That may well be the best opinion I have heard.

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by mmoffitt

9/11/03 3:23:07 PM

That may well be the best opinion I have heard.

Very well reasoned and very nicely done.

(Aside: one part in particular has helped me understand something. You write: if

Marlowe's rantings came to be the conventional wisdom, with all that it implies about exclusivity of participation based on ideologically based belief of what constitutes right action (as opposed to ethics based belief in what constitutes right action), would you be one with the people or separate from it?

I put it to you that Marlowe is far closer to "conventional wisdom" in the US than one might hope. For me, this explains much about my recent and intensifying feelings of isolation.

bcnu,
Mikem

The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism.

- Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"

This needs to be taken to Flame Forum -NT - (Arkadiy) - (81) - Sept. 10, 2003, 01:59:13 PM EDT

Rot in hell, you and your kind. - (Arkadiy) - (63) - Sept. 10, 2003, 02:06:29 PM EDT

Blow me. - (mmoffitt) - (61) - Sept. 10, 2003, 03:01:50 PM EDT

Go blow up the rest of them excesses - (Arkadiy) - (60) - Sept. 10, 2003, 03:27:21 PM EDT

Endless applause. - (bepatient) - Sept. 10, 2003, 03:57:36 PM EDT

My kind of language? - (mmoffitt) - (57) - Sept. 10, 2003, 04:09:06 PM EDT

You insist on continuing ... - (bepatient) - (56) - Sept. 10, 2003, 04:18:24 PM EDT

You know, ... - (mmoffitt) - (8) - Sept. 10, 2003, 04:44:20 PM EDT

Oh sure I can... - (bepatient) - (7) - Sept. 10, 2003, 05:18:37 PM EDT

At least the volume is coming down a little. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Sept. 10, 2003, 05:42:46 PM EDT

None so blind as they can't see. - (bepatient) - (5) - Sept. 10, 2003, 09:46:40 PM EDT

You got myopia? - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Sept. 11, 2003, 09:55:57 AM EDT

Chuckle. - (bepatient) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2003, 10:27:25 AM EDT

Heh. You're just pretending to be thick, aren't you? - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2003, 11:08:02 AM EDT

I know... - (bepatient) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2003, 11:14:25 AM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (Silverlock) - Sept. 11, 2003, 11:18:49 AM EDT

Taller in Toronto - (jake123) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2003, 01:10:03 AM EDT

Nothing like that Canadian engineering ;-) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 11, 2003, 09:57:33 AM EDT

Actually speaker of the CN Tower indirectly... - (lister) - (41) - Sept. 11, 2003, 11:15:13 AM EDT

Respectfully disagree. - (mmoffitt) - (40) - Sept. 11, 2003, 11:37:29 AM EDT

Re: Respectfully disagree. - (lister) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2003, 11:47:10 AM EDT

They did hit a low lying building. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 11, 2003, 12:40:17 PM EDT

Really? - (drewk) - (14) - Sept. 11, 2003, 12:13:15 PM EDT

They weren't going for body count - (ben_tilly) - (13) - Sept. 21, 2003, 03:28:56 PM EDT

Re: They weren't going for body count - (Nightowl) - Sept. 22, 2003, 02:00:43 AM EDT

Dive-bombing is not easy with 737 - (Arkadiy) - (10) - Sept. 22, 2003, 02:55:41 PM EDT

They did it at the Pentagon - (ben_tilly) - (9) - Sept. 23, 2003, 01:02:10 AM EDT

Re: They did it at the Pentagon - (Nightowl) - Sept. 23, 2003, 01:14:36 AM EDT

If they really dive-bombed Pentagon - (Arkadiy) - (7) - Sept. 23, 2003, 09:32:25 AM EDT

Next to it?? - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Sept. 23, 2003, 10:37:38 AM EDT

Re: Next to it?? - (Nightowl) - (5) - Sept. 23, 2003, 11:08:15 AM EDT

Check out the link Ben gave - (drewk) - (4) - Sept. 23, 2003, 11:09:50 AM EDT

Re: Check out the link Ben gave - (Nightowl) - (2) - Sept. 23, 2003, 11:19:09 AM EDT

Another set of links. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2003, 11:29:20 AM EDT

Re: Another set of links. - (Nightowl) - Sept. 23, 2003, 11:47:11 AM EDT

more like emulating a torpedo attack from the air -NT - (boxley) - Sept. 23, 2003, 10:33:29 PM EDT

Re: They weren't going for body count - (deSitter) - Sept. 26, 2003, 10:08:14 PM EDT

Symbolism - (jake123) - (22) - Sept. 11, 2003, 02:37:00 PM EDT

That may well be the best opinion I have heard. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 11, 2003, 03:23:07 PM EDT

You make the same mistake - (Arkadiy) - (18) - Sept. 11, 2003, 05:02:50 PM EDT

Hmmm - an interesting dissection. - (Ashton) - Sept. 11, 2003, 05:34:30 PM EDT

The mistake is yours - (jake123) - (16) - Sept. 12, 2003, 01:38:50 AM EDT

Applause! -NT - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 12, 2003, 09:31:39 AM EDT

There you go again - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2003, 11:09:09 AM EDT

Strategically - (jake123) - Sept. 12, 2003, 11:53:19 AM EDT

Oh, and by the way - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Sept. 12, 2003, 11:12:17 AM EDT

Sure he could have - (jake123) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2003, 11:56:57 AM EDT

I am between you two on this. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 12, 2003, 12:22:54 PM EDT

Projecting? - (screamer) - (9) - Sept. 12, 2003, 06:25:17 PM EDT

Read the history of guerilla conflicts - (jake123) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2003, 07:53:07 PM EDT

Going to give up on this one... - (screamer) - Sept. 13, 2003, 12:33:36 AM EDT

Are you forgetting Mogadishu, Somalia? - (a6l6e6x) - Sept. 12, 2003, 09:48:56 PM EDT

So then.. it's the PNAC Fundamentalists + Xian-Rightists - (Ashton) - (5) - Sept. 13, 2003, 12:23:36 AM EDT

Get over yourself, friend... - (screamer) - (4) - Sept. 13, 2003, 12:58:56 AM EDT

PS - (screamer) - (1) - Sept. 13, 2003, 01:21:25 AM EDT

Who can resist?___"An Invitation to the Dance" - - (Ashton) - Sept. 15, 2003, 04:41:01 AM EDT

If I've offended you... - (pwhysall) - (1) - Sept. 13, 2003, 01:59:47 AM EDT

Only once though... - (screamer) - Sept. 14, 2003, 11:52:48 PM EDT

Eloquently summarized - (Ashton) - Sept. 11, 2003, 05:23:38 PM EDT

It's a floor polish and a dessert topping! - (Another Scott) - Sept. 12, 2003, 11:33:04 PM EDT

Sorry Bill, Mike has a point - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Sept. 21, 2003, 03:54:50 PM EDT

Oh You Kid___:-\ufffd_____Love. It. -NT - (Ashton) - Sept. 21, 2003, 07:29:35 PM EDT

ObPlug - (deSitter) - Sept. 26, 2003, 10:11:38 PM EDT

Tangential flame (new thread) - (drewk) - Sept. 10, 2003, 04:53:24 PM EDT

kudos -NT - (deSitter) - Sept. 10, 2003, 11:43:19 PM EDT

No grey areas (or matter) to see here...move along -NT - (FuManChu) - (2) - Sept. 10, 2003, 03:57:46 PM EDT

Unless, of course, - (bepatient) - (1) - Sept. 10, 2003, 04:00:39 PM EDT

Fuck you too. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 10, 2003, 04:09:37 PM EDT

It is possible to lament the deaths of *ALL* senseless - (Ashton) - (13) - Sept. 10, 2003, 08:56:17 PM EDT

No. - (bepatient) - (11) - Sept. 10, 2003, 09:54:31 PM EDT

Fair point - sorta supposing.. - (Ashton) - (5) - Sept. 10, 2003, 10:07:41 PM EDT

Oh it is certain... - (bepatient) - (4) - Sept. 10, 2003, 11:00:06 PM EDT

You don't really know - you want to Believe - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2003, 12:06:30 AM EDT

Simplistic? - (bepatient) - Sept. 11, 2003, 07:26:26 AM EDT

Re: Oh it is certain... - (Nightowl) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2003, 12:53:24 PM EDT

Interesting comparison, Owl - (Ashton) - Sept. 11, 2003, 04:25:20 PM EDT

No. - (Nightowl) - Sept. 11, 2003, 12:48:30 PM EDT

Talking about Mecca - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2003, 05:07:42 PM EDT

Arkadiy___you be BAAD :-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - Sept. 11, 2003, 05:36:13 PM EDT

Re: pretty much justified from Mike's point of view... - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 12, 2003, 09:39:35 AM EDT

Hmm idea - (deSitter) - Sept. 12, 2003, 12:56:23 AM EDT

re: bad moffitt. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 11, 2003, 10:07:32 AM EDT

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