You know what I think?
I think Obama threw it to Congress to come up with a plan on purpose, with a long term expectation that he was going to end up vetoing the first one to come out just before the mid-terms whilst calling it "wholly inadequate" and naming names as to why.
It would make sense if part of what he's trying to do is to get rid of some Democrats... and some of them definitely need to be gotten rid of, and the only way for Obama to do that is to get the voters to get rid of them. |
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I think that won't happen.
He wants a bill that he can sign. The democratic leadership won't allow any poison pills to be in the conference report (the final House+Senate bill).
On the bigger picture, I think he desperately wants to increase the majority he has in the Senate, and that means the party has to show that it can get things passed while it has a majority. If he's fighting with the Senate, it weakens the argument that the Democrats can get good things done for the country. Vetoing a bill would be a disaster for his hopes of increasing the majority and solidifying the change in direction after Bush. I don't think it's in his nature to call people out, either. Going back to his law school days, he was much more interested in using honey than flyswatters. http://www.boston.co...a_unifying_voice/ I think he always tries to see the big picture... Cheers, Scott. |
Arguments against, at their most basic
- (beepster)
- (54)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 10:39:30 AM EDT
Baum doesn't like Obama. Film at 11:00. ;-)
- (Another Scott)
- (53)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 10:52:42 AM EDT
Completely different discussions
- (beepster)
- (52)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 02:43:00 PM EDT
Where did "unpatriotic" come from?
- (drook)
- (32)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 11:15:56 AM EDT
Pelosi.
-NT
- (beepster)
- (31)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 12:17:01 PM EDT
And what was the quote again?
- (Another Scott)
- (30)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 12:22:17 PM EDT
Re: And what was the quote again?
- (beepster)
- (29)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 12:38:15 PM EDT
Now you're just stirring the pot ... you're not that stupid
- (drook)
- (27)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 12:49:17 PM EDT
If we want to focus
- (beepster)
- (26)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 01:05:39 PM EDT
That's not what Pelosi was talking about
- (drook)
- (25)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 01:14:58 PM EDT
Oh I get it know
- (boxley)
- (2)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 01:47:18 PM EDT
Discuss != ammend
-NT
- (drook)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 01:58:03 PM EDT
Eh?
- (Another Scott)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 02:03:13 PM EDT
I don't care
- (beepster)
- (21)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 02:41:45 PM EDT
What *is* your central point?
- (drook)
- (20)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 03:11:15 PM EDT
Re: What *is* your central point?
- (beepster)
- (19)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 04:29:56 PM EDT
Why not?
- (drook)
- (1)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 04:52:04 PM EDT
Re: Why not?
- (beepster)
- Aug. 20, 2009, 10:44:21 AM EDT
Ok....
- (Another Scott)
- (15)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 05:48:48 PM EDT
30 years my ass
- (boxley)
- (4)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 08:30:37 PM EDT
Ronnie took office in January 1981. HTH.
-NT
- (Another Scott)
- (3)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 08:34:13 PM EDT
with a democratic led house and senate
- (boxley)
- (2)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 09:28:01 PM EDT
The sea changed when Ronnie came in.
- (Another Scott)
- (1)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 09:46:16 PM EDT
So you are talking in a macro sense
- (boxley)
- Aug. 20, 2009, 08:32:12 AM EDT
On #2
- (beepster)
- (9)
- Aug. 20, 2009, 11:57:47 AM EDT
dont confuse the issue with facts
-NT
- (boxley)
- (1)
- Aug. 20, 2009, 12:04:29 PM EDT
Just think
- (beepster)
- Aug. 20, 2009, 12:47:26 PM EDT
So we don't have enough doctors?
- (drook)
- (5)
- Aug. 20, 2009, 12:30:22 PM EDT
Sure offer free medical school for a term of public health
- (boxley)
- Aug. 20, 2009, 12:50:16 PM EDT
Excuse me, but
- (beepster)
- (3)
- Aug. 20, 2009, 12:51:56 PM EDT
That's all well and good
- (jake123)
- Aug. 20, 2009, 01:05:27 PM EDT
Addressing != asking
- (drook)
- (1)
- Aug. 20, 2009, 01:16:55 PM EDT
So instead
- (beepster)
- Aug. 20, 2009, 09:58:23 PM EDT
I'll play, for a while...
- (Another Scott)
- Aug. 20, 2009, 12:41:54 PM EDT
On "limiting malpractice".
- (Another Scott)
- Aug. 20, 2009, 09:46:46 AM EDT
Re: And what was the quote again?
- (folkert)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 01:10:24 PM EDT
He's answered the criticisms many times.
- (Another Scott)
- (18)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 11:20:58 AM EDT
I'm still confused
- (drook)
- (16)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 11:29:36 AM EDT
Me too.
- (Another Scott)
- (14)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 11:46:06 AM EDT
You know what I think?
- (jake123)
- (1)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 11:57:37 AM EDT
I think that won't happen.
- (Another Scott)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 12:14:40 PM EDT
Re: Me too.
- (beepster)
- (11)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 12:33:08 PM EDT
People on the Hill say lots of things they don't believe.
- (Another Scott)
- (9)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 02:00:28 PM EDT
That's pretty basic
- (beepster)
- (7)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 02:51:37 PM EDT
I'm having a vision ...
- (drook)
- (4)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 03:16:17 PM EDT
you expected something different?
- (boxley)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 04:13:09 PM EDT
Your point being?
- (beepster)
- (2)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 04:15:17 PM EDT
naw, then he would have to admit
- (boxley)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 04:29:54 PM EDT
Republicans have mastered the Big Lie
- (drook)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 06:16:59 PM EDT
Why?
- (Another Scott)
- (1)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 04:00:08 PM EDT
Re: Why?
- (beepster)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 04:31:21 PM EDT
More on pages...
- (Another Scott)
- Aug. 22, 2009, 12:30:58 AM EDT
Re: Me too.
- (lincoln)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 04:47:51 PM EDT
Sure its possible
- (beepster)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 12:24:56 PM EDT
I didn't know there was one I should be following
- (beepster)
- Aug. 19, 2009, 12:23:11 PM EDT