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New For values of "missing it" equal to "doesn't WANT to get it"
How the fucking fuck could that shill be "missing" something, when it's been fucking SPELLED OUT TO IT so many times?

That's not "missing it", that's NOT WANTING to get it.

Which, funnily enough, is exactly the behaviour you'd expect of a SHILL.

But nooo, Andrea Dear isn't a shill, oooh nooo she isn't...

Yeah, right.


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
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New I understand the mental block
because it is one that is shared by many.

The thought is that a pc is nothing without the OS and THE os is windows. That is a conditioned response..long since in place from the days of DOS.

I don't equate that with being a shill..that is simply what MS has been feeding users from the very beginning. No choice is necessary, windows comes with, naturally. Brainwashing.

The majority of the marketplace doesn't even KNOW their are other choices..choices that could work for them and at the same time save them money.

My opinion is very plain...if, in order to compete, you have to give away your product..there is something fundamentally wrong in the market. The MS monopoly has become so pervasive that the market knows nothing else...and in this it is like the ATT of old. There are no alternatives, this is what you get. The difference is that ATT had infrastructure barriers. To compete you had to lay wire and build a network. Here..the solution is much simpler, there is not a huge barrier. The problem is and continues to be severe anticompetitive behavior of MS which dries up all funds to create commercial alternatives...forcing competitors to come from the generosity of others...and that generosity comes from the OSS community.

Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New Bunk
I doubt there are many out there who haven't seen those PC and Mac
ads on the tube

The "people" have made their choices
business has made its choices

you guys just don't like them

A
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New Bullpucky
Businesses OFTEN had to pay MS tax twice..buying machines pre-loaded and then paying MS for the priveledge of loading a corporate windows build over top. Name me one manager that would CHOOSE that?

Consumers NEVER HAD A CHOICE. Its been that way for so long that they never even knew there was one to be made.

Starting to think that maybe the shill tag is starting to fit.

It has nothing to do with me liking or disliking the choice. There was never a choice offered to like or dislike. Read that. NEVER.

You completely ignored the fact that I can order from a half dozen processors, 3 or 4 different sound architectures, a half dozen monitors, with or without camera, with or without modem, with or without wireless...but I still have no choice regarding the OS..even though there are alternatives.

While I was giving you the benefit of the doubt to now...you've proven that you are 1) beholden to MS or 2) beyond rational thought.

Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New horsekabobs
I order dells and put redhat on them for the business, the boxes are pre-loaded with $MS. Thats is how we have to buy them. Do we like paying for windows? no. No choice since we want intel hardware with service contracts.
thanx,
bill
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New Are you talking desktops or servers?
Haven't been to their web site in years, but I've heard about them selling servers pre-loaded with RedHat on them. Don't know if there's a price differential between those units and ones with Windows on them. And I doubt that the invoice is detailed enough to show you what you're being billed for RedHat.

lincoln

"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow


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I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States.


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New Dell's schizophrenic regarding Linux.
E.g. Dell Singapore lists [link|http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/ap/topics/microsite/en/redhat?c=sg&l=en&s=bsd|this] PowerEdge 1950 with RHEL installed. If you search for Linux at Dell.com you'll see a [link|http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/precn_390?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04|Precision 390 Workstation] box with RHEL available, but if you go to Customize it, there doesn't seem to be any way to get anything other than Windows.

It looks to me that one must have the patience of Job to get a consumer box with Linux from Dell.

FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Last I heard - though that was a while back . . .
. . they were not allowed to offer any other OS on any model that was available with Windows. If they offered Linux it had to be a different SKU (Stocking Unit) and Winodws could not be available for that model designation.

That would make it imposible for them to offer Linux under customization, you'd have to know the model number (often not listed) for the Linux SKU.
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New well, hear this
[link|http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=sc1435-min&s=bsd|Dell server with choice of no o/s, 2 windows, 2 redhat or 2 suse]

Hmmmm

A
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New Please note: S-E-R-V-E-R
What have we been telling you all this time? Servers have DIFFERENT RULES. Just how damned thick is your skull - bone to the center? Do you actually comprehend anything you read?

Show me a desktop SKU offering those choices.
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New your words cited below
. they were not allowed to offer any other OS on any model that was available with Windows
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New That's not what was said.
Any configuration i.e. any SKU with Windows will not come with Linux and vikki verki.


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Expand Edited by pwhysall Dec. 21, 2006, 10:27:16 AM EST
New I can show you a desktop...
...sort of.

It's a workstation. Dell will sell you Linux on a Precision workstation.

Interestingly, I've been dinking around with the UK and US configurators for Precision workstations and they say they support RHEL, but they don't actually have it as a selectable option when building your machine.


Peter
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New For values of "Chuckles" equal to "doesn't get it"
there are 924 registered users here
almost all of them are likely Linux and/or Mac users
when they have a choice anyway

what would the value to MS of having a shill here be?

and, in general, don't you think that pointless name-calling
adds nothing to a discussion

A
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New Chuckling my cheeks off.
My nether ones, that is -- I'm laughing my arse off at this idiocy:
what would the value to MS of having a shill here be?
You know, I really can't see that either. So, what the fuck ARE you doing here?

(Can it really be JUST .sig-spamming that silly little radio thing?)


and, in general, don't you think that pointless name-calling adds nothing to a discussion
Of course, exactly my point! (So what's with the silly "Chuckles" crap, Dear?)

My pointing out what you are, OTOH, isn't pointless at all: At long last, it seems I've been able to raise the general awareness of our fellow posters here. And knowing whom you're dealing with, that can never be a bad thing, wouldn't you say?


Chuckles to you,


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
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     French consumer group targets the Microsoft tax. - (a6l6e6x) - (80)
         French consumer group targets the "Microsoft tax". - (andread) - (79)
             Maybe you can - (tuberculosis)
             thats probably the most stupid remark you have ever uttered - (boxley) - (77)
                 Unfortunately, no, it isn't. - (CRConrad) - (76)
                     So Move to France - (andread) - (75)
                         so only white box builders should be allowed to not sell $MS -NT - (boxley) - (74)
                             Re: so only white box builders should be allowed to not sell - (andread) - (73)
                                 really? - (boxley)
                                 It most certainly is a question of allowed. - (Andrew Grygus) - (71)
                                     Re: It most certainly is a question of allowed. - (andread) - (70)
                                         well dell and gateway anyway, customer service sux -NT - (boxley)
                                         Hmm. - (Another Scott)
                                         It is to laugh . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
                                             Nit - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                 Yea, PowerEdge - corrected. -NT - (Andrew Grygus)
                                             I have a Lenovo laptop - (crazy)
                                         You miss the point spectacularly. - (pwhysall) - (63)
                                             Most shills do. ;-) -NT - (n3jja) - (61)
                                                 Re: Most shills do. ;-) - (andread) - (60)
                                                     There are certainly ways to do that WITHOUT - (bepatient)
                                                     All PC buyers aren't the same. - (Another Scott) - (8)
                                                         Why on Earth would you think such a thing??? - (CRConrad) - (7)
                                                             Fanboy, maybe. Shill, no. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                                                 Perhaps even a longterm MSFT stockholder. -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                                                                 Whew! For a while there, I thought I had the usage wrong... - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                                                     dunno crc shill/fanboy=prostitute/slut one gets paid to - (boxley)
                                                                     wrong - (andread) - (2)
                                                                         Uuuh... How, exactly, was that *not* logic? - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                                             logic? - (andread)
                                                     I addressed your point directly, you ignored it, again - (boxley) - (1)
                                                         It's a lot harder, actually. - (pwhysall)
                                                     I addressed your point directly, you ignored it, again - (boxley)
                                                     And that means "Windows only" just how? - (Andrew Grygus) - (46)
                                                         Re: And that means "Windows only" just how? - (andread) - (45)
                                                             I'll bet companies that have to pay twice would like it. - (Another Scott)
                                                             The value of PCs without software? - (pwhysall) - (43)
                                                                 Re: The value of PCs without software? - (andread) - (42)
                                                                     You are still missing it - (bepatient) - (18)
                                                                         For values of "missing it" equal to "doesn't WANT to get it" - (CRConrad) - (14)
                                                                             I understand the mental block - (bepatient) - (11)
                                                                                 Bunk - (andread) - (10)
                                                                                     Bullpucky - (bepatient)
                                                                                     horsekabobs - (boxley) - (8)
                                                                                         Are you talking desktops or servers? - (lincoln) - (7)
                                                                                             Dell's schizophrenic regarding Linux. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                                                                                 Last I heard - though that was a while back . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                                                                                                     well, hear this - (andread) - (4)
                                                                                                         Please note: S-E-R-V-E-R - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
                                                                                                             your words cited below - (andread) - (1)
                                                                                                                 That's not what was said. - (pwhysall)
                                                                                                             I can show you a desktop... - (pwhysall)
                                                                             For values of "Chuckles" equal to "doesn't get it" - (andread) - (1)
                                                                                 Chuckling my cheeks off. - (CRConrad)
                                                                         Re: You are still missing it - (andread) - (2)
                                                                             I didn't give you a car analogy - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                                 I think he's just trying to be annoying - (Andrew Grygus)
                                                                     Re: The value of PCs without software? - (pwhysall) - (18)
                                                                         full retail? - (andread) - (1)
                                                                             Re: Business model - (hnick)
                                                                         Re: The value of PCs without software? - (Simon_Jester) - (15)
                                                                             Re: The value of PCs without software? - (pwhysall) - (14)
                                                                                 Wow.... - (Simon_Jester) - (13)
                                                                                     The refund is wrong. - (pwhysall) - (12)
                                                                                         a little googling - (andread) - (11)
                                                                                             Did ZD do a followup, hmmm? -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                                             No pressure...of course not. - (Simon_Jester)
                                                                                             As a builder formerly listed as a "Microsoft Partner" - - (Andrew Grygus)
                                                                                             Re: a little googling ____ Not. So. Fast. there, fanboy - (Ashton) - (7)
                                                                                                 Ashton . . . you trying to overload the poor boy? - (Andrew Grygus)
                                                                                                 Re: a little googling - (andread) - (5)
                                                                                                     Ooh boy - (bepatient) - (4)
                                                                                                         Ooh - (andread) - (3)
                                                                                                             I know you're missing this on purpose, but ... - (drewk)
                                                                                                             You STILL ignore the point - (bepatient)
                                                                                                             Oh...So what, exactly, *did* you think we'd be discussing... - (CRConrad)
                                                                     Car analogy holds - (jbrabeck) - (3)
                                                                         Car analogy reeks - (andread) - (2)
                                                                             Car analogy works - (ubernostrum)
                                                                             Eh? - (pwhysall)
                                             That's not what he was aiming for -NT - (drewk)

How convenient is that??
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