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3/15/05 4:27:47 PM

3/15/05 4:31:43 PM

So what?

If fine configuration (tweaking) of Gnome is not something that your sublass of user (luser?) that Gnome is 'targeting' really wants to do, why would they do it? 'Sane Defaults' would take care of that.

Once again, making this hard to do, DOES NOT ADD VALUE to the desktop. Nobody is clamoring for a desktop that is harder to tweak - though they might once have looked for one that is simpler to use. The two concepts are not even vaguely similar. And here's a clue for you - simpler to use, and easier to tweak - can exist in the same product. FIREFOX IS LIVING PROOF OF THIS. It is both simpler to use than it's ancestor, Mozilla, and easier to tweak.

Gnome is simpler to use - maybe, when it works. It is also HARDER to tweak (and fix). Projecting Firefox's success onto Gnome is false for that reason.

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Bizarre KDE Bug - (cwbrenn) - (83) - March 13, 2005, 10:18:24 AM EST

That IS strange. - (imric) - March 13, 2005, 01:41:25 PM EST

I have the answer... - (folkert) - (81) - March 13, 2005, 04:57:23 PM EST

Yabut - (altmann) - (1) - March 13, 2005, 05:20:44 PM EST

You didn't get my meaning of... - (folkert) - March 13, 2005, 06:45:22 PM EST

I've had no problems with KDE - (cwbrenn) - (77) - March 13, 2005, 05:41:14 PM EST

Oh, I know Chris.... - (folkert) - (76) - March 13, 2005, 06:46:38 PM EST

Oh - OK. Gnome sucks. - (imric) - (75) - March 13, 2005, 07:23:14 PM EST

I use GNOME. - (folkert) - (55) - March 13, 2005, 11:35:14 PM EST

No, it's not insane. - (pwhysall) - (45) - March 14, 2005, 02:16:52 AM EST

*shakes head sadly* - (imric) - (44) - March 14, 2005, 07:05:41 AM EST

/me points at KDE - (pwhysall) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 07:22:20 AM EST

I agree! - (imric) - March 14, 2005, 08:44:59 AM EST

Except - (ubernostrum) - (41) - March 14, 2005, 08:16:54 AM EST

Ummm. - (imric) - (40) - March 14, 2005, 08:42:44 AM EST

I don't think it's silly at all. - (pwhysall) - (39) - March 14, 2005, 09:05:05 AM EST

What's silly - (imric) - (36) - March 14, 2005, 10:30:18 AM EST

I don't think it's a hedge argument. - (cwbrenn) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 10:54:17 AM EST

Mebbe. - (imric) - March 14, 2005, 11:17:30 AM EST

Feel free to ask for whatever you like. - (pwhysall) - (6) - March 14, 2005, 11:15:10 AM EST

Re: Feel free to ask for whatever you like. - (ubernostrum) - March 14, 2005, 11:29:47 AM EST

To be honest, it's not that important to me - (imric) - (3) - March 14, 2005, 11:51:47 AM EST

To most computer users, - (ubernostrum) - (2) - March 14, 2005, 12:30:27 PM EST

No it means "I can change the wallpaper." - (static) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 10:04:03 PM EST

That's been a big thing in web-design the past few years. - (ubernostrum) - March 15, 2005, 07:56:13 PM EST

Tell that to Microsoft - (drewk) - March 14, 2005, 12:23:40 PM EST

I see. - (ubernostrum) - (26) - March 14, 2005, 11:25:43 AM EST

ROFL - actually, right! - (imric) - (25) - March 14, 2005, 11:58:54 AM EST

Ah yes, all that configurability. - (ubernostrum) - (24) - March 14, 2005, 12:19:13 PM EST

Ah yes, all that availability. - (imric) - (23) - March 14, 2005, 12:40:52 PM EST

You don't get it. - (ubernostrum) - (22) - March 14, 2005, 01:10:52 PM EST

Huh? - (bepatient) - (16) - March 14, 2005, 01:43:10 PM EST

"Removing functionality people find useful" - (ubernostrum) - (15) - March 14, 2005, 01:59:19 PM EST

Different Levels of Configuration options. - (folkert) - (14) - March 14, 2005, 02:57:26 PM EST

Harder than you think. - (pwhysall) - March 14, 2005, 03:25:01 PM EST

Users are stupid. - (ubernostrum) - (12) - March 14, 2005, 05:05:49 PM EST

I wonder... - (folkert) - (11) - March 14, 2005, 07:20:02 PM EST

I'm not. - (ubernostrum) - (10) - March 14, 2005, 08:44:29 PM EST

Bah. Firefox made configuration tweaking MORE accessable. -NT - (imric) - (9) - March 14, 2005, 09:02:52 PM EST

To expand on that - (drewk) - (6) - March 14, 2005, 10:36:56 PM EST

And I'm saying - (ubernostrum) - (5) - March 15, 2005, 04:13:38 PM EST

I completely disagree with that assertion. - (bepatient) - (4) - March 15, 2005, 06:28:50 PM EST

Let me explain something to you. - (ubernostrum) - (3) - March 15, 2005, 07:51:42 PM EST

Now let *me* explain something to *you* - (drewk) - (1) - March 15, 2005, 11:43:19 PM EST

Bug. Bug. Bug. Distro Bug. Not a bug. Bug. - (pwhysall) - March 16, 2005, 01:18:14 AM EST

Re: Let me explain something to you. - (bepatient) - March 16, 2005, 08:29:19 AM EST

Re: Bah. Firefox made configuration tweaking MORE accessabl - (ubernostrum) - (1) - March 15, 2005, 04:13:11 PM EST

So what? - (imric) - March 15, 2005, 04:31:43 PM EST

Ummm. What? - (imric) - (4) - March 14, 2005, 02:06:53 PM EST

The gconf editor is no harder than about:config -NT - (pwhysall) - (3) - March 14, 2005, 02:36:48 PM EST

And about:config is easier - (imric) - (2) - March 14, 2005, 02:42:00 PM EST

What was there before... - (pwhysall) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 02:46:48 PM EST

One last word (can't resist) - (imric) - March 14, 2005, 03:06:07 PM EST

Zenworks... - (folkert) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 02:36:41 PM EST

Does Linux Zenworks do policy, and if so, how? -NT - (pwhysall) - March 14, 2005, 02:37:32 PM EST

What Peter said. - (ubernostrum) - (8) - March 14, 2005, 02:39:06 AM EST

That's fine but... - (ben_tilly) - (6) - March 14, 2005, 03:10:21 AM EST

I sympathise with that. - (pwhysall) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 03:16:49 AM EST

I'm pickier than you think - (ben_tilly) - March 14, 2005, 11:20:28 AM EST

GNOME integration - (ubernostrum) - (3) - March 14, 2005, 06:09:49 AM EST

To me, GNOME sucks less than most other stuff. - (folkert) - (2) - March 14, 2005, 08:19:00 AM EST

Coming from OS/2... - (cwbrenn) - March 14, 2005, 10:45:11 AM EST

Maybe doing it every day is the trick - (ben_tilly) - March 14, 2005, 11:15:13 AM EST

That's really the part that ticks me off: - (admin) - March 14, 2005, 11:10:55 AM EST

What about those SMB shares? - (Another Scott) - (18) - March 14, 2005, 09:32:21 PM EST

You can do all of that! - (pwhysall) - (17) - March 15, 2005, 01:32:23 AM EST

Couldn't prove it by me. - (imric) - (7) - March 15, 2005, 06:50:05 AM EST

Worked out-of-the-box for me. - (ubernostrum) - (6) - March 15, 2005, 04:15:41 PM EST

Which means what? - (imric) - (5) - March 15, 2005, 04:44:58 PM EST

Honestly? - (ubernostrum) - (4) - March 15, 2005, 07:58:14 PM EST

Uh huh. Yah. This discussion is OVER. - (imric) - (3) - March 15, 2005, 08:30:10 PM EST

Really? - (ubernostrum) - (1) - March 15, 2005, 08:46:41 PM EST

pull the other one - (boxley) - March 15, 2005, 09:15:35 PM EST

s/darkness/being the defacto Linux standard DE/ - (pwhysall) - March 16, 2005, 01:19:10 AM EST

Behold! The new BMW Gnome 75! - (Another Scott) - (8) - March 15, 2005, 07:38:43 AM EST

Ah, yes. - (ubernostrum) - (7) - March 15, 2005, 04:18:44 PM EST

Happy to oblige. :-/ -NT - (Another Scott) - March 15, 2005, 04:38:48 PM EST

When in doubt, claim superiority. -NT - (bepatient) - (4) - March 15, 2005, 06:30:27 PM EST

Re: When in doubt, claim superiority. - (ubernostrum) - (3) - March 15, 2005, 07:49:54 PM EST

That's a false dichotomy. - (admin) - (2) - March 15, 2005, 10:00:20 PM EST

Nobody ever said "no configuration" - (ubernostrum) - (1) - March 15, 2005, 10:27:40 PM EST

Neither did I. -NT - (admin) - March 15, 2005, 10:37:23 PM EST

We seem to be talking about different things. - (Another Scott) - March 15, 2005, 11:24:27 PM EST

Thats why I use XFCE. - (bepatient) - March 14, 2005, 08:26:18 AM EST

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