No, it is not anti-everything

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Post #261,574 by ben_tilly 7/13/06 1:51:23 PM Reply	No, it is not anti-everything It seems to me to be a very sane position. There is a political strand in this country that says, "My country, right or wrong." I also do not understand this. This country is supposed to stand for something. To the extent that it stands for that, I'm supportive. To the extent that it doesn't, I'm not supportive. But I simply cannot agree with the brand of patriotism that says we must back the President because the President is President and we're at war, while said President is making horrible mistakes, costing lives, and is undermining the fabric of our democracy. I'm sure that I'm not alone. Cheers, Ben a very rich person should leave his kids enough to do anything but not enough to do nothing. -- Warren Buffett
Post #261,578 by Andrew Grygus 7/13/06 2:02:21 PM Reply	Patrotism, n. Combustible rubbish . . . . . ready to the torch of any one ambitious to illuminate his name. In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first. - Ambrose Bierce [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #261,600 by Another Scott 7/13/06 2:47:44 PM Reply	:-)
Post #261,609 by bepatient 7/13/06 3:36:09 PM Reply	If that was what she had said then hey, no issue. Thats not what she said. And thats, kind of, my point. I don't have any issue with her position. I have even less of an issue with yours. In fact, your position is what makes this country great. And that last line is what she appears to have attacked. However, if she remains that incapable of making her point clearly, she will continue to be misunderstood, and continue to be bashed for it. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}

Does she have >any< clue? - (bepatient) - (44) - July 12, 2006, 11:28:28 PM EDT

Not running for office is she? - (Silverlock) - (29) - July 12, 2006, 11:35:07 PM EDT

No, she's destroying their careers. - (bepatient) - (28) - July 13, 2006, 10:57:35 AM EDT

Interesting position - (drewk) - (27) - July 13, 2006, 11:02:42 AM EDT

Well, it could be taken that way. - (bepatient) - (4) - July 13, 2006, 11:13:47 AM EDT

Why wonder? - (drewk) - (1) - July 13, 2006, 11:28:08 AM EDT

The first was a response to - (bepatient) - July 13, 2006, 12:51:44 PM EDT

I've heard interviews - (broomberg) - July 13, 2006, 11:30:03 AM EDT

They're changing their audience anyway - (admin) - July 13, 2006, 11:49:03 AM EDT

You can state your opinion without insulting your fans - (tonytib) - (21) - July 13, 2006, 11:36:18 AM EDT

You think the interview was insulting? - (drewk) - (20) - July 13, 2006, 11:44:30 AM EDT

Yes - (tonytib) - (19) - July 13, 2006, 11:59:36 AM EDT

That's not insulting - (drewk) - (18) - July 13, 2006, 12:18:38 PM EDT

Mr K, c'mon now. The statement goes far beyond being "anti-" - (bepatient) - (17) - July 13, 2006, 12:56:14 PM EDT

Context is important. - (Another Scott) - (4) - July 13, 2006, 01:11:24 PM EDT

Wasn't in der spiegel - (bepatient) - (3) - July 13, 2006, 01:32:00 PM EDT

Thanks. I wonder about the editing though. - (Another Scott) - (2) - July 13, 2006, 02:46:50 PM EDT

Seems to me that she used the wrong word. - (jb4) - (1) - July 13, 2006, 03:37:38 PM EDT

I think you nailed it. -NT - (Silverlock) - July 13, 2006, 03:39:58 PM EDT

No, it is not anti-everything - (ben_tilly) - (3) - July 13, 2006, 01:51:23 PM EDT

Patrotism, n. Combustible rubbish . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - July 13, 2006, 02:02:21 PM EDT

:-) -NT - (Another Scott) - July 13, 2006, 02:47:44 PM EDT

If that was what she had said - (bepatient) - July 13, 2006, 03:36:09 PM EDT

Waidaminnit, there, BeeP - (jb4) - (1) - July 13, 2006, 03:31:34 PM EDT

Change your filters there bub. - (bepatient) - July 13, 2006, 03:38:02 PM EDT

Couple quotes for you. - (mmoffitt) - (5) - July 14, 2006, 11:01:26 AM EDT

Nice! yours are better organized. 'Tis folly though :-/ - (Ashton) - July 14, 2006, 04:06:22 PM EDT

Both well stated opinions. - (bepatient) - (3) - July 15, 2006, 11:22:45 AM EDT

Pop tastes change. - (Another Scott) - (2) - July 15, 2006, 11:47:48 AM EDT

While this disk - (bepatient) - (1) - July 15, 2006, 12:08:57 PM EDT

Mob taste can change capriciously in weird times - (Ashton) - July 16, 2006, 01:20:59 AM EDT

Makes me want to buy her CD... -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - July 13, 2006, 12:52:09 AM EDT

Already did. -NT - (jb4) - July 13, 2006, 03:39:12 PM EDT

Has she never read the Dictionary? - (Ashton) - July 13, 2006, 03:42:40 AM EDT

Who gives a shit, anyway? - (pwhysall) - (10) - July 13, 2006, 04:20:10 PM EDT

you == me - (admin) - (9) - July 13, 2006, 04:24:08 PM EDT

As a guitarist - (jake123) - (8) - July 13, 2006, 04:28:58 PM EDT

So can Ritchie Blackmore - (pwhysall) - (7) - July 13, 2006, 04:39:05 PM EDT

Maybe - (bionerd) - July 13, 2006, 04:47:21 PM EDT

OH, I get it. - (jb4) - (1) - July 13, 2006, 04:58:44 PM EDT

. <-- The point You --> .o/ - (pwhysall) - July 13, 2006, 05:11:23 PM EDT

Not the point - (jake123) - (3) - July 13, 2006, 05:05:08 PM EDT

I can too call it crummy music - (admin) - (2) - July 13, 2006, 05:09:58 PM EDT

Not in common usage up here - (jake123) - (1) - July 13, 2006, 06:50:57 PM EDT

I didn't say they were crummy. I said the music was crummy. -NT - (admin) - July 13, 2006, 07:12:15 PM EDT

They're the very devil to clean out of the radiator.
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