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Post #157,919
by Another Scott
5/31/04 11:29:04 PM
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New Compare 2nd Amendment to VA Bill of Rights from 6/12/1776
[link|http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/va_const_1776.html|Here]:

SEC. 13. That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free State; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided, as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.


[link|http://www.libertyhaven.com/theoreticalorphilosophicalissues/history/fatherbill.html|George Mason], of Virginia, was greatly responsible for the VA and US Bills of Rights. I don't know enough about the documents to say why the text was changed, but it seems clear that the 2nd Amendment comes from a document that was concerned with state militias. Perhaps someone can find the time to dig through [link|http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/fed46.htm|Federalist 46] and related documents to shed some light on this.

Cheers,
Scott.
Post #157,986
by jake123
6/1/04 1:20:17 PM
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New interesting
that sounds like the practical history of the Canadian armed forces... we tend to build them quick when we need them, and shrink and starve 'em the rest of the time. This helps to mitigate against foreign adventurism; a factor in the decision not to go in with you guys on Iraq is because our commitment to Afghanistan pretty much used up any slack we had in the system, and then some. Of course, the fact that it was very much not supported by the Canadian public (who did, after all, widely support the decision to invade Afghanistan), that it would give Harper (leader of the opposition) fits, and that Chretien by this point had made his opinion of GWB pretty clear (can you say epais?) as was his opinion of the quality of the information that the US was attempting to present to tie Saddam to 9/11. 
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     A little Salon *Flash* to remind us - (Ashton) - (84) - May 28, 2004, 06:41:46 AM EDT
         If I may paraphrase you: Love ....... It! - (Meerkat) - (1) - May 28, 2004, 06:47:16 AM EDT
             not hardly - (boxley) - May 28, 2004, 10:09:04 AM EDT
         What a load of cr@p. - (imric) - (81) - May 28, 2004, 09:30:21 AM EDT
             That's one way of looking at it. - (pwhysall) - (25) - May 28, 2004, 04:23:51 PM EDT
                 Put a price tag on it and it's as good as sold... - (hnick) - May 28, 2004, 05:06:37 PM EDT
                 Chances of getting filled in here are much lower than there - (boxley) - (2) - May 28, 2004, 07:41:17 PM EDT
                     'filled in'? - (Silverlock) - (1) - May 28, 2004, 08:08:58 PM EDT
                         euphemism for getting the crap kicked out of you -NT - (boxley) - May 29, 2004, 10:07:27 AM EDT
                 And how many males have - (imric) - (20) - May 29, 2004, 08:09:56 AM EDT
                     Well, if your characters are so flawed... - (CRConrad) - (15) - May 29, 2004, 06:26:27 PM EDT
                         Did I? As if we stood on a par? No. - (imric) - (14) - May 29, 2004, 08:21:15 PM EDT
                             Re: Did I? As if we stood on a par? No. - (pwhysall) - (3) - May 30, 2004, 04:05:17 AM EDT
                                 They do - (jake123) - (2) - May 30, 2004, 11:03:35 AM EDT
                                     Wrong guns are designed only to kill humans - (boxley) - (1) - May 30, 2004, 11:27:12 AM EDT
                                         The answer is "does not approve of any killing" - (jake123) - May 30, 2004, 11:33:27 AM EDT
                             Did I? Is that a cogent counter to my argument? No. - (CRConrad) - (9) - May 30, 2004, 05:44:42 PM EDT
                                 No it's not enough. - (imric) - (2) - May 30, 2004, 07:04:14 PM EDT
                                     You're misunderstanding me completely. (And intentionally?) - (CRConrad) - (1) - May 31, 2004, 03:30:50 AM EDT
                                         + OK... -NT - (imric) - May 31, 2004, 03:33:48 AM EDT
                                 the big disconnect between us - (boxley) - (5) - May 30, 2004, 07:28:09 PM EDT
                                     He has post Nazi PC disease - (deSitter) - (1) - May 30, 2004, 07:31:55 PM EDT
                                         Oh, POAD, you frigging moron. - (CRConrad) - May 31, 2004, 03:47:31 AM EDT
                                     You are totally wrong there, Box. (What else is new? :-) -NT - (CRConrad) - (2) - May 31, 2004, 03:44:47 AM EDT
                                         after reading you reply to Imric on why you joined in - (boxley) - (1) - May 31, 2004, 10:38:54 AM EDT
                                             Sure there is - (deSitter) - May 31, 2004, 11:01:37 AM EDT
                     Re: And how many males have - (deSitter) - (3) - May 30, 2004, 04:13:58 AM EDT
                         Top-notch! - (Ashton) - May 30, 2004, 05:29:10 AM EDT
                         Wow, an anagram! I guess that proves it then. ;) -NT - (FuManChu) - (1) - May 30, 2004, 02:08:01 PM EDT
                             There is no doubt - (deSitter) - May 30, 2004, 02:58:38 PM EDT
             So then..EEZ-availability is entirely Irrelevant.___ I see. -NT - (Ashton) - (54) - May 28, 2004, 04:55:36 PM EDT
                 Yes. Coincidental. -NT - (imric) - (53) - May 29, 2004, 08:11:07 AM EDT
                     "Coincidence"??? Bullpucky! - (CRConrad) - (52) - May 29, 2004, 06:49:24 PM EDT
                         Ill start worrying when my chance of dying by a bullet - (boxley) - (2) - May 29, 2004, 06:53:05 PM EDT
                             That's silly. - (pwhysall) - (1) - May 30, 2004, 04:12:29 AM EDT
                                 ROFL! I wont reduce my risk of puking blood in my own fat - (boxley) - May 30, 2004, 11:33:25 AM EDT
                         Re: "Coincidence"??? Bullpucky! - (admin) - (13) - May 29, 2004, 06:58:06 PM EDT
                             Yeah, possible, but I think that's discounted for already. - (CRConrad) - (2) - May 29, 2004, 07:04:01 PM EDT
                                 Either way... - (admin) - (1) - May 29, 2004, 07:11:11 PM EDT
                                     What do you mean by "problem"? - (CRConrad) - May 30, 2004, 06:19:00 PM EDT
                             Nod. - (imric) - (1) - May 29, 2004, 08:30:34 PM EDT
                                 Pure Boolean. Again. - (Ashton) - May 30, 2004, 06:04:17 AM EDT
                             Oakland calling - (rcareaga) - (7) - May 30, 2004, 11:27:01 AM EDT
                                 just be glad they are not using grenades or suicide bombers - (boxley) - (6) - May 30, 2004, 11:35:56 AM EDT
                                     Whatever, Box. - (pwhysall) - (4) - May 30, 2004, 11:39:09 AM EDT
                                         gee the guy that does that is - (boxley) - (3) - May 30, 2004, 11:41:14 AM EDT
                                             I'd say that's part of the problem. - (inthane-chan) - (2) - May 30, 2004, 08:12:33 PM EDT
                                                 Um, I must pick that nit. - (Another Scott) - (1) - May 30, 2004, 08:38:11 PM EDT
                                                     No argument there. - (inthane-chan) - May 30, 2004, 09:05:22 PM EDT
                                     Private ownership of guns banned in Chicago - (lincoln) - May 30, 2004, 08:33:17 PM EDT
                         Guns are not a cause. - (imric) - (34) - May 29, 2004, 08:29:31 PM EDT
                             Computers were designed for things other than virus creation - (Meerkat) - (27) - May 29, 2004, 08:45:16 PM EDT
                                 'stuff'? - (imric) - (26) - May 29, 2004, 09:07:28 PM EDT
                                     Completely not the point I was trying to get across. - (Meerkat) - (25) - May 29, 2004, 09:37:53 PM EDT
                                         Missing mine. - (imric) - (24) - May 29, 2004, 09:43:40 PM EDT
                                             Guns like computers are tools - (orion) - (23) - May 30, 2004, 01:13:01 AM EDT
                                                 Re: Guns like computers are tools - (pwhysall) - (22) - May 30, 2004, 04:03:00 AM EDT
                                                     You note the futility, but ... - (Another Scott) - (21) - May 30, 2004, 12:37:52 PM EDT
                                                         Militias != army !=police - (imric) - (20) - May 30, 2004, 03:01:44 PM EDT
                                                             I can't help it. - (mmoffitt) - (19) - May 31, 2004, 03:50:47 PM EDT
                                                                 larn yersel history - (boxley) - (4) - May 31, 2004, 04:35:51 PM EDT
                                                                     You want to check those dates again? - (mmoffitt) - (3) - May 31, 2004, 08:04:31 PM EDT
                                                                         absolute bull puckey from a man who grew up in NC - (boxley) - (2) - May 31, 2004, 11:27:57 PM EDT
                                                                             That we would owe to... - (mmoffitt) - (1) - June 1, 2004, 11:24:00 AM EDT
                                                                                 Somewhat OT: a single Frenchman - (admin) - June 1, 2004, 04:43:40 PM EDT
                                                                 Sorry. Wrong. - (imric) - (13) - May 31, 2004, 07:36:51 PM EDT
                                                                     Guess again. - (mmoffitt) - (11) - May 31, 2004, 08:09:23 PM EDT
                                                                         Yeah, and what other 'perversions' have occured via SC? - (imric) - (10) - May 31, 2004, 08:47:29 PM EDT
                                                                             Who said anything about the Army? - (mmoffitt) - (9) - May 31, 2004, 11:11:32 PM EDT
                                                                                 Compare 2nd Amendment to VA Bill of Rights from 6/12/1776 - (Another Scott) - (1) - May 31, 2004, 11:29:04 PM EDT
                                                                                     interesting - (jake123) - June 1, 2004, 01:20:17 PM EDT
                                                                                 So according to you the supreme court is never wrong? - (boxley) - May 31, 2004, 11:29:53 PM EDT
                                                                                 Militia - (bepatient) - (5) - May 31, 2004, 11:30:25 PM EDT
                                                                                     Did *you* understand the *original* definition? - (CRConrad) - (4) - June 1, 2004, 04:31:57 AM EDT
                                                                                         Nice try, but.. - (Ashton) - June 1, 2004, 06:03:54 AM EDT
                                                                                         No. - (imric) - (1) - June 1, 2004, 06:27:08 AM EDT
                                                                                             that is a very good point - (SpiceWare) - June 1, 2004, 09:50:31 AM EDT
                                                                                         Wanna read what started it? - (bepatient) - June 1, 2004, 02:24:35 PM EDT
                                                                     Then.. in a Document renowned for its blinding clarity, - (Ashton) - May 31, 2004, 08:14:34 PM EDT
                             Re: Guns are not a cause. - (pwhysall) - (1) - May 30, 2004, 04:11:04 AM EDT
                                 yes they both should be legal and cheap - (boxley) - May 30, 2004, 11:39:04 AM EDT
                             They don't have to be. Are you denying they are a means? - (CRConrad) - (3) - May 30, 2004, 06:24:58 PM EDT
                                 Patriots. I understand him perfectly. - (deSitter) - (2) - May 30, 2004, 06:28:04 PM EDT
                                     Aye. -NT - (imric) - May 30, 2004, 07:08:11 PM EDT
                                     Yeah, yeah. All noble sentiments... - (CRConrad) - May 31, 2004, 03:41:28 AM EDT

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