Either way you are foresworn

Post #65,379 by ben_tilly 11/27/02 6:53:58 AM Reply	Either way you are foresworn A month or so ago you were promising to never come back. No and's if's or but's. You were gone. Now you are back and are promising never to leave. Either way you are a liar, and on the whole I preferred the first state (you gone). You were significantly less annoying that way. Regards, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #65,383 by orion 11/27/02 7:15:03 AM Reply	I am back for more call me a liar if you will, you are twice the liar that I will ever be. Traitor! *My God is not cruel, sorry about yours.*
Post #65,384 by Yendor 11/27/02 7:21:51 AM Reply	I know you are but what am I? I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you. Liar, liar, pants on fire. And other associated childhood things. Go away. -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #65,386 by jbrabeck 11/27/02 7:34:39 AM Reply	Re: I am back for more Norm, give it a rest, please. The initial post was a direct attack on you. And, as you can see, I spoke in your defense, and said I would support it being deleted. I've read most of your posts, and I've read most of the replies to your posts. Some of your posts are good, some not so good. Same with the replies. I've especially followed the depression postings. My wife suffers from depression, and refused to acknowledge it or seek treatment. Other than Stryfe, I've not seek any other such direct attacks. I've seen you get slammed for "bad" posts, and I've seen you slam others in return. For the most part, I think that this is a community of which you are a part. And I think that most of the community accepts you for who you are. But when you start to retaliate, to a direct attack, by attacking every member of the community, then you do everyone a disservice, and discredit yourself. In Scott's defense, I think he is doing a great job running this site. I'd have deleted Stryfe's post, but Scott's reasoning, for not deleting posts, is valid and should be respected. Doesn't mean you have to like his reasons. Nobody, with the possible exception of Stryfe, hates you, wants to "get" you. He, Stryfe, tried to provoke you, and it worked. Best thing you can do is to ignore him. I did and I'm sure the other members of our community have done the same. Go back to posting thoughtful, intelligent, humorous and readable posts. And I will continue to read and enjoy them. Keep up with the attacks and I'll end up ignoring you and your posts. Good luck. [link\|mailto:jbrabeck@attbi.com\|Joe]
Post #65,590 by orion 11/28/02 12:48:58 AM Reply	Oh maybe you missed it? The IWETHEY Mailing list where Ben Tilly flamed me multiple times a day? The deal was that if I left ZIWE and stayed on the Mailing list, that he would leave me alone. Only he did not, so back I go to ZIWE because Ben Tilly betrayed me. The Norman you knew, died that day, betrayed and murdered by Ben Tilly and the rest of the "Goon Squad", what you see now is the result of the tourture that I had to endure at the hands of the ZIWE and K5 communities. *My God is not cruel, sorry about yours.*
Post #65,595 by pwhysall 11/28/02 2:43:27 AM Reply	You need a proctocraniotomy. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #65,611 by orion 11/28/02 7:39:13 AM Reply	Alas there is not much hope for me by the way it is "Postcraniotomy" and not "Proctocraniotomy", at least get your medical terms right you Armchair Psychologist! My blood pressure may be high enough to get a stroke, but it hasn't happened yet. You are not helping matters any by making statements like that. *My God is not cruel, sorry about yours.*
Post #65,612 by Yendor 11/28/02 7:44:31 AM Reply	No, it's "proctocraniotomy" You need your head removed from your ass, in plain English. Otherwise known as Rectal-Cranial Inversion Syndrome. -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #65,615 by ben_tilly 11/28/02 8:42:06 AM Reply	I hope someone else has a copy of that email Because I deleted mine while cleaning out my inbox. And your portrayal of it in no way matches my recollection. Of course this would not be the first time that you have turned out to be a little..reality challenged. Isn't a reputation as a liar a horrible thing to get? Regards, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #65,644 by Ashton 11/28/02 6:56:16 PM Reply	Moi.___As if that matters, in context.___What to do? (new thread) Created as new thread #65643 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=65643\|Moi.___As if that matters, in context.___What to do?]
Post #65,684 by orion 11/29/02 6:22:47 AM Reply	A liar if saying I would not come back here, and I came back here anyway was the worst lie that I ever told, then I am not that bad of a liar. Not like some professional liars out there I could name. Call me a liar if you wish, everyone lies in some way. At least I am honest about it, I do admit to lying. If I did indeed say I would "NEVER" come back, obviously I lied. Big deal, what do you make such a big issue out of it? Desitter said the same thing and he came back, and you aren't mentioning it every other day to him. They way I see it, I just took a vacation away from this place, but in your cussing at me on the mailing list, it invited me back. :) *My God is not cruel, sorry about yours.*
Post #65,686 by ben_tilly 11/29/02 7:43:11 AM Reply	Were that your only lie, it would not be an issue But it is not. :-( Very relevant to this moment is that you not only lied then about whether you would come back, but you lied a couple of posts ago at [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=65590\|http://z.iwethey.org...w?contentid=65590] when you described what happened. And that lie was deliberately designed to try and cause as much guilt as you possibly could. Lies on top of lies with nastiness as the overall aim! That is a follow-up lie, and a nasty one to boot. You lie about what happened, where, and when just so that you can deliver a lie about how you felt (it had to be a lie because your decision to leave IWETHEY came before the flames that you were pissed off about). If I catch you in lies like that, what else should I believe you on? If this is a repeated pattern, does it even make sense for me to try to figure that out? This does appear to be a standard pattern with you. Therefore you lie. And my answers to the above questions are that I shouldn't bother taking your word on anything that I can't independently verify, and that there is little point in my worrying about what is and is not a lie. In short, as I said at [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=61743\|http://z.iwethey.org...w?contentid=61743], I have written you off. Your behaviour since you came back has not given me any reason to re-evaluate that decision. Yeah, that sucks. But I don't really see what I can do better than that. Regards, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #65,701 by orion 11/29/02 10:11:52 AM 11/29/02 10:28:12 AM Reply	Drop it already Ben unless you want me to start it all over again. I saved some of your emails from the mailing list, don't make me use them. One where you said I was not sick and not suicidal, but I ended up trying to take my life anyway and ended up in a hospial. This proves what a liar you are and how much you do not know about me. *My God is not cruel, sorry about yours.* Edited by orion Nov. 29, 2002, 10:28:12 AM EST Expand All History
Post #65,708 by bepatient 11/29/02 10:45:14 AM Reply	Take your own advice, please. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #65,717 by orion 11/29/02 1:44:50 PM Reply	I will if they leave me alone that was part of the deal, remember? If they cannot keep their end of the deal, why should I? *My God is not cruel, sorry about yours.*
Post #65,722 by Yendor 11/29/02 2:04:29 PM Reply	Re: I will if they leave me alone To show us all that you're a bigger man than we think you are. That's why. -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #65,864 by orion 12/1/02 11:35:11 AM Reply	They won't leave me alone what must I do? I am trying real hard not to slam them back for slamming me. What can I do when they falsely accuse me of being other accounts here? *My God is not cruel, sorry about yours.*
Post #65,881 by Andrew Grygus 12/1/02 12:35:05 PM Reply	You desperately don't want to be left alone. If you did, you would just have not responded to the latest posts, and that would have been the end of it all. Done. Fini. Instead, you meticulously searched out each and every one and responded to it to elicit yet more posts. You aren't living a lie, you're living a whole bunch of them. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #66,057 by orion 12/2/02 10:55:55 AM Reply	I am a lie I have become the lies you all have told about me. I want to be the truth, but you all are not telling the truth about me. More lies, more false accusations, and more evidence tampering. *My God is not cruel, sorry about yours.*
Post #66,066 by folkert 12/2/02 11:07:22 AM Reply	Uh... Norm SHUN `[link\|mailto:curley95@attbi.com\|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!] Your friendly Geheime Staatspolizei reminds: Use your computer, we'll sample your DNA and imprint your eyes. SELECT * FROM politicians WHERE iq > 40 OR WHERE ego < 1048575; 0 rows found`
Post #65,723 by hnick 11/29/02 2:17:27 PM Reply	Dear and noble hearts, consider... By responding to him whilst he is in whacko mode, you are only encouraging more of such behaviour. Please! filter line noise and only respond to reasonable posts. Hugh_{Ok, so nobody's talking to me again... Oh well...}
Post #65,724 by bepatient 11/29/02 2:23:29 PM Reply	Hard to determine...but good advice all the same. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #65,863 by orion 12/1/02 11:33:54 AM Reply	Good advice too bad they are too stubborn and ignorant to take it. But then it has been said before and they did promise to leave me alone, and yet broke yet another one of their promises. I have no reason to trust any of these Bozos. *My God is not cruel, sorry about yours.*

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