It is a personal idiom.

Post #392,532 by mmoffitt 7/29/14 10:47:37 AM Reply	It is a personal idiom. One which, I submit, accurately describes the regions of DE, MA, NY, CT, ME, DC and NJ. Take away bit processing and paper pushing and those folks have literally nothing to contribute. Left to their own devices, they'd starve in a fortnight. Yet somehow they've managed to nearly destroy the entire economy twice. As a bonus, they gave us the first Civil War and this century is young enough and their policies and outright ownership of the federal government comprehensive enough to start a Civil War in this century and keep their string of "contributions" alive. With respect to your characterization of me being an unhip, uncool dead-ender, I take no offense. The best years of this country are behind it; there is no saving it now. The best days of this country came about when the now idiotic notions such as, "It isn't in one's best interest to be a drug addict" were held by the majority. These were not the views of the unkempt, unwashed fringe of The Haight during the era and I concede those "stupid old ideas" have fallen out of favor with the majority and it appears increasingly as though the theretofore considered "rantings of the drug crazed minority" have become de riguere. So, I accept willingly the appellation "dead-ender." I also confess I am quite pleased that my childhood heroes Illych and Sergeyevich are to be proven at least partially right and that this will happen likely in my lifetime - we will fall and from within.
Post #392,533 by pwhysall 7/29/14 12:19:19 PM Reply	Re: It is a personal idiom. Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.
Post #392,535 by Another Scott 7/29/14 12:26:45 PM Reply	rofl. :-)
Post #392,534 by rcareaga 7/29/14 12:23:13 PM Reply	and as an added bonus In that case, you'll also live long enough to see those damn kids get off your lawn. For the rest, I'll take your "worthless thumb" over the pus-filled cyst that is the American South. cordially,
Post #392,537 by folkert 7/29/14 12:39:39 PM Reply	Now now... Let's not get nasty about pus. You might hurt its feelings. -- greg@gregfolkert.net "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
Post #392,539 by rcareaga 7/29/14 12:50:26 PM Reply	Ubi pus, ibi evacua
Post #392,538 by mmoffitt 7/29/14 12:49:43 PM 7/29/14 12:54:34 PM Reply	I knew you were a closet bankster fan. [Edit] Seriously? You prefer this: http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/01/51/0151fbf1889696feed879ee8ffa37396.jpg to this: http://www.comforceasheville.com/images/AshevilleDowntownDay.gif boggle Edited by mmoffitt July 29, 2014, 12:54:34 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #392,541 by malraux 7/29/14 1:05:54 PM Reply	Cherry-picking for fun and profit. Pretty sure you're not that dumb, Mike, so you must be aware that you're being disingenuous. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #392,542 by mmoffitt 7/29/14 1:08:43 PM Reply	Okay. Mea Culpa. But even with all its warts I'd still rather live in the South or, $DEITY help me, Indiana than anywhere in the Northeast.
Post #392,544 by malraux 7/29/14 1:11:42 PM Reply	Not me. Fundies, humidity, and way too many hard right conservatives for my taste. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #392,549 by mmoffitt 7/29/14 2:02:57 PM Reply	Vermont might be okay. But I grew up in Southern Cal so I know what it's like to live on an ant hill. I had way too much of that. In the South you still have the opportunity for space. And the Blue Ridge Mountains are not all that humid. Of course, there are the Copperheads, Cottonmouths and rattlesnakes to contend with.
Post #392,557 by malraux 7/29/14 3:11:07 PM Reply	You don't think all of NY looks like NYC, right? Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #392,559 by mmoffitt 7/29/14 3:12:12 PM Reply	Sure. Some of it looks like Buffalo. (just kidding)
Post #392,546 by rcareaga 7/29/14 1:38:46 PM Reply	To paraphrase the late Herb Caen It's pleasant to think that the kind of people who prefer Indiana to Massachusetts tend to live in Indiana. (and yeah, as malreaux points out, one could as well trot out a picture of a tony neighborhood in Princeton NJ and pair it with a particularly unphotogenic trailerpark out in the White Trash Mountains of Kentucky without scoring any meaningful points for the favored region.) cordially,
Post #392,548 by mmoffitt 7/29/14 1:59:35 PM Reply	And support those living in MA, NJ, NY, etc sic nauseum.
Post #392,551 by rcareaga 7/29/14 2:43:12 PM Reply	Walked right into that one, didn't you? Federal tax dollars received vs. federal tax dollars paid: New Jersey: 0.61:1.00 New York: 0.79:1.00 Massachusetts: 0.82:1.00 Indiana: 1.05:1.00 Tell us again about how you stalwart midwestern yeomen subsidize the "takers" in the Northeast? Gawd, but you're a pretty big fish in a pretty small barrel. cordially,
Post #392,552 by mmoffitt 7/29/14 2:56:02 PM Reply	I ain't talkin' just about the taxes, Sparky. How many investment banksters are in MA? You think that ain't stealin'?
Post #392,553 by Another Scott 7/29/14 3:02:07 PM Reply	At least 4 billionaires live in Indiana. http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/hoosiers-forbes-400-richest-people-list-55813/ HTH!! Cheers, Scott.
Post #392,558 by mmoffitt 7/29/14 3:11:14 PM Reply	Dang, 0.5 * MA billionaires. Thanks for the non-answer answer.
Post #392,563 by Another Scott 7/29/14 3:20:39 PM Reply	Anytime. I still get a chuckle out of the idea of arguing with a Marxist with his own private airplane. :-D Cheers, Scott.
Post #392,565 by mmoffitt 7/29/14 3:37:10 PM Reply	You mean Aeroflot West? ;0)
Post #392,566 by Andrew Grygus 7/29/14 3:56:58 PM Reply	"From each according to his abilities . . . . . to each according to his needs." I'm sure he can come up with some very good reasons why he really, really needs that airplane.
Post #392,570 by mmoffitt 7/29/14 4:48:35 PM Reply	I have only one good reason. I will be directing the revolution from the air.
Post #392,573 by Andrew Grygus 7/29/14 5:32:31 PM Reply	Not for long - the Russians . . . . . will happily sell the capitalists SA-3/S125s.
Post #392,554 by rcareaga 7/29/14 3:04:48 PM Reply	Nice save: Not.
Post #392,567 by rcareaga 7/29/14 4:09:49 PM Reply	talk about "disingenuous." Actually, this riposte screeches right over disingenuous and right into dishonesty.
Post #392,569 by mmoffitt 7/29/14 4:46:04 PM Reply	Dishonest? How so? State Street Corp, Nuance, OneBeacon Insurance, EMC, Akamai, Eaton Vance, Kopin Corp, are these not all bit twiddlers or paper pushers? In what way is it dishonest to say so? But let's not isolate the Worthless Thumb to just MA. The biggest waste of everything is New York. There's not a single person on Wall Street, arguably on the entire Manhattan Island, who ever got a dime that he didn't steal from someone else - in most cases a Non-New Yorker. The only thing Wall Street and their Boston based cousins are good for is extracting all value from something - anything. Goldman was at one time (perhaps still is) the world's largest oil company. Do they do anything with the oil? Nope. Do they even receive oil? Nope, don't have the ability. But they can make tens of millions of dollars by insuring that all the people who use it pay them for nothing. They took our pensions, they took the value of our homes, they screwed the entire world's economy up by playing with oil prices and betting against their own "products" and they're well on their way to screwing us even harder should we "decide" to "consume" health care. They are now and always have been a non-value-added tax upon virtually everything that is used in this country. And, as another bonus, they own our alleged representation in DC. Plain and simple these people are not to be trusted, not the best of them.
Post #392,571 by rcareaga 7/29/14 5:07:41 PM Reply	hyperbole much? There's not a single person on Wall Street, arguably on the entire Manhattan Island, who ever got a dime that he didn't steal from someone else And there's not a single North American of European descent living today who didn't personally participate in the extermination of the continent's indigenous peoples. Geez, mmoffitt, listen to yourself!
Post #392,579 by malraux 7/29/14 6:27:43 PM Reply	I have never exaggerated in my entire life! Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #392,574 by boxley 7/29/14 5:41:47 PM Reply	hookers and coke dealers dont contribute? disagree Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #392,594 by Ashton 7/30/14 4:23:36 AM 7/30/14 4:43:40 AM Reply	Re: Dishonest? How so? (You didn't need any hyperbole..) That the vast %wealth of the dis-USA IS in the pockets of effete-inheritors, of System-gamers, of the mere ethics-free ordinary greed-driven--sociopaths most-all--seems obvious by inspection. Further psychoanalyzing all of these, merely adds colorless-detail to a bunch of exploitive misanthropes: now owning simply %ludicrous of All [material + services] There Is. Does one really need numbers to more than a couple decimal places to see this utter Proof-of-failure? Does one need Robert's Rules of Order for the obvious to be adjudged-sane/else the conclusion may be ignored? Marx 'won', but mayhap.. had he addressed/parsed a question of ~ "whether Vulture-capitalism might be.. corralled into some potentially benign direction" (?) his Win might now be uncontested--he left a loophole for that argument. Besides, it wasn't Marxism which was proven-faulty: Stalin's personality alone, as solo dictator: annulled any checks and balances of that 'democratic centralism'--a self-evident root of Lenin's idea of practical governance (unless I missed 3 or 4 others. Nothing is ever this simple.) This is all moot, here. 'Capitalism' (especially the destructive mind-sets in all other areas of Life, which it inculcates) focusses upon clever, ethics-free manipulations on all scales: is therefore Anti-Society of any sort (unless one accepts the gambling palace rubric, Winner Takes All.) (As to the prevailing gullibility and pig-ignorance: you can blame whatever -ism includes a financial model which guarantees that a large majority of the populace shall remain perpetually insecure; of food, medical care and domicile. Screw the pot, too: Muricans were as oblivious before as during its rise as an Escape-nostrum from the prevailing shitty-zeitgeist. Ed: double [-] Edited by Ashton July 30, 2014, 04:43:40 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #392,568 by rcareaga 7/29/14 4:09:55 PM 7/29/14 4:11:15 PM Reply	inexplicable dupe (a handle we might apply to the target) Edited by rcareaga July 29, 2014, 04:11:15 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #392,547 by pwhysall 7/29/14 1:40:49 PM Reply	Jesusland? No thanks.
Post #392,556 by boxley 7/29/14 3:09:18 PM Reply	that may be overblown most of the reasons folks that go to church in the south is to meet other folks wives. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #392,560 by mmoffitt 7/29/14 3:12:51 PM Reply	And daughters. And cousins. ;0)
Post #392,576 by drook 7/29/14 6:01:11 PM Reply	They can stay home and meet daughters. And cousins. -- Drew
Post #392,600 by mmoffitt 7/30/14 8:08:08 AM Reply	I meant neighbor's daughter's and cousins. Oops. Forget it. You're right. ;0)

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