Brandioch) - (29) - June 28, 2002, 02:06:15 PM EDT

So what? - (imric) - (28) - June 28, 2002, 02:23:18 PM EDT

You missed it. - (Brandioch) - (27) - June 28, 2002, 02:39:41 PM EDT

Have you asked a Muslim this? - (imric) - (26) - June 28, 2002, 02:56:34 PM EDT

Allah is to Muslims as __________ is to Christians. - (Brandioch) - (25) - June 28, 2002, 03:18:58 PM EDT

Insist that God is a name all you want. - (imric) - (8) - June 28, 2002, 04:31:30 PM EDT

To quote you "look in the Bible". - (Brandioch) - (6) - June 28, 2002, 04:59:35 PM EDT

Nope. Wrong again. - (imric) - (5) - June 28, 2002, 05:01:21 PM EDT

Look up "circular reference". - (Brandioch) - (4) - June 28, 2002, 05:39:17 PM EDT

Confusing levels of reference - (imric) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 05:45:21 PM EDT

Why am I wrong? Because the Bible says so. - (Brandioch) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 05:56:27 PM EDT

Oh, I can prove you wrong - (imric) - (1) - June 28, 2002, 06:13:43 PM EDT

How did it get printed if it's a sin to print it? - (Brandioch) - June 28, 2002, 07:19:48 PM EDT

If it begins with a G (not g), then yes, it IS "a name"! - (CRConrad) - July 1, 2002, 10:18:21 PM EDT

Fill in the blank - (Silverlock) - (12) - June 28, 2002, 04:13:47 PM EDT

Cool. I'll use "Tetragrammaton". - (Brandioch) - (11) - June 28, 2002, 04:51:54 PM EDT

ROFL - I suppose "Him" is His name then , too? - (imric) - (1) - June 28, 2002, 05:00:29 PM EDT

Buy yourself a dictionary. - (Brandioch) - June 28, 2002, 05:06:27 PM EDT

The picking of (imaginary) nits - (Silverlock) - (4) - June 28, 2002, 05:03:10 PM EDT

Awww, so it is dueling dictionaries then? - (Brandioch) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 05:11:09 PM EDT

The weakest link - (Silverlock) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 11:19:45 PM EDT

That's a complex question. - (Brandioch) - (1) - June 29, 2002, 12:55:52 AM EDT

Ike is irrelevent. -NT - (bepatient) - June 29, 2002, 01:03:12 AM EDT

We Pentagrammatonistas are Superior, we see that you see.. - (Ashton) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 05:18:07 PM EDT

Where do I sign up? -NT - (Silverlock) - (1) - June 28, 2002, 11:23:52 PM EDT

Many are called__but____few are chastened.. -NT - (Ashton) - June 29, 2002, 12:18:32 AM EDT

But he Heptagrammatonistas look down on you! :) - (a6l6e6x) - June 29, 2002, 04:49:30 PM EDT

As a Jew I can say that in English ... - (bluke) - (2) - July 1, 2002, 12:40:45 AM EDT

+5 Informative. :-) -NT - (static) - July 1, 2002, 01:32:00 AM EDT

:) Not just Christian. - (Brandioch) - July 1, 2002, 10:40:42 AM EDT

Cool... - (bepatient) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 01:36:46 PM EDT

Is it History or English you failed? - (Brandioch) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 02:21:15 PM EDT

Congress shall... - (ChrisR) - (1) - June 28, 2002, 02:46:51 PM EDT

We covered that in a different thread. :) - (Brandioch) - June 28, 2002, 02:59:00 PM EDT

The more I think about this, the less I understand - (Silverlock) - (82) - June 28, 2002, 10:49:46 AM EDT

It isn't unConstitutional. - (Brandioch) - (81) - June 28, 2002, 01:16:09 PM EDT

Uh huh. - (imric) - (80) - June 28, 2002, 01:30:00 PM EDT

Not irrelevent. - (Brandioch) - (78) - June 28, 2002, 01:45:29 PM EDT

Wrong. - (imric) - (77) - June 28, 2002, 01:53:59 PM EDT

Well, please violate that rule right now. - (Brandioch) - (76) - June 28, 2002, 02:02:13 PM EDT

Oh, I won't. - (imric) - (65) - June 28, 2002, 02:10:24 PM EDT

I didn't think you would. - (Brandioch) - (64) - June 28, 2002, 02:31:12 PM EDT

Now you ARE manufacturing data. - (imric) - (10) - June 28, 2002, 02:50:36 PM EDT

"I can not tell you that name for it would be a Sin!" - (Brandioch) - (9) - June 28, 2002, 03:06:02 PM EDT

I did identify it. - (imric) - (8) - June 28, 2002, 03:10:03 PM EDT

I asked you to post it. Can you understand "post it"? - (Brandioch) - (7) - June 28, 2002, 03:27:21 PM EDT

Ok. Insist on 'winning' this 'debate'. - (imric) - (6) - June 28, 2002, 04:01:09 PM EDT

How many chances do you want? - (Brandioch) - (4) - June 28, 2002, 05:46:47 PM EDT

You have read the Bible? - (imric) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 06:06:47 PM EDT

So the name of God is "Lord"? - (Brandioch) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 06:18:12 PM EDT

Note. - (imric) - (1) - June 28, 2002, 06:37:35 PM EDT

thy servant, thy hand, thy words. NOT A PRONOUN! - (Brandioch) - June 28, 2002, 07:58:14 PM EDT

So, what do you *call* Him? What letter is he filed under,.. - (CRConrad) - July 2, 2002, 12:58:29 AM EDT

I'll answer. - (static) - (52) - June 29, 2002, 04:24:15 AM EDT

Gracias - a thoughtful clarification. Finally. - (Ashton) - June 29, 2002, 04:15:21 PM EDT

I'll use this forum as my example. :) - (Brandioch) - (47) - June 29, 2002, 04:41:25 PM EDT

Maybe the thread was worth the trouble.. - (Ashton) - (46) - June 29, 2002, 05:59:26 PM EDT

Yup. - (Brandioch) - (45) - June 29, 2002, 06:50:32 PM EDT

Nah. - (imric) - (44) - June 30, 2002, 08:23:09 AM EDT

However one slices it - (Ashton) - (1) - June 30, 2002, 09:03:51 AM EDT

Yup. -NT - (imric) - June 30, 2002, 12:28:08 PM EDT

So you keep saying. - (Brandioch) - (41) - June 30, 2002, 01:21:49 PM EDT

Static posted the Chapter and verse - (bepatient) - (40) - June 30, 2002, 01:42:27 PM EDT

You just can't get enough of me. - (Brandioch) - (39) - June 30, 2002, 02:31:23 PM EDT

Its simply because I love you - (bepatient) - (22) - June 30, 2002, 04:27:40 PM EDT

The point escapes you, yet again. - (Brandioch) - (21) - June 30, 2002, 08:46:27 PM EDT

Becuase you failed... - (bepatient) - (20) - June 30, 2002, 08:50:40 PM EDT

"Straw Man" may not be invariably correct an - (Ashton) - (2) - June 30, 2002, 10:05:01 PM EDT

Disappointed - (bepatient) - (1) - June 30, 2002, 10:26:19 PM EDT

Blessed art those who expect nothing - (Ashton) - June 30, 2002, 10:57:18 PM EDT

"Research"? You are an idiot. - (Brandioch) - (11) - July 1, 2002, 01:36:53 AM EDT

... - (bepatient) - (10) - July 1, 2002, 02:01:06 AM EDT

That's post #1. - (Brandioch) - (9) - July 1, 2002, 11:01:05 AM EDT

Self-appointed... - (bepatient) - (8) - July 1, 2002, 02:54:03 PM EDT

>logic< isn't Reason - (Ashton) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 03:52:27 PM EDT

Add a debate class to that and I'm all for it. - (Brandioch) - July 1, 2002, 06:26:16 PM EDT

Let me go over the criteria AGAIN. - (Brandioch) - (5) - July 1, 2002, 06:11:39 PM EDT

Its really no effort... - (bepatient) - (4) - July 1, 2002, 06:28:54 PM EDT

Tell me why and adult would refuse to post it. - (Brandioch) - (3) - July 1, 2002, 07:48:20 PM EDT

Why are you talking about me? - (bepatient) - (2) - July 1, 2002, 10:13:45 PM EDT

NOW you're avoiding it?!? - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 11:33:21 PM EDT

Whatever. - (bepatient) - July 2, 2002, 08:03:11 AM EDT

Sorry, BeeP, but you're wrong on both counts. - (CRConrad) - (4) - July 2, 2002, 01:52:26 AM EDT

Rofl - (bepatient) - (3) - July 2, 2002, 08:22:19 AM EDT

Quit the stupid laughter; it's still just not all that funny - (CRConrad) - (2) - July 2, 2002, 06:07:52 PM EDT

Certainly it is.... - (bepatient) - (1) - July 2, 2002, 06:37:33 PM EDT

Sorry about the imbalance, but... - (CRConrad) - July 2, 2002, 06:44:59 PM EDT

There is an error in your argument. - (static) - (15) - July 1, 2002, 01:25:42 AM EDT

You'll note that your reference - (Ashton) - (6) - July 1, 2002, 02:31:30 AM EDT

I had to chose something. - (static) - (5) - July 1, 2002, 02:38:42 AM EDT

You don't live over here, do you? :) - (Brandioch) - (4) - July 1, 2002, 10:55:05 AM EDT

Recent? - (ChrisR) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 11:17:43 AM EDT

In my day, people respected their elders! - (Brandioch) - July 1, 2002, 12:29:45 PM EDT

Church vs State. - (static) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 10:33:32 PM EDT

How about a diode? - (Brandioch) - July 2, 2002, 10:57:27 AM EDT

Could be. - (Brandioch) - (7) - July 1, 2002, 10:37:33 AM EDT

What? Never a pair of Jehovah's Witnesses at your door? :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 04:57:06 PM EDT

Not in YEARS. - (Brandioch) - July 1, 2002, 06:13:03 PM EDT

I'd like to make some distinctions. - (static) - (2) - July 1, 2002, 09:50:02 PM EDT

Agreed. - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 10:32:44 PM EDT

We'll have to differ. - (static) - July 2, 2002, 02:57:17 AM EDT

Uh... "God is a four-letter word", I think. - (CRConrad) - (1) - July 2, 2002, 02:13:55 AM EDT

Mhy speling sux. - (Brandioch) - July 2, 2002, 10:58:57 AM EDT

Nice of you to agree with Brandishim's original point. - (CRConrad) - (2) - July 2, 2002, 01:23:29 AM EDT

Hello Christian. - (static) - (1) - July 3, 2002, 01:47:52 AM EDT

Point? Just the first line (never mind why). Hi yerself! :-) -NT - (CRConrad) - July 3, 2002, 02:57:40 PM EDT

God, god, and gods - (ChrisR) - (9) - June 28, 2002, 02:41:04 PM EDT

Allah is to Muslims as _________ is to Christians. - (Brandioch) - (5) - June 28, 2002, 03:13:59 PM EDT

Allah is to Arabic Speakers as God is to English speakers - (ChrisR) - (4) - June 28, 2002, 04:52:40 PM EDT

Not quite. - (Brandioch) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 05:34:28 PM EDT

The question is nonsensical because you... - (ChrisR) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 06:44:04 PM EDT

No I'm not. - (Brandioch) - (1) - June 28, 2002, 08:13:49 PM EDT

I think it's as obvious as, what is *meant* when a - (Ashton) - June 28, 2002, 09:08:28 PM EDT

"it intentionally offends those who fall outside of this - (Ashton) - June 28, 2002, 04:52:30 PM EDT

"One nation under glowing spooky stuff" -NT - (tablizer) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 12:43:38 AM EDT

Yeah... Big glowing UFOs covered in OOP-turds, you mean? :-) -NT - (CRConrad) - July 2, 2002, 02:26:08 AM EDT

Stop calling it a pronoun, please. It isn't. -NT - (CRConrad) - July 2, 2002, 12:43:16 AM EDT

I'm actually sympathetic to the guy who brought the case - (drewk) - (4) - June 28, 2002, 10:52:31 AM EDT

Yeah.. after all the etymology dancing about - - (Ashton) - (3) - June 28, 2002, 05:02:05 PM EDT

Matter of fact - (imric) - (2) - June 28, 2002, 05:41:21 PM EDT

Kinda figgered that - (Ashton) - (1) - June 28, 2002, 06:15:14 PM EDT

ObSentient LRPDism: The (LoTR) Ring Rhyme. :-) -NT - (static) - June 29, 2002, 04:27:03 AM EDT

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