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Post #147,469
by Andrew Grygus
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3/21/04 6:53:48 PM
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New Probably mostly creme fraiche, which you can't get . .
. . in the U.S. because it can't be made from pasturized milk. Getting unpasturized milk in the U.S. is a big problem (here in Los Angeles we've always had Altadena, but the health authorities keep trying to shut it down "just because").

Creme Fraiche is different from sour cream in that it strongly resists curdling and separation at higher temperatures and it can be whipped like whipping cream. Sour cream doesn't qualify in either case.
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Post #147,473
by CRConrad
3/21/04 7:03:18 PM
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New Nope. With *cereal*?!? "Corn flakes and Creme Fraiche"???
That would be a right mess, wouldn't it... Not something you could slurp down before you're even half-awake, for sure. No, what I called "sour milk" is more like yoghurt or kefir, consistency-wise.

Come to think of it, one kind of sour milk is called "churning milk" -- as in, churning butter -- in both Swedish and Finnish, and that doesn't seem too different from the other kinds, to me; so it might well be that they're all something like the "butter milk" BOx was on about.

Or you can of course use ordinary regular bog-standard normal milk with your cereal. Our Matsku, for instance, usually pours that over his Wheeties or Cheerios or whateverthefuck those vaguely-grain-based sugar-and-chemicals calorie-bomb concoctions are called.


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     Drawing the Battle Lines - (Andrew Grygus) - (72) - March 20, 2004, 01:42:44 PM EST
         Vegi-moderate - (Andrew Grygus) - March 20, 2004, 01:47:08 PM EST
         Carno-Moderate - (Yendor) - March 20, 2004, 01:52:17 PM EST
         British - (pwhysall) - (6) - March 20, 2004, 01:56:01 PM EST
             Yes, but . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (4) - March 20, 2004, 02:26:09 PM EST
                 Stereotype, AFAICT - (pwhysall) - (3) - March 20, 2004, 02:30:02 PM EST
                     A few years ago Natural History magazine . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - March 20, 2004, 02:45:00 PM EST
                         I imagine that cuisine in Detroit is not dissimilar - (pwhysall) - March 20, 2004, 02:53:07 PM EST
                         Re: A few years ago Natural History magazine . . - (deSitter) - March 20, 2004, 08:21:07 PM EST
             remember a breakfast in Landridnod Wells, Wales - (boxley) - March 20, 2004, 04:55:54 PM EST
         Carnivore unless count potatoes as vegies -NT - (ChrisR) - March 20, 2004, 02:29:44 PM EST
         Too Little Time Carno-Vegi-Industrial-Moderate - (Another Scott) - March 20, 2004, 04:21:39 PM EST
         Some nits - (admin) - (6) - March 20, 2004, 06:20:46 PM EST
             Vegans etc. - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - March 20, 2004, 07:19:02 PM EST
                 Welp, since I used to be a non-ethical Vegan... - (admin) - March 20, 2004, 07:22:58 PM EST
                 macrobiotics, is that like a Hari Krishna dinner? - (boxley) - (3) - March 20, 2004, 07:49:32 PM EST
                     Don't know about other areas . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - March 20, 2004, 08:28:25 PM EST
                         Right: fungi decidedly not satwic ;-) - (Ashton) - (1) - March 22, 2004, 05:57:31 AM EST
                             It makes perfect sense . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - March 22, 2004, 08:45:21 PM EST
         Carno-Moderate to Carnivore - (lincoln) - March 20, 2004, 06:22:17 PM EST
         Most of the above - (Meerkat) - (3) - March 20, 2004, 06:33:25 PM EST
             Australian Wine. - (Andrew Grygus) - March 20, 2004, 07:29:31 PM EST
             Well Australian Wines are far better than Most US wines - (boxley) - March 20, 2004, 07:53:33 PM EST
             I'm with you. - (FuManChu) - March 21, 2004, 01:21:35 AM EST
         will only eat vegetarian meat - (boxley) - March 20, 2004, 07:05:26 PM EST
         Re: Drawing the Battle Lines - (deSitter) - (1) - March 20, 2004, 08:09:46 PM EST
             I'm about where you are - (ben_tilly) - March 21, 2004, 04:28:08 AM EST
         Carno-Moderate r'Us. - (a6l6e6x) - (3) - March 20, 2004, 08:08:04 PM EST
             dang fine iced tea it is :-) -NT - (boxley) - March 20, 2004, 08:15:03 PM EST
             Re: Carno-Moderate r'Us. - (deSitter) - March 20, 2004, 08:16:37 PM EST
             Year-round, but instant -NT - (drewk) - March 22, 2004, 09:37:26 PM EST
         Once Macrobiotic, now Industrial - (tjsinclair) - (11) - March 20, 2004, 10:45:06 PM EST
             Is there a potential market for industrial macrobiotic food? - (boxley) - (10) - March 20, 2004, 11:22:29 PM EST
                 Not quite miso soup, but . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - March 21, 2004, 12:14:29 AM EST
                     seen a lot of viet stores local but no Korean - (boxley) - March 21, 2004, 10:48:33 AM EST
                 Possibly - (tjsinclair) - (7) - March 21, 2004, 01:39:46 PM EST
                     Well, there are very good reasons . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - March 21, 2004, 02:02:05 PM EST
                         I prefer using gas myself - (tjsinclair) - (3) - March 21, 2004, 03:08:22 PM EST
                             Ditto. - (Another Scott) - (2) - March 21, 2004, 03:17:07 PM EST
                                 Those buttons are all in a horizontal row? - (FuManChu) - (1) - March 21, 2004, 06:08:48 PM EST
                                     Yup. You volunteering? ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - March 21, 2004, 06:19:26 PM EST
                         Bad burn with my new electric - (drewk) - (1) - March 22, 2004, 09:41:36 PM EST
                             New electrics can be dangerous. - (Andrew Grygus) - March 23, 2004, 12:57:35 AM EST
         Battle lines and labels... - (hnick) - (2) - March 21, 2004, 08:46:06 AM EST
             ? I'm sure the labels are tongue-in-cheek. - (Another Scott) - March 21, 2004, 08:51:33 AM EST
             A sense of humor goes well with food . . - (Andrew Grygus) - March 21, 2004, 10:28:32 AM EST
         Omnivore and proud. I guess that make me Carno-Moderate - (Silverlock) - (3) - March 21, 2004, 10:53:01 AM EST
             Ditto. I like to call it "well-balanced" ;-) - (bepatient) - March 21, 2004, 12:47:47 PM EST
             Nothing that moves and no insects. - (pwhysall) - (1) - March 21, 2004, 03:05:08 PM EST
                 you mean no whole insects - (boxley) - March 21, 2004, 04:01:22 PM EST
         Smack in the middle... - (CRConrad) - (17) - March 21, 2004, 05:42:26 PM EST
             whats a traditional Finnish Breakfast consist of? - (boxley) - (15) - March 21, 2004, 05:46:28 PM EST
                 Porridge / sandwiches / cereals in sour milk + lots o'coffee -NT - (CRConrad) - (14) - March 21, 2004, 05:53:12 PM EST
                     sour milk as in buttermilk? how is it soured? -NT - (boxley) - (13) - March 21, 2004, 06:40:35 PM EST
                         Bacteria cultures; dunno what, exactly. What's "buttermilk"? -NT - (CRConrad) - (10) - March 21, 2004, 06:53:16 PM EST
                             Buttermilk . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (8) - March 21, 2004, 06:56:03 PM EST
                                 No, milk doesn't have to be soured to make butter. - (CRConrad) - (1) - March 21, 2004, 07:10:17 PM EST
                                     Buttermilk was invented in the days of the hand churn. - (Andrew Grygus) - March 21, 2004, 07:18:53 PM EST
                                 why do they call it "sweet cream butter" :-) - (boxley) - (4) - March 21, 2004, 07:20:22 PM EST
                                     Perhaps a little souring would have eased your churning? - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - March 21, 2004, 07:25:37 PM EST
                                         more like deadly taste like sh*t -NT - (boxley) - (2) - March 21, 2004, 07:45:56 PM EST
                                             Note that the sourness is not oil soluable . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - March 21, 2004, 07:57:16 PM EST
                                                 we had the old crock churn and the paddle with handle - (boxley) - March 21, 2004, 08:23:37 PM EST
                                 AFAIK Southern mostly - (deSitter) - March 21, 2004, 08:18:23 PM EST
                             buttermik is the liquid thats left after making butter, - (boxley) - March 21, 2004, 06:58:06 PM EST
                         Probably mostly creme fraiche, which you can't get . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - March 21, 2004, 06:53:48 PM EST
                             Nope. With *cereal*?!? "Corn flakes and Creme Fraiche"??? - (CRConrad) - March 21, 2004, 07:03:18 PM EST
             Same place on the scale for me -NT - (drewk) - March 22, 2004, 09:43:00 PM EST
         Not sure where I fall. - (inthane-chan) - (1) - March 21, 2004, 05:56:56 PM EST
             Do you burn a lot of incense? - (boxley) - March 21, 2004, 06:37:36 PM EST
         ALL barring the "Vegan" - (folkert) - (2) - March 21, 2004, 11:00:18 PM EST
             yabbut is mountain dew a vegetable :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1) - March 21, 2004, 11:29:11 PM EST
                 That was never 5 minutes... Oh wait. - (folkert) - March 22, 2004, 06:37:45 PM EST

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