Post #210,092
6/6/05 5:30:42 PM
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If the insurance company thinks so, they'll pay for it
It's their risk - that's why you pay them. Car theft is not your problem.
If you don't buy it and the car is stolen, they'll buy you a new car. The fact that they don't require it or rate discount heavily for it, implies that their actuaries think that it is more economical to take the chance and bet it won't be stolen.
Add to this the thought that thieves usually are often taking a car to perform some risky activity. For instance, a family station wagon was taken from a service garage where the mechanic started it to let it warm up before performing some check. The car was found filled with greasy car parts.
If taken, your car will likely be damaged within the first couple of hours - trust me - you don't want it back. You want a new car.
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Post #210,094
6/6/05 5:38:49 PM
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How odd all this is.
Over here, car theft (usually for profit) was, at one point, endemic, and is now decreasing (for the following reason)
That's why if you get into any UK-spec car without the keys, your chances of starting it usually hover around the "nil" mark for anything made in the last 10 years. Even the \ufffd500 worth of Renault Laguna I used to have would be nigh-on impossible to start sans keys.
That'd be why one of the most commonly burgled items is, in fact, car keys.
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Post #210,101
6/6/05 6:11:47 PM
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if the car starts by inserting a key into a tumbler
you start the car by removing the pins and turn the tumbler with a screwdriver. Tools needed. One fast cordless drill, standard screwdriver.
thanx,
bill
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Post #210,104
6/6/05 6:25:09 PM
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Slide hammer is faster than a drill.
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Post #210,105
6/6/05 6:32:35 PM
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Pair of scissors
...with electrical tape wrapped around one blade (the naked metal serving as the business end, the tape serving to insulate the bad guy's tender palm from harm as leverage was applied) was all it took to abscond with the SO's 1980 280Z at the end of 1999, after we'd been here about three months. The scissors were still stuck into the ignition when the car was recovered in nearby Richmond a few weeks later, having been abandoned and towed after the thieves blew the head gasket. She stashed the vehicle in a friend's garage for five years after that, and only returned it to functionality half a year ago when the friend decided she needed the garage for her own purposes. It now resides in her office parking lot near the waterfront, and is driven about fifteen miles a month. The arrangement does not make a great deal of sense to me, but the first time I raised this point persuaded me that little would be accomplished by raising it again. She does speak of having a cunningly-concealed kill switch installed, however.
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Post #210,185
6/7/05 1:29:47 AM
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OK. You're in. Now start it.
UK spec cars are, like most, trivial to enter. They're not trivial to start, which is why twocking is increasingly associated with burglary.
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Post #210,193
6/7/05 2:39:32 AM
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Don't work for modern anti-theft ignition killers.
The key has a little RFID-type thingy in it. If the ignition system doesn't recognise the code in the key, it doesn't start. And the correct key no longer works, either! There were copious warnings from Mitsubishi about this when I got my ignition key copied: buy the blank from them, get it cut somewhere, come back and we'll code it.
I believe these are mandated in Australia, now.
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Post #210,194
6/7/05 2:53:35 AM
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That's certainly the case for my car.
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Post #210,208
6/7/05 8:31:47 AM
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cant press the valet button?
better yet yank the 2 wires that go into it and tie them together which is what I did on my Aerostar when the rfid battery on my key died.
For techno savvy folks you have strange ieas about how electricity works. The only thing you really need a key for is to unlock the steering wheel and there is ways around that as well.
thanx,
bill
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Post #210,209
6/7/05 8:35:42 AM
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"Valet button"?
No such thing on my car. If the key doesn't fit, the immobiliser stays on, and the engine doesn't start.
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Post #210,210
6/7/05 8:39:51 AM
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what is an immobilizer
it is a device that separates 2 wires and uses a relay to join them when a signal is given, yank the farker out of the way and wire them directly. Alternatively run a wire from the positive cable on the battery directly to the coil and jump the solenoid Im off, yer walking.
thanx,
bill
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Post #210,211
6/7/05 8:40:45 AM
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Never heard of that.
Can't see it working on any car with electronic ignition, either (controlled by EMU which is connected to immobiliser)
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Post #210,219
6/7/05 9:57:26 AM
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how is it connected to an immobilizer? a wire?
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Post #210,237
6/7/05 12:19:46 PM
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Indeed.
Mr EMU starts up, says to Mr Immobiliser "Sir, have we a proper key?"
Mr Immobiliser says, "Why, yes, we do."
Mr EMU says, "That's a good thing. I can't start this here engine without that, you know."
And Mr EMU then proceeds to deign to allow the electronic ignition to start.
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Post #210,241
6/7/05 12:26:30 PM
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and the laguage they speak is called voltage
bypass that sucker in a heartbeat.
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bill
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Post #210,243
6/7/05 12:31:22 PM
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Right.
If you can start Bill's car without keys on July 3 then I'll buy you a beer.
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Post #210,245
6/7/05 12:33:20 PM
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is this the widget in question? (new thread)
Created as new thread #210244 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=210244|is this the widget in question?]
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Post #210,353
6/7/05 9:02:28 PM
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Don't have one of those.
It's not a high-end car, anyway. And for all I know, the authentication happens between the EFI unit under the bonnet and the key. And the cylinder in the column is probably armoured. And I know it does more than just unlock the steering column because that interlock is actually broken in my car. I have a good idea how electricity works, thank you (I've built things electronic), and can recast at the problem of bypassing the correct key as a security problem. And that class of situation I *am* familiar with.
Look, I'm not really interested in quite how it works because it works well enough. My previous car did not have such a system, nor an armoured cylinder and that led directly to it being a moderately popular model for theft. In the other direction, engine disabling mechanisms have gotten so good that thieves have taken to nicking the keys as well as the car. Sometimes at gun-point.
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Post #210,187
6/7/05 1:58:48 AM
6/7/05 2:00:18 AM
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Arse 1!
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June 7, 2005, 02:00:18 AM EDT
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Post #210,188
6/7/05 1:59:21 AM
6/7/05 2:00:39 AM
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Arse 2!
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Edited by pwhysall
June 7, 2005, 02:00:39 AM EDT
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Post #210,190
6/7/05 1:59:33 AM
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Falling Car Crime In The UK & The Great Insurance Ripoff (new thread)
Created as new thread #210189 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=210189|Falling Car Crime In The UK & The Great Insurance Ripoff]
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