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Post #276,159 by boxley 12/19/06 5:59:16 PM Reply	horsekabobs I order dells and put redhat on them for the business, the boxes are pre-loaded with $MS. Thats is how we have to buy them. Do we like paying for windows? no. No choice since we want intel hardware with service contracts. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #276,222 by lincoln 12/20/06 2:46:56 PM Reply	Are you talking desktops or servers? Haven't been to their web site in years, but I've heard about them selling servers pre-loaded with RedHat on them. Don't know if there's a price differential between those units and ones with Windows on them. And I doubt that the invoice is detailed enough to show you what you're being billed for RedHat. lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:golf_lover44@yahoo.com\|contact me]
Post #276,223 by Another Scott 12/20/06 3:05:24 PM Reply	Dell's schizophrenic regarding Linux. E.g. Dell Singapore lists [link\|http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/ap/topics/microsite/en/redhat?c=sg&l=en&s=bsd\|this] PowerEdge 1950 with RHEL installed. If you search for Linux at Dell.com you'll see a [link\|http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/precn_390?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04\|Precision 390 Workstation] box with RHEL available, but if you go to Customize it, there doesn't seem to be any way to get anything other than Windows. It looks to me that one must have the patience of Job to get a consumer box with Linux from Dell. FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #276,235 by Andrew Grygus 12/20/06 5:38:47 PM Reply	Last I heard - though that was a while back . . . . . they were not allowed to offer any other OS on any model that was available with Windows. If they offered Linux it had to be a different SKU (Stocking Unit) and Winodws could not be available for that model designation. That would make it imposible for them to offer Linux under customization, you'd have to know the model number (often not listed) for the Linux SKU. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #276,283 by andread 12/21/06 9:44:01 AM Reply	well, hear this [link\|http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=sc1435-min&s=bsd\|Dell server with choice of no o/s, 2 windows, 2 redhat or 2 suse] Hmmmm A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #276,285 by Andrew Grygus 12/21/06 9:48:27 AM Reply	Please note: S-E-R-V-E-R What have we been telling you all this time? Servers have DIFFERENT RULES. Just how damned thick is your skull - bone to the center? Do you actually comprehend anything you read? Show me a desktop SKU offering those choices. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #276,286 by andread 12/21/06 9:54:30 AM Reply	your words cited below . they were not allowed to offer any other OS on any model that was available with Windows Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #276,288 by pwhysall 12/21/06 10:24:25 AM 12/21/06 10:27:16 AM Reply	That's not what was said. Any configuration i.e. any SKU with Windows will not come with Linux and vikki verki. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|] Edited by pwhysall Dec. 21, 2006, 10:27:16 AM EST Expand All History
Post #276,290 by pwhysall 12/21/06 10:48:18 AM Reply	I can show you a desktop... ...sort of. It's a workstation. Dell will sell you Linux on a Precision workstation. Interestingly, I've been dinking around with the UK and US configurators for Precision workstations and they say they support RHEL, but they don't actually have it as a selectable option when building your machine. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|]

French consumer group targets the Microsoft tax. - (a6l6e6x) - (80) - Dec. 14, 2006, 11:46:50 AM EST

French consumer group targets the "Microsoft tax". - (andread) - (79) - Dec. 14, 2006, 03:58:48 PM EST

Maybe you can - (tuberculosis) - Dec. 14, 2006, 07:30:30 PM EST

thats probably the most stupid remark you have ever uttered - (boxley) - (77) - Dec. 14, 2006, 07:51:38 PM EST

Unfortunately, no, it isn't. - (CRConrad) - (76) - Dec. 15, 2006, 02:40:10 AM EST

So Move to France - (andread) - (75) - Dec. 15, 2006, 10:57:20 AM EST

so only white box builders should be allowed to not sell $MS -NT - (boxley) - (74) - Dec. 15, 2006, 11:40:09 AM EST

Re: so only white box builders should be allowed to not sell - (andread) - (73) - Dec. 15, 2006, 03:36:12 PM EST

really? - (boxley) - Dec. 15, 2006, 03:48:56 PM EST

It most certainly is a question of allowed. - (Andrew Grygus) - (71) - Dec. 15, 2006, 03:51:06 PM EST

Re: It most certainly is a question of allowed. - (andread) - (70) - Dec. 17, 2006, 11:20:32 AM EST

well dell and gateway anyway, customer service sux -NT - (boxley) - Dec. 17, 2006, 11:32:50 AM EST

Hmm. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 17, 2006, 11:35:45 AM EST

It is to laugh . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Dec. 17, 2006, 12:20:10 PM EST

Nit - (pwhysall) - (1) - Dec. 17, 2006, 12:16:24 PM EST

Yea, PowerEdge - corrected. -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 17, 2006, 12:18:43 PM EST

I have a Lenovo laptop - (crazy) - Dec. 17, 2006, 12:16:27 PM EST

You miss the point spectacularly. - (pwhysall) - (63) - Dec. 17, 2006, 12:15:10 PM EST

Most shills do. ;-) -NT - (n3jja) - (61) - Dec. 17, 2006, 06:16:10 PM EST

Re: Most shills do. ;-) - (andread) - (60) - Dec. 18, 2006, 10:19:59 AM EST

There are certainly ways to do that WITHOUT - (bepatient) - Dec. 18, 2006, 10:36:40 AM EST

All PC buyers aren't the same. - (Another Scott) - (8) - Dec. 18, 2006, 10:49:56 AM EST

Why on Earth would you think such a thing??? - (CRConrad) - (7) - Dec. 18, 2006, 04:14:10 PM EST

Fanboy, maybe. Shill, no. - (Another Scott) - (6) - Dec. 18, 2006, 04:31:31 PM EST

Perhaps even a longterm MSFT stockholder. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Dec. 18, 2006, 05:35:45 PM EST

Whew! For a while there, I thought I had the usage wrong... - (CRConrad) - (4) - Dec. 19, 2006, 11:55:20 AM EST

dunno crc shill/fanboy=prostitute/slut one gets paid to - (boxley) - Dec. 19, 2006, 12:15:49 PM EST

wrong - (andread) - (2) - Dec. 21, 2006, 09:47:33 AM EST

Uuuh... How, exactly, was that *not* logic? - (CRConrad) - (1) - Dec. 21, 2006, 02:34:06 PM EST

logic? - (andread) - Dec. 22, 2006, 12:25:44 AM EST

I addressed your point directly, you ignored it, again - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 18, 2006, 11:46:10 AM EST

It's a lot harder, actually. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 18, 2006, 12:30:18 PM EST

I addressed your point directly, you ignored it, again - (boxley) - Dec. 18, 2006, 11:46:13 AM EST

And that means "Windows only" just how? - (Andrew Grygus) - (46) - Dec. 18, 2006, 12:29:27 PM EST

Re: And that means "Windows only" just how? - (andread) - (45) - Dec. 18, 2006, 05:07:48 PM EST

I'll bet companies that have to pay twice would like it. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 18, 2006, 05:30:08 PM EST

The value of PCs without software? - (pwhysall) - (43) - Dec. 18, 2006, 05:50:48 PM EST

Re: The value of PCs without software? - (andread) - (42) - Dec. 19, 2006, 10:50:53 AM EST

You are still missing it - (bepatient) - (18) - Dec. 19, 2006, 11:04:08 AM EST

For values of "missing it" equal to "doesn't WANT to get it" - (CRConrad) - (14) - Dec. 19, 2006, 12:01:22 PM EST

I understand the mental block - (bepatient) - (11) - Dec. 19, 2006, 12:17:14 PM EST

Bunk - (andread) - (10) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:09:42 PM EST

Bullpucky - (bepatient) - Dec. 19, 2006, 05:53:03 PM EST

horsekabobs - (boxley) - (8) - Dec. 19, 2006, 05:59:16 PM EST

Are you talking desktops or servers? - (lincoln) - (7) - Dec. 20, 2006, 02:46:56 PM EST

Dell's schizophrenic regarding Linux. - (Another Scott) - (6) - Dec. 20, 2006, 03:05:24 PM EST

Last I heard - though that was a while back . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Dec. 20, 2006, 05:38:47 PM EST

well, hear this - (andread) - (4) - Dec. 21, 2006, 09:44:01 AM EST

Please note: S-E-R-V-E-R - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Dec. 21, 2006, 09:48:27 AM EST

your words cited below - (andread) - (1) - Dec. 21, 2006, 09:54:30 AM EST

That's not what was said. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 21, 2006, 10:27:16 AM EST

I can show you a desktop... - (pwhysall) - Dec. 21, 2006, 10:48:18 AM EST

For values of "Chuckles" equal to "doesn't get it" - (andread) - (1) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:13:48 PM EST

Chuckling my cheeks off. - (CRConrad) - Dec. 20, 2006, 03:44:30 AM EST

Re: You are still missing it - (andread) - (2) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:02:00 PM EST

I didn't give you a car analogy - (bepatient) - (1) - Dec. 19, 2006, 05:59:53 PM EST

I think he's just trying to be annoying - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 20, 2006, 01:35:22 AM EST

Re: The value of PCs without software? - (pwhysall) - (18) - Dec. 19, 2006, 11:26:46 AM EST

full retail? - (andread) - (1) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:03:50 PM EST

Re: Business model - (hnick) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:41:26 PM EST

Re: The value of PCs without software? - (Simon_Jester) - (15) - Dec. 20, 2006, 09:48:41 AM EST

Re: The value of PCs without software? - (pwhysall) - (14) - Dec. 20, 2006, 10:10:24 AM EST

Wow.... - (Simon_Jester) - (13) - Dec. 20, 2006, 11:44:26 AM EST

The refund is wrong. - (pwhysall) - (12) - Dec. 20, 2006, 11:47:07 AM EST

a little googling - (andread) - (11) - Dec. 21, 2006, 10:02:37 AM EST

Did ZD do a followup, hmmm? -NT - (Another Scott) - Dec. 21, 2006, 10:32:06 AM EST

No pressure...of course not. - (Simon_Jester) - Dec. 21, 2006, 02:20:52 PM EST

As a builder formerly listed as a "Microsoft Partner" - - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 21, 2006, 02:38:18 PM EST

Re: a little googling ____ Not. So. Fast. there, fanboy - (Ashton) - (7) - Dec. 22, 2006, 03:19:41 AM EST

Ashton . . . you trying to overload the poor boy? - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 22, 2006, 12:48:15 PM EST

Re: a little googling - (andread) - (5) - Dec. 22, 2006, 09:09:45 PM EST

Ooh boy - (bepatient) - (4) - Dec. 22, 2006, 09:55:32 PM EST

Ooh - (andread) - (3) - Dec. 23, 2006, 10:28:47 AM EST

I know you're missing this on purpose, but ... - (drewk) - Dec. 23, 2006, 01:02:46 PM EST

You STILL ignore the point - (bepatient) - Dec. 23, 2006, 01:21:51 PM EST

Oh...So what, exactly, *did* you think we'd be discussing... - (CRConrad) - Dec. 23, 2006, 03:22:57 PM EST

Car analogy holds - (jbrabeck) - (3) - Dec. 19, 2006, 02:23:48 PM EST

Car analogy reeks - (andread) - (2) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:15:45 PM EST

Car analogy works - (ubernostrum) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:58:52 PM EST

Eh? - (pwhysall) - Dec. 20, 2006, 02:18:01 AM EST

That's not what he was aiming for -NT - (drewk) - Dec. 17, 2006, 06:20:48 PM EST

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