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Post #387,670
by a6l6e6x
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3/17/14 11:18:37 PM
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New You're buying into Yanukovych spin.
Take a look at this posting of a Jewish protestor:

http://www.ukieland....idans-protestors/
However, I present myself solely as a Jew, and a religious one at that. I have tens of resistance guards – Georgians, Azerbaijani, Armenians, and Russians who do not even attempt to speak Ukrainian – we have never been intolerant to each other.

You think he might be a Nazi?

Note that SS stands for “Spilna Sprava” or "Common Cause" in English.
Alex

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

-- Isaac Asimov
Post #387,686
by mmoffitt
3/18/14 11:53:46 AM
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New One thing I do know.
The first casualty of conflict is truth. Anecdotal evidence is not compelling. I really feel for the Ukrainians. Recall I went to the 4th grade in Kiev. I know that was 40+ years ago but my memories of that time are the fondest of my youth. I wish I had remained in contact with my schoolmates there. In my office right now I have a photo of myself, my little brother and Hubert Humphrey at the opening of the exhibit my dad worked on in Leningrad. Maybe there is still quite a bit of Soviet/Russian apologist in me that I inculcated at ages 9 and 10. That's a fair criticism and one I take under serious advisement.

I've never been a fan of violence anywhere. Well, okay, maybe on Wall Street, but that's a different matter entirely and completely understandable (fascist bastards). I'm just not sure things are as black-and-white as they are painted by the West. I'm equally dubious things are as bleak as the Russians are claiming. Throwing billions of dollars at one side or the other, or worse, offering military support immediately seems dicey to me. To whom is the money going? For what purpose? Unbiased reporting suggests that there is some radical Right involvement (which is to be expected in a power vacuum). I just want us to be careful that we are helping the right folks. We don't have the greatest track record of doing that.
     Who do these Russians in Crimea think they are? - (mmoffitt) - (50) - March 17, 2014, 12:14:14 PM EDT
         Serious question:How was the Black Sea Fleet ever threatened -NT - (Another Scott) - (10) - March 17, 2014, 12:49:53 PM EDT
             It wasn't. - (mmoffitt) - (9) - March 17, 2014, 02:23:31 PM EDT
                 <sigh> - (Another Scott) - (5) - March 17, 2014, 02:52:33 PM EDT
                     You mean she isn't one? -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 17, 2014, 04:00:49 PM EDT
                     Back at you. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - March 18, 2014, 12:21:25 PM EDT
                         Read my post, and the linkies, again please. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (2) - March 18, 2014, 12:31:59 PM EDT
                             Wikipedia? That's your sole source? </me falls over> - (mmoffitt) - (1) - March 18, 2014, 12:33:55 PM EDT
                                 Wikipedia has cites. HTH. -NT - (Another Scott) - March 18, 2014, 02:02:52 PM EDT
                 Counterpoint. - (Another Scott) - March 17, 2014, 04:10:10 PM EDT
                 You're buying into Yanukovych spin. - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - March 17, 2014, 11:18:37 PM EDT
                     One thing I do know. - (mmoffitt) - March 18, 2014, 11:53:46 AM EDT
         BS! They reneged on Ukraine's nuclear arms agreement. - (a6l6e6x) - (4) - March 17, 2014, 12:57:00 PM EDT
             I understand that. - (mmoffitt) - March 17, 2014, 02:12:13 PM EDT
             Plan B: - (pwhysall) - (2) - March 17, 2014, 06:18:57 PM EDT
                 Putin seems to have realized that. - (Another Scott) - (1) - March 17, 2014, 06:44:24 PM EDT
                     Money talks, Russkies walk - (pwhysall) - March 18, 2014, 02:58:39 AM EDT
         Boundaries rejiggered - (rcareaga) - (15) - March 18, 2014, 10:28:50 PM EDT
             Putin's take - (rcareaga) - (1) - March 18, 2014, 11:13:14 PM EDT
                 I knew a 'relative' of the co-author - (Ashton) - March 20, 2014, 01:15:37 AM EDT
             my take - (boxley) - (12) - March 18, 2014, 11:13:47 PM EDT
                 The Red Army - (rcareaga) - March 19, 2014, 12:55:20 AM EDT
                 "owns the euro fuel supply" - (pwhysall) - March 19, 2014, 02:46:44 AM EDT
                 Agreed that one has to worry about uncontrolled escalation. - (Another Scott) - (9) - March 19, 2014, 08:25:36 AM EDT
                     Re: escalation and Sochi. - (mmoffitt) - (5) - March 19, 2014, 09:57:56 AM EDT
                         One can always make arguments to justify one's actions. - (Another Scott) - (4) - March 19, 2014, 11:03:23 AM EDT
                             I'm not saying the Russians are heroes. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - March 19, 2014, 11:20:52 AM EDT
                                 Agreement. But that's not the topic, is it? :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (2) - March 19, 2014, 11:24:13 AM EDT
                                     Fine. We're picking nits now are we? :0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - March 19, 2014, 11:29:03 AM EDT
                                         That's what we do, especially in this forum! :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - March 19, 2014, 11:49:38 AM EDT
                     Ukraine would resist all right - (boxley) - March 19, 2014, 01:11:10 PM EDT
                     all sorts of sound reasons for behaving rationally - (rcareaga) - (1) - March 19, 2014, 03:32:19 PM EDT
                         On that note, let us Here embark upon a similar - (Ashton) - March 19, 2014, 05:31:08 PM EDT
         Putin the revanchist - (rcareaga) - (17) - March 19, 2014, 09:10:36 PM EDT
             Even accepting all of that... - (Another Scott) - (16) - March 19, 2014, 11:04:05 PM EDT
                 delving into a little history - (boxley) - (2) - March 20, 2014, 12:24:42 AM EDT
                     Jeez, Box! - (Ashton) - (1) - March 20, 2014, 12:41:37 AM EDT
                         I keep telling y'all... - (folkert) - March 20, 2014, 11:45:55 AM EDT
                 Interesting times.. - (Ashton) - March 20, 2014, 12:26:16 AM EDT
                 Imagine Canada - (rcareaga) - (11) - March 20, 2014, 01:36:49 AM EDT
                     One could imagine that. - (Another Scott) - (10) - March 20, 2014, 07:23:21 AM EDT
                         my scenario was deliberately lurid - (rcareaga) - (9) - March 20, 2014, 10:00:48 AM EDT
                             On Canada... - (Another Scott) - March 20, 2014, 10:37:38 AM EDT
                             If we suppose that Putin's take on our corrupt authoritarian - (Ashton) - (7) - March 21, 2014, 05:54:18 AM EDT
                                 The likelihood of the Maritimes joining the US in the event - (jake123) - (6) - March 22, 2014, 09:29:46 AM EDT
                                     Maritimes? not likely. I could see Alberta maybe - (boxley) - (2) - March 22, 2014, 12:40:21 PM EDT
                                         Right now Alberta is in a class of its own` - (jake123) - (1) - March 22, 2014, 12:45:55 PM EDT
                                             Very interesting. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - March 22, 2014, 01:24:00 PM EDT
                                     Robertson Davies on Canada - (rcareaga) - (2) - March 22, 2014, 12:50:40 PM EDT
                                         Excellent. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - March 22, 2014, 01:23:40 PM EDT
                                         {{Chortle, long guffaw..}} -NT - (Ashton) - March 22, 2014, 06:09:03 PM EDT

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