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Post #198,898
by drewk
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3/15/05 11:43:19 PM
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New Now let *me* explain something to *you*
It's not that we don't understand what you're saying, we don't agree. While I don't know of anyone else here who does usability as their primary job, a lot of us have spent quite a bit of time studying it. You can explain your point however you want, we'll still understand and still disagree.


Let's talk some specifics:

* Why is Screensaver under Advanced, while Network Proxy, PGP Preferences and Remote Desktop are top level?

* How is Printing a System Tool?

* Why doesn't Screen Resolution work in a default installation?

* And if it doesn't work, why is it on the menu?

* Why is the Keyboard settings under Accessibility a non-resizable window that doesn't fit vertically within the viewable area of my 800 x 600 laptop display?

None of these strike me as the type of things designed with usability in mind. But hey, at least they got rid of all those confusing options.
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Post #198,907
by pwhysall
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3/16/05 1:18:14 AM
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New Bug. Bug. Bug. Distro Bug. Not a bug. Bug.
Filed 'em? (I should note that the usability-borked "advanced" submenu has gone in 2.10, at least as shipped by Ubuntu).

Having said all that, I've switched to Mac OS X as my primary desktop, so it's all a bit academic to me.

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     Bizarre KDE Bug - (cwbrenn) - (83) - March 13, 2005, 10:18:24 AM EST
         That IS strange. - (imric) - March 13, 2005, 01:41:25 PM EST
         I have the answer... - (folkert) - (81) - March 13, 2005, 04:57:23 PM EST
             Yabut - (altmann) - (1) - March 13, 2005, 05:20:44 PM EST
                 You didn't get my meaning of... - (folkert) - March 13, 2005, 06:45:22 PM EST
             I've had no problems with KDE - (cwbrenn) - (77) - March 13, 2005, 05:41:14 PM EST
                 Oh, I know Chris.... - (folkert) - (76) - March 13, 2005, 06:46:38 PM EST
                     Oh - OK. Gnome sucks. - (imric) - (75) - March 13, 2005, 07:23:14 PM EST
                         I use GNOME. - (folkert) - (55) - March 13, 2005, 11:35:14 PM EST
                             No, it's not insane. - (pwhysall) - (45) - March 14, 2005, 02:16:52 AM EST
                                 *shakes head sadly* - (imric) - (44) - March 14, 2005, 07:05:41 AM EST
                                     /me points at KDE - (pwhysall) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 07:22:20 AM EST
                                         I agree! - (imric) - March 14, 2005, 08:44:59 AM EST
                                     Except - (ubernostrum) - (41) - March 14, 2005, 08:16:54 AM EST
                                         Ummm. - (imric) - (40) - March 14, 2005, 08:42:44 AM EST
                                             I don't think it's silly at all. - (pwhysall) - (39) - March 14, 2005, 09:05:05 AM EST
                                                 What's silly - (imric) - (36) - March 14, 2005, 10:30:18 AM EST
                                                     I don't think it's a hedge argument. - (cwbrenn) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 10:54:17 AM EST
                                                         Mebbe. - (imric) - March 14, 2005, 11:17:30 AM EST
                                                     Feel free to ask for whatever you like. - (pwhysall) - (6) - March 14, 2005, 11:15:10 AM EST
                                                         Re: Feel free to ask for whatever you like. - (ubernostrum) - March 14, 2005, 11:29:47 AM EST
                                                         To be honest, it's not that important to me - (imric) - (3) - March 14, 2005, 11:51:47 AM EST
                                                             To most computer users, - (ubernostrum) - (2) - March 14, 2005, 12:30:27 PM EST
                                                                 No it means "I can change the wallpaper." - (static) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 10:04:03 PM EST
                                                                     That's been a big thing in web-design the past few years. - (ubernostrum) - March 15, 2005, 07:56:13 PM EST
                                                         Tell that to Microsoft - (drewk) - March 14, 2005, 12:23:40 PM EST
                                                     I see. - (ubernostrum) - (26) - March 14, 2005, 11:25:43 AM EST
                                                         ROFL - actually, right! - (imric) - (25) - March 14, 2005, 11:58:54 AM EST
                                                             Ah yes, all that configurability. - (ubernostrum) - (24) - March 14, 2005, 12:19:13 PM EST
                                                                 Ah yes, all that availability. - (imric) - (23) - March 14, 2005, 12:40:52 PM EST
                                                                     You don't get it. - (ubernostrum) - (22) - March 14, 2005, 01:10:52 PM EST
                                                                         Huh? - (bepatient) - (16) - March 14, 2005, 01:43:10 PM EST
                                                                             "Removing functionality people find useful" - (ubernostrum) - (15) - March 14, 2005, 01:59:19 PM EST
                                                                                 Different Levels of Configuration options. - (folkert) - (14) - March 14, 2005, 02:57:26 PM EST
                                                                                     Harder than you think. - (pwhysall) - March 14, 2005, 03:25:01 PM EST
                                                                                     Users are stupid. - (ubernostrum) - (12) - March 14, 2005, 05:05:49 PM EST
                                                                                         I wonder... - (folkert) - (11) - March 14, 2005, 07:20:02 PM EST
                                                                                             I'm not. - (ubernostrum) - (10) - March 14, 2005, 08:44:29 PM EST
                                                                                                 Bah. Firefox made configuration tweaking MORE accessable. -NT - (imric) - (9) - March 14, 2005, 09:02:52 PM EST
                                                                                                     To expand on that - (drewk) - (6) - March 14, 2005, 10:36:56 PM EST
                                                                                                         And I'm saying - (ubernostrum) - (5) - March 15, 2005, 04:13:38 PM EST
                                                                                                             I completely disagree with that assertion. - (bepatient) - (4) - March 15, 2005, 06:28:50 PM EST
                                                                                                                 Let me explain something to you. - (ubernostrum) - (3) - March 15, 2005, 07:51:42 PM EST
                                                                                                                     Now let *me* explain something to *you* - (drewk) - (1) - March 15, 2005, 11:43:19 PM EST
                                                                                                                         Bug. Bug. Bug. Distro Bug. Not a bug. Bug. - (pwhysall) - March 16, 2005, 01:18:14 AM EST
                                                                                                                     Re: Let me explain something to you. - (bepatient) - March 16, 2005, 08:29:19 AM EST
                                                                                                     Re: Bah. Firefox made configuration tweaking MORE accessabl - (ubernostrum) - (1) - March 15, 2005, 04:13:11 PM EST
                                                                                                         So what? - (imric) - March 15, 2005, 04:31:43 PM EST
                                                                         Ummm. What? - (imric) - (4) - March 14, 2005, 02:06:53 PM EST
                                                                             The gconf editor is no harder than about:config -NT - (pwhysall) - (3) - March 14, 2005, 02:36:48 PM EST
                                                                                 And about:config is easier - (imric) - (2) - March 14, 2005, 02:42:00 PM EST
                                                                                     What was there before... - (pwhysall) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 02:46:48 PM EST
                                                                                         One last word (can't resist) - (imric) - March 14, 2005, 03:06:07 PM EST
                                                 Zenworks... - (folkert) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 02:36:41 PM EST
                                                     Does Linux Zenworks do policy, and if so, how? -NT - (pwhysall) - March 14, 2005, 02:37:32 PM EST
                             What Peter said. - (ubernostrum) - (8) - March 14, 2005, 02:39:06 AM EST
                                 That's fine but... - (ben_tilly) - (6) - March 14, 2005, 03:10:21 AM EST
                                     I sympathise with that. - (pwhysall) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 03:16:49 AM EST
                                         I'm pickier than you think - (ben_tilly) - March 14, 2005, 11:20:28 AM EST
                                     GNOME integration - (ubernostrum) - (3) - March 14, 2005, 06:09:49 AM EST
                                         To me, GNOME sucks less than most other stuff. - (folkert) - (2) - March 14, 2005, 08:19:00 AM EST
                                             Coming from OS/2... - (cwbrenn) - March 14, 2005, 10:45:11 AM EST
                                             Maybe doing it every day is the trick - (ben_tilly) - March 14, 2005, 11:15:13 AM EST
                                 That's really the part that ticks me off: - (admin) - March 14, 2005, 11:10:55 AM EST
                         What about those SMB shares? - (Another Scott) - (18) - March 14, 2005, 09:32:21 PM EST
                             You can do all of that! - (pwhysall) - (17) - March 15, 2005, 01:32:23 AM EST
                                 Couldn't prove it by me. - (imric) - (7) - March 15, 2005, 06:50:05 AM EST
                                     Worked out-of-the-box for me. - (ubernostrum) - (6) - March 15, 2005, 04:15:41 PM EST
                                         Which means what? - (imric) - (5) - March 15, 2005, 04:44:58 PM EST
                                             Honestly? - (ubernostrum) - (4) - March 15, 2005, 07:58:14 PM EST
                                                 Uh huh. Yah. This discussion is OVER. - (imric) - (3) - March 15, 2005, 08:30:10 PM EST
                                                     Really? - (ubernostrum) - (1) - March 15, 2005, 08:46:41 PM EST
                                                         pull the other one - (boxley) - March 15, 2005, 09:15:35 PM EST
                                                     s/darkness/being the defacto Linux standard DE/ - (pwhysall) - March 16, 2005, 01:19:10 AM EST
                                 Behold! The new BMW Gnome 75! - (Another Scott) - (8) - March 15, 2005, 07:38:43 AM EST
                                     Ah, yes. - (ubernostrum) - (7) - March 15, 2005, 04:18:44 PM EST
                                         Happy to oblige. :-/ -NT - (Another Scott) - March 15, 2005, 04:38:48 PM EST
                                         When in doubt, claim superiority. -NT - (bepatient) - (4) - March 15, 2005, 06:30:27 PM EST
                                             Re: When in doubt, claim superiority. - (ubernostrum) - (3) - March 15, 2005, 07:49:54 PM EST
                                                 That's a false dichotomy. - (admin) - (2) - March 15, 2005, 10:00:20 PM EST
                                                     Nobody ever said "no configuration" - (ubernostrum) - (1) - March 15, 2005, 10:27:40 PM EST
                                                         Neither did I. -NT - (admin) - March 15, 2005, 10:37:23 PM EST
                                         We seem to be talking about different things. - (Another Scott) - March 15, 2005, 11:24:27 PM EST
             Thats why I use XFCE. - (bepatient) - March 14, 2005, 08:26:18 AM EST

You're typing on a device that stores trillions of pieces of data and makes billions of computations per second with the ability to grab data on almost anything from around the world in milliseconds, using electricity transmitted from hundreds of kilometers through wires on towers dozens of meters tall connected to megastructures that do things like burn coal as fast as entire trains can pull into the yard, or spin in the wind with blades the size of jumbo jets, or the like, which were delivered to their location by vehicles with computer-timed engines burning a fuel that was pumped up halfway around the world from up to half a dozen kilometers underground and locked into complex strata (through wells drilled by diamond-lined bores that can be remote-control steered as they go), shipped around the world in tankers with volumes the size of large city blocks and the height of apartment complexes, run through complex chemical processes in unimaginable quantities, distributed nationwide and sold to you at a corner store for $1.80 a gallon, which you then pay for with a little piece of microchipped plastic, if not a smartphone, which does all of the aforementioned computer stuff but in a box the size of your hand that tolerates getting beaten up in your pocket all day.

But technology never seems to advance...


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