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Post #232,661 by broomberg 11/6/05 7:03:29 PM Reply	You got the "lumps"? One of the main diagnostic tools which Dr. St. Amand uses to determine if a patient is correctly responding to guaifenesin, is by examining lumps which he detects on a patient. He maps the body for such lumps. While the definition of fibromyalgia includes the presence of tender points in the body, these points are not necessarily lumpy. Plus, Dr. St. Amand finds many more lumps than the number of known tender points. They literally are all over the body, not just on muscles, but also on tendons and ligaments. Such lumps are not described by any other fibromyalgia researcher, and are not a part of the description of fibromyalgia. It's perplexing that Dr. St. Amands finds these "lesions" (as he often refers to them), while no other fibromyalgia researcher has found any such abnormalities that are specific to fibromyalgia.
Post #232,675 by admin 11/6/05 8:21:03 PM Reply	No, Armand's full of crap IMO. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #232,680 by broomberg 11/6/05 8:29:39 PM Reply	Seems that way Seems like a lot of his "observations" were picking up on EDS symptoms. And the lumps are very common in EDS patients. I'm covered with them, as are my brothers, sister, and kids. And EDS was often confused with FM, until they figured out it was a genetic collagen defect. I bet he mis-diagnosed a bunch of EDS patients.
Post #232,682 by admin 11/6/05 8:49:42 PM Reply	Likely, then. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."

Survey says: - (admin) - (71) - Nov. 3, 2005, 12:19:51 PM EST

Now wait for the other shoe to drop - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Nov. 3, 2005, 12:22:32 PM EST

His personality -NT - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 3, 2005, 12:57:57 PM EST

Or my "friends"... -NT - (admin) - Nov. 3, 2005, 01:03:56 PM EST

Knew someone with that - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Nov. 3, 2005, 12:23:40 PM EST

Yep, that's one thing I'll be investigating. -NT - (admin) - Nov. 3, 2005, 01:04:27 PM EST

Take care of yourself - (Silverlock) - (1) - Nov. 3, 2005, 12:34:52 PM EST

Thanks. - (admin) - Nov. 3, 2005, 01:06:16 PM EST

saw a workup on that, hard to diagnose but some think it is - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 3, 2005, 12:36:50 PM EST

ask your doc if an 1/8 teaspoon of magnesium oxide - (boxley) - Nov. 3, 2005, 12:45:57 PM EST

It's actually a spectrum of disorders. - (admin) - Nov. 3, 2005, 01:07:31 PM EST

Bummer. :-( - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 6, 2005, 04:56:37 PM EST

Going on an elimination diet soon. - (admin) - Nov. 3, 2005, 01:08:36 PM EST

The drug you referenced - (bionerd) - (3) - Nov. 3, 2005, 01:02:14 PM EST

As opposed to half a person? ;-) -NT - (Yendor) - Nov. 3, 2005, 01:12:04 PM EST

Thanks for that info. - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 3, 2005, 01:13:37 PM EST

You need some Peril Sensitive Glasses - (ChrisR) - Nov. 3, 2005, 08:15:27 PM EST

Man, that sucks. - (Yendor) - (2) - Nov. 3, 2005, 01:15:05 PM EST

Not really... - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 3, 2005, 01:21:20 PM EST

Yeah, besides, it's a LOT better than some of the - (jake123) - Nov. 3, 2005, 01:39:50 PM EST

Now fhat you know the problem, here's hoping you can... - (a6l6e6x) - Nov. 3, 2005, 04:46:41 PM EST

I always thought that was the catchall for - (broomberg) - (1) - Nov. 3, 2005, 06:58:37 PM EST

Pretty much. - (admin) - Nov. 3, 2005, 07:24:49 PM EST

with an attitude like that... - (cforde) - Nov. 4, 2005, 12:56:42 AM EST

If you were a horse, etc. -NT - (pwhysall) - Nov. 4, 2005, 03:04:51 AM EST

Good news is, one can live with that for a long time. Bad... - (CRConrad) - (40) - Nov. 4, 2005, 06:37:06 AM EST

Will do. - (admin) - (2) - Nov. 4, 2005, 08:18:05 AM EST

Roger on the Sleep. - (imqwerky) - Nov. 4, 2005, 09:25:03 AM EST

Info-flow can go the other way too:I'll let you know what... - (CRConrad) - Nov. 4, 2005, 10:09:27 AM EST

she has probably seen this one - (boxley) - (36) - Nov. 4, 2005, 01:12:25 PM EST

Nope, she hasn't. Thanks (again), and sorry... - (CRConrad) - Nov. 6, 2005, 04:46:19 PM EST

Interesting - (broomberg) - (34) - Nov. 6, 2005, 05:46:01 PM EST

Expectorants are useful - (imqwerky) - (1) - Nov. 6, 2005, 05:54:08 PM EST

Who knew loogies was a medical term? -NT - (jake123) - Nov. 6, 2005, 06:05:51 PM EST

found it when searching for why my dam bones ache so bad -NT - (boxley) - (31) - Nov. 6, 2005, 05:56:02 PM EST

Holy Fing S**t - (broomberg) - (30) - Nov. 6, 2005, 06:10:00 PM EST

Another Holy Fing S**t - (broomberg) - (29) - Nov. 6, 2005, 06:26:46 PM EST

Magnesium is hard to get... - (admin) - (19) - Nov. 6, 2005, 06:30:51 PM EST

I've got to come up with something else - (broomberg) - (14) - Nov. 6, 2005, 06:56:49 PM EST

Well, you could start eating Apple iBook G4s . . . -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (13) - Nov. 6, 2005, 07:11:36 PM EST

My Thinkpad T41 has a Mg cover too. - (Another Scott) - (12) - Nov. 6, 2005, 07:26:00 PM EST

Well, he's afraid of carbs, so . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (11) - Nov. 6, 2005, 07:47:47 PM EST

Great recommendation - (broomberg) - (3) - Nov. 6, 2005, 08:22:20 PM EST

One reason I'm not likely Mg deficient. - (admin) - (2) - Nov. 6, 2005, 08:23:49 PM EST

Last time I was measured, it was 100/70. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 7, 2005, 01:07:00 AM EST

Re: Last time I was measured, it was 100/70. - (admin) - Nov. 7, 2005, 08:12:35 AM EST

Chard may be good - but broccoli is much better! - (broomberg) - (3) - Nov. 6, 2005, 08:55:44 PM EST

Yeabut - 2 large stalks is waaaay over 1/2 cup . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Nov. 6, 2005, 09:08:29 PM EST

Ah - good point - (broomberg) - (1) - Nov. 6, 2005, 09:24:00 PM EST

Cooking shouldn't be a requirement . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Nov. 6, 2005, 09:46:41 PM EST

Dinner tonight - (broomberg) - (2) - Nov. 7, 2005, 09:55:19 PM EST

Raw Swiss Chard? - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Nov. 7, 2005, 11:21:48 PM EST

Because it's bad for you or because you don't like it? - (broomberg) - Nov. 8, 2005, 06:32:59 AM EST

You got the "lumps"? - (broomberg) - (3) - Nov. 6, 2005, 07:03:29 PM EST

No, Armand's full of crap IMO. -NT - (admin) - (2) - Nov. 6, 2005, 08:21:03 PM EST

Seems that way - (broomberg) - (1) - Nov. 6, 2005, 08:29:39 PM EST

Likely, then. -NT - (admin) - Nov. 6, 2005, 08:49:42 PM EST

dont waste your money! This is what I take - (boxley) - (8) - Nov. 6, 2005, 07:39:34 PM EST

The problem with suplements is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (7) - Nov. 6, 2005, 08:09:30 PM EST

Exactly. -NT - (admin) - Nov. 6, 2005, 08:21:44 PM EST

Yep, one reason chard is often on my shopping list - (Ashton) - (1) - Nov. 6, 2005, 09:42:11 PM EST

ICLRPD: (though other may disagree) (new thread) - (folkert) - Nov. 7, 2005, 11:42:33 AM EST

lets see eat swiss chard or gag down a chemical hmm.chemical -NT - (boxley) - (3) - Nov. 10, 2005, 11:16:02 PM EST

Hmmmm. . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Nov. 10, 2005, 11:24:14 PM EST

And.. that is almost The General pharmchem dilemma :-/ -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 10, 2005, 11:38:18 PM EST

I like it - (broomberg) - Nov. 11, 2005, 07:06:39 PM EST

Turns out it might have a genetic component - (admin) - (3) - Nov. 6, 2005, 09:40:54 PM EST

Ahhh, so you come from "Bad Stock". Too bad... - (folkert) - Nov. 7, 2005, 11:34:24 AM EST

Re: Turns out it might have a genetic component - (dws) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2005, 01:32:38 AM EST

Thanks, I'll look into that. -NT - (admin) - Nov. 15, 2005, 10:01:47 AM EST

Re: Survey says: - (Nightowl) - Nov. 7, 2005, 01:01:14 PM EST

Congratulatons! - (Arkadiy) - Nov. 21, 2005, 09:02:53 PM EST

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