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Post #117,633
by jake123
9/12/03 11:56:57 AM
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New Sure he could have
all he had to do was read the PNAC website. After all, it's not like he's a stranger to tech; until the US started using cell phone signals to target him with bombs, al Qaida were fully wired up.

The historical record shows that Ba'ath and al-Qaida are traditional enemies. And yet, in 2002, bin Laden's audio tapes were playing up "hidden connections" between him and Iraq. He knew that Bush's inner coterie wanted an excuse, and did what he could to give it to them.

OTOH, I agree... Bush really outdid himself on that one. It's like he's handing the peoples of the ME to the fundamentalists on a silver platter.
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Post #117,635
by mmoffitt
9/12/03 12:22:54 PM
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New I am between you two on this.
I don't give Osama enough credit for being able to forecast Iraq. Especially in light of the tape released just prior to the War when he said to his minions (words to the effect of) "It's okay to stand and fight with the Socialists (Iraq) when they are fighting the Americans".

I'm sure he was happy about it and I agree that Bush really screwed the pooch with Iraq, but I don't think Osama's predictive abilities are strong enough to forsee how really inane Bush's policies can be. In this regard (Iraq) I think Osama "misunderestimated" Dubya. I think we all did. Even I am impressed with the collosal mess he's been able to create in just three years.
bcnu,
Mikem

The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism.

- Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
     This needs to be taken to Flame Forum -NT - (Arkadiy) - (81) - Sept. 10, 2003, 01:59:13 PM EDT
         Rot in hell, you and your kind. - (Arkadiy) - (63) - Sept. 10, 2003, 02:06:29 PM EDT
             Blow me. - (mmoffitt) - (61) - Sept. 10, 2003, 03:01:50 PM EDT
                 Go blow up the rest of them excesses - (Arkadiy) - (60) - Sept. 10, 2003, 03:27:21 PM EDT
                     Endless applause. - (bepatient) - Sept. 10, 2003, 03:57:36 PM EDT
                     My kind of language? - (mmoffitt) - (57) - Sept. 10, 2003, 04:09:06 PM EDT
                         You insist on continuing ... - (bepatient) - (56) - Sept. 10, 2003, 04:18:24 PM EDT
                             You know, ... - (mmoffitt) - (8) - Sept. 10, 2003, 04:44:20 PM EDT
                                 Oh sure I can... - (bepatient) - (7) - Sept. 10, 2003, 05:18:37 PM EDT
                                     At least the volume is coming down a little. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Sept. 10, 2003, 05:42:46 PM EDT
                                         None so blind as they can't see. - (bepatient) - (5) - Sept. 10, 2003, 09:46:40 PM EDT
                                             You got myopia? - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Sept. 11, 2003, 09:55:57 AM EDT
                                                 Chuckle. - (bepatient) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2003, 10:27:25 AM EDT
                                                     Heh. You're just pretending to be thick, aren't you? - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2003, 11:08:02 AM EDT
                                                         I know... - (bepatient) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2003, 11:14:25 AM EDT
                                                             ICLRPD (new thread) - (Silverlock) - Sept. 11, 2003, 11:18:49 AM EDT
                             Taller in Toronto - (jake123) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2003, 01:10:03 AM EDT
                                 Nothing like that Canadian engineering ;-) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 11, 2003, 09:57:33 AM EDT
                             Actually speaker of the CN Tower indirectly... - (lister) - (41) - Sept. 11, 2003, 11:15:13 AM EDT
                                 Respectfully disagree. - (mmoffitt) - (40) - Sept. 11, 2003, 11:37:29 AM EDT
                                     Re: Respectfully disagree. - (lister) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2003, 11:47:10 AM EDT
                                         They did hit a low lying building. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 11, 2003, 12:40:17 PM EDT
                                     Really? - (drewk) - (14) - Sept. 11, 2003, 12:13:15 PM EDT
                                         They weren't going for body count - (ben_tilly) - (13) - Sept. 21, 2003, 03:28:56 PM EDT
                                             Re: They weren't going for body count - (Nightowl) - Sept. 22, 2003, 02:00:43 AM EDT
                                             Dive-bombing is not easy with 737 - (Arkadiy) - (10) - Sept. 22, 2003, 02:55:41 PM EDT
                                                 They did it at the Pentagon - (ben_tilly) - (9) - Sept. 23, 2003, 01:02:10 AM EDT
                                                     Re: They did it at the Pentagon - (Nightowl) - Sept. 23, 2003, 01:14:36 AM EDT
                                                     If they really dive-bombed Pentagon - (Arkadiy) - (7) - Sept. 23, 2003, 09:32:25 AM EDT
                                                         Next to it?? - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Sept. 23, 2003, 10:37:38 AM EDT
                                                             Re: Next to it?? - (Nightowl) - (5) - Sept. 23, 2003, 11:08:15 AM EDT
                                                                 Check out the link Ben gave - (drewk) - (4) - Sept. 23, 2003, 11:09:50 AM EDT
                                                                     Re: Check out the link Ben gave - (Nightowl) - (2) - Sept. 23, 2003, 11:19:09 AM EDT
                                                                         Another set of links. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2003, 11:29:20 AM EDT
                                                                             Re: Another set of links. - (Nightowl) - Sept. 23, 2003, 11:47:11 AM EDT
                                                                     more like emulating a torpedo attack from the air -NT - (boxley) - Sept. 23, 2003, 10:33:29 PM EDT
                                             Re: They weren't going for body count - (deSitter) - Sept. 26, 2003, 10:08:14 PM EDT
                                     Symbolism - (jake123) - (22) - Sept. 11, 2003, 02:37:00 PM EDT
                                         That may well be the best opinion I have heard. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 11, 2003, 03:23:07 PM EDT
                                         You make the same mistake - (Arkadiy) - (18) - Sept. 11, 2003, 05:02:50 PM EDT
                                             Hmmm - an interesting dissection. - (Ashton) - Sept. 11, 2003, 05:34:30 PM EDT
                                             The mistake is yours - (jake123) - (16) - Sept. 12, 2003, 01:38:50 AM EDT
                                                 Applause! -NT - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 12, 2003, 09:31:39 AM EDT
                                                 There you go again - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2003, 11:09:09 AM EDT
                                                     Strategically - (jake123) - Sept. 12, 2003, 11:53:19 AM EDT
                                                 Oh, and by the way - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Sept. 12, 2003, 11:12:17 AM EDT
                                                     Sure he could have - (jake123) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2003, 11:56:57 AM EDT
                                                         I am between you two on this. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 12, 2003, 12:22:54 PM EDT
                                                 Projecting? - (screamer) - (9) - Sept. 12, 2003, 06:25:17 PM EDT
                                                     Read the history of guerilla conflicts - (jake123) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2003, 07:53:07 PM EDT
                                                         Going to give up on this one... - (screamer) - Sept. 13, 2003, 12:33:36 AM EDT
                                                     Are you forgetting Mogadishu, Somalia? - (a6l6e6x) - Sept. 12, 2003, 09:48:56 PM EDT
                                                     So then.. it's the PNAC Fundamentalists + Xian-Rightists - (Ashton) - (5) - Sept. 13, 2003, 12:23:36 AM EDT
                                                         Get over yourself, friend... - (screamer) - (4) - Sept. 13, 2003, 12:58:56 AM EDT
                                                             PS - (screamer) - (1) - Sept. 13, 2003, 01:21:25 AM EDT
                                                                 Who can resist?___"An Invitation to the Dance" - - (Ashton) - Sept. 15, 2003, 04:41:01 AM EDT
                                                             If I've offended you... - (pwhysall) - (1) - Sept. 13, 2003, 01:59:47 AM EDT
                                                                 Only once though... - (screamer) - Sept. 14, 2003, 11:52:48 PM EDT
                                         Eloquently summarized - (Ashton) - Sept. 11, 2003, 05:23:38 PM EDT
                                         It's a floor polish and a dessert topping! - (Another Scott) - Sept. 12, 2003, 11:33:04 PM EDT
                             Sorry Bill, Mike has a point - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Sept. 21, 2003, 03:54:50 PM EDT
                                 Oh You Kid___:-\ufffd_____Love. It. -NT - (Ashton) - Sept. 21, 2003, 07:29:35 PM EDT
                                 ObPlug - (deSitter) - Sept. 26, 2003, 10:11:38 PM EDT
                     Tangential flame (new thread) - (drewk) - Sept. 10, 2003, 04:53:24 PM EDT
             kudos -NT - (deSitter) - Sept. 10, 2003, 11:43:19 PM EDT
         No grey areas (or matter) to see here...move along -NT - (FuManChu) - (2) - Sept. 10, 2003, 03:57:46 PM EDT
             Unless, of course, - (bepatient) - (1) - Sept. 10, 2003, 04:00:39 PM EDT
                 Fuck you too. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 10, 2003, 04:09:37 PM EDT
         It is possible to lament the deaths of *ALL* senseless - (Ashton) - (13) - Sept. 10, 2003, 08:56:17 PM EDT
             No. - (bepatient) - (11) - Sept. 10, 2003, 09:54:31 PM EDT
                 Fair point - sorta supposing.. - (Ashton) - (5) - Sept. 10, 2003, 10:07:41 PM EDT
                     Oh it is certain... - (bepatient) - (4) - Sept. 10, 2003, 11:00:06 PM EDT
                         You don't really know - you want to Believe - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2003, 12:06:30 AM EDT
                             Simplistic? - (bepatient) - Sept. 11, 2003, 07:26:26 AM EDT
                         Re: Oh it is certain... - (Nightowl) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2003, 12:53:24 PM EDT
                             Interesting comparison, Owl - (Ashton) - Sept. 11, 2003, 04:25:20 PM EDT
                 No. - (Nightowl) - Sept. 11, 2003, 12:48:30 PM EDT
                 Talking about Mecca - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2003, 05:07:42 PM EDT
                     Arkadiy___you be BAAD :-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - Sept. 11, 2003, 05:36:13 PM EDT
                     Re: pretty much justified from Mike's point of view... - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 12, 2003, 09:39:35 AM EDT
                 Hmm idea - (deSitter) - Sept. 12, 2003, 12:56:23 AM EDT
             re: bad moffitt. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 11, 2003, 10:07:32 AM EDT

That's the kind of thing I enjoyed watching for hours on acid.
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