Next to it??

Post #118,551 by ben_tilly 9/23/03 10:37:38 AM Reply	Next to it?? The way that I recall it, they landed right on the building. The grass outside was still in good shape. [link\|http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon_20020316.html\|http://www.geoffmetc...gon_20020316.html] But agreed that Bin Laden is doing everything he can. However something as big as what he did on 9/11 can clearly be timed to a moderate extent. They timed the day to be one with symbolism for them. They could have trivially picked flights an hour later. The background research to have known that starting after trading hours would kill more people than starting before is not hard to do. Certainly it is easier than training pilots! When they don't wait the extra hour, you have to wonder why not. Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #118,568 by Nightowl 9/23/03 11:08:15 AM Reply	Re: Next to it?? They did land right on the building, but not in the center ring, they landed on one of the outer ring areas, but I believe they came down on such an angle that it would be considered a "dive bomb" of sorts. I agree though, a better "dive bomb" concept would have been the center, however, maybe they thought people could escape quicker if the outer edges weren't burning first. I'm not sure how quickly the fire would spread through the rings in such a fortified building. Nightowl >8# "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum" Comment by Nightowl
Post #118,569 by drewk 9/23/03 11:09:50 AM Reply	Check out the link Ben gave The tops of light poles were sheared off on the freeway. The plane could not have been on a very steep approach to have done that. === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #118,571 by Nightowl 9/23/03 11:19:09 AM Reply	Re: Check out the link Ben gave Interesting... (I apologize that I don't have any of my 9/11 books here right now, or I would pull them out and look at other things. I lent them to church to decorate for the special 9/11 service we had, and don't have them back yet) Well, I think what throws us is the downward angle of the damaged area into the building. Did the plane then come in more level and just collapse it? Maybe they leveled out at the last minute to be sure to have better aim? Hard to aim when dive bombing on a steep dive. Fascinating though, and changes my concept of what I thought happened, for sure. Nightowl >8# "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum" Comment by Nightowl
Post #118,574 by Another Scott 9/23/03 11:29:20 AM Reply	Another set of links. [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=31944\|#31944]. Cheers, Scott.
Post #118,579 by Nightowl 9/23/03 11:47:11 AM Reply	Re: Another set of links. Thanks Scott. It seems to indicate that it did indeed come in at an angle, but it doesn't explain if the angle was sideways (i.e. not straight at the side of the building), or downward (i.e. divebombing into the top of the building). I wish I had my books, they have detailed diagrams of the path of the planes.Ah well, thanks though, the links helped! I think the main thing we are indicating here though is that divebombing the towers would have been very very difficult with lots of chance for failure, whereas divebombing the Pentagon would have been easier. Whether or not they actually tried to dive bomb the Pentagon and missed hitting the center ring, or whether or not they hit where they aimed, we'll really never know. Interestingly enough, if body count was the main issue, you would think they would have hit the towers lower, because then less people would have been able to evacuate. Just something I thought about, due to the way the fire prevented people from getting down from the upper floors. Nightowl >8# "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum" Comment by Nightowl
Post #118,653 by boxley 9/23/03 10:33:29 PM Reply	more like emulating a torpedo attack from the air "You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]

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