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Post #210,101 by boxley 6/6/05 6:11:47 PM Reply	if the car starts by inserting a key into a tumbler you start the car by removing the pins and turn the tumbler with a screwdriver. Tools needed. One fast cordless drill, standard screwdriver. thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #210,104 by hnick 6/6/05 6:25:09 PM Reply	Slide hammer is faster than a drill.
Post #210,105 by rcareaga 6/6/05 6:32:35 PM Reply	Pair of scissors ...with electrical tape wrapped around one blade (the naked metal serving as the business end, the tape serving to insulate the bad guy's tender palm from harm as leverage was applied) was all it took to abscond with the SO's 1980 280Z at the end of 1999, after we'd been here about three months. The scissors were still stuck into the ignition when the car was recovered in nearby Richmond a few weeks later, having been abandoned and towed after the thieves blew the head gasket. She stashed the vehicle in a friend's garage for five years after that, and only returned it to functionality half a year ago when the friend decided she needed the garage for her own purposes. It now resides in her office parking lot near the waterfront, and is driven about fifteen miles a month. The arrangement does not make a great deal of sense to me, but the first time I raised this point persuaded me that little would be accomplished by raising it again. She does speak of having a cunningly-concealed kill switch installed, however. cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #210,185 by pwhysall 6/7/05 1:29:47 AM Reply	OK. You're in. Now start it. UK spec cars are, like most, trivial to enter. They're not trivial to start, which is why twocking is increasingly associated with burglary. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,193 by static 6/7/05 2:39:32 AM Reply	Don't work for modern anti-theft ignition killers. The key has a little RFID-type thingy in it. If the ignition system doesn't recognise the code in the key, it doesn't start. And the correct key no longer works, either! There were copious warnings from Mitsubishi about this when I got my ignition key copied: buy the blank from them, get it cut somewhere, come back and we'll code it. I believe these are mandated in Australia, now. Wade. Save Fintlewoodlewix
Post #210,194 by pwhysall 6/7/05 2:53:35 AM Reply	That's certainly the case for my car. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,208 by boxley 6/7/05 8:31:47 AM Reply	cant press the valet button? better yet yank the 2 wires that go into it and tie them together which is what I did on my Aerostar when the rfid battery on my key died. For techno savvy folks you have strange ieas about how electricity works. The only thing you really need a key for is to unlock the steering wheel and there is ways around that as well. thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #210,209 by pwhysall 6/7/05 8:35:42 AM Reply	"Valet button"? No such thing on my car. If the key doesn't fit, the immobiliser stays on, and the engine doesn't start. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,210 by boxley 6/7/05 8:39:51 AM Reply	what is an immobilizer it is a device that separates 2 wires and uses a relay to join them when a signal is given, yank the farker out of the way and wire them directly. Alternatively run a wire from the positive cable on the battery directly to the coil and jump the solenoid Im off, yer walking. thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #210,211 by pwhysall 6/7/05 8:40:45 AM Reply	Never heard of that. Can't see it working on any car with electronic ignition, either (controlled by EMU which is connected to immobiliser) Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,219 by boxley 6/7/05 9:57:26 AM Reply	how is it connected to an immobilizer? a wire? All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #210,237 by pwhysall 6/7/05 12:19:46 PM Reply	Indeed. Mr EMU starts up, says to Mr Immobiliser "Sir, have we a proper key?" Mr Immobiliser says, "Why, yes, we do." Mr EMU says, "That's a good thing. I can't start this here engine without that, you know." And Mr EMU then proceeds to deign to allow the electronic ignition to start. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,241 by boxley 6/7/05 12:26:30 PM Reply	and the laguage they speak is called voltage bypass that sucker in a heartbeat. thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #210,243 by pwhysall 6/7/05 12:31:22 PM Reply	Right. If you can start Bill's car without keys on July 3 then I'll buy you a beer. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,245 by boxley 6/7/05 12:33:20 PM Reply	is this the widget in question? (new thread) Created as new thread #210244 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=210244\|is this the widget in question?] All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #210,353 by static 6/7/05 9:02:28 PM Reply	Don't have one of those. It's not a high-end car, anyway. And for all I know, the authentication happens between the EFI unit under the bonnet and the key. And the cylinder in the column is probably armoured. And I know it does more than just unlock the steering column because that interlock is actually broken in my car. I have a good idea how electricity works, thank you (I've built things electronic), and can recast at the problem of bypassing the correct key as a security problem. And that class of situation I am familiar with. Look, I'm not really interested in quite how it works because it works well enough. My previous car did not have such a system, nor an armoured cylinder and that led directly to it being a moderately popular model for theft. In the other direction, engine disabling mechanisms have gotten so good that thieves have taken to nicking the keys as well as the car. Sometimes at gun-point. Wade. Save Fintlewoodlewix

Can I trust this? - (ben_tilly) - (165) - June 5, 2005, 12:11:00 AM EDT

Dunno, but seems pretty low. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 12:36:33 AM EDT

No trade-in - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 02:08:30 AM EDT

No - (broomberg) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 01:17:36 AM EDT

Thought not :-) - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 02:05:18 AM EDT

Can you get a written quote? - (pwhysall) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 03:01:07 AM EDT

It is here as well...but there are ways around that... -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 03:12:01 AM EDT

Troof. These are CAR DEALERS we're talking about, after all. -NT - (pwhysall) - June 5, 2005, 03:22:48 AM EDT

Maybe - - (Ashton) - (8) - June 5, 2005, 04:22:46 AM EDT

Am I being too picky? - (ben_tilly) - (7) - June 5, 2005, 10:14:53 AM EDT

That depends. - (pwhysall) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 10:48:26 AM EDT

Right. I just hate spending money. - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:29:02 AM EDT

Re: Right. I just hate spending money. - (Ashton) - June 6, 2005, 05:15:25 AM EDT

Don't do it - (broomberg) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 11:16:08 AM EDT

Good points - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:27:39 AM EDT

Just be a reasonable alternative - (broomberg) - June 5, 2005, 11:53:51 AM EDT

Don't choose between sizes based on price. - (Another Scott) - June 5, 2005, 11:27:40 AM EDT

If you are paying cash - (boxley) - (5) - June 5, 2005, 08:11:42 AM EDT

Re: "tell them that you are comparing" - (a6l6e6x) - (4) - June 5, 2005, 12:24:06 PM EDT

I didnt even look at GM even tho I get the discount - (boxley) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 12:42:18 PM EDT

Better than Fords - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:05:28 AM EDT

There is a *reason* that GM is desperate - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 02:59:14 PM EDT

No argument there. Last one I owned was a 1980 Citation. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - June 5, 2005, 10:26:39 PM EDT

Was price quoted on one of the demo models? - (jbrabeck) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 08:30:38 AM EDT

Will check on that - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 09:30:01 AM EDT

now have you looked at khia's more car less price - (boxley) - (17) - June 5, 2005, 11:37:56 AM EDT

Re: now have you looked at khia's more car less price - (Yendor) - June 5, 2005, 11:54:17 AM EDT

Kia, not Khia - (broomberg) - (7) - June 5, 2005, 11:56:35 AM EDT

What, you never heard of a Garmann Khia? :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (6) - June 5, 2005, 12:26:10 PM EDT

well I meant the Korean not the Carmen:-) -NT - (boxley) - June 5, 2005, 12:39:10 PM EDT

No, but I have heard of a VW Karmen-Ghia. -NT - (folkert) - (4) - June 5, 2005, 11:30:56 PM EDT

No you haven't; Alex had it right. - (CRConrad) - (3) - June 6, 2005, 03:09:24 AM EDT

My favorite Picker of Nits! -NT - (folkert) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 07:12:24 AM EDT

Bah, I bet you say that to *all* the girls! - (CRConrad) - June 6, 2005, 09:45:36 AM EDT

That's a Bingo! -NT - (a6l6e6x) - June 6, 2005, 08:47:23 AM EDT

That's the life span of an American car - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:05:32 AM EDT

No, and quality matters - (ben_tilly) - (6) - June 5, 2005, 04:12:08 PM EDT

Re: No, and quality matters - (dws) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 04:22:04 PM EDT

On Hyundai... - (pwhysall) - June 5, 2005, 04:28:55 PM EDT

they wouldnt offer such a warranty if they expected expensiv - (boxley) - (3) - June 5, 2005, 04:34:46 PM EDT

Actually, no - (broomberg) - June 5, 2005, 05:06:02 PM EDT

Point - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 05:20:08 PM EDT

didnt know about the milage, mind changed -NT - (boxley) - June 5, 2005, 06:45:04 PM EDT

Probably add local delivery, taxes and tags. - (bepatient) - (71) - June 5, 2005, 04:39:07 PM EDT

And it will never, ever break. - (pwhysall) - (70) - June 5, 2005, 04:42:44 PM EDT

Depends. - (Another Scott) - (66) - June 5, 2005, 05:17:36 PM EDT

Re: Depends. - (Ashton) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 05:46:45 AM EDT

Werd. - (pwhysall) - June 6, 2005, 07:01:40 AM EDT

Sure it's a wheel bearing? - (Steve Lowe) - (63) - June 6, 2005, 04:33:22 PM EDT

Seconded.. though usually.. those 'click' not whine (?) - (Ashton) - (60) - June 6, 2005, 05:02:47 PM EDT

Most interesting... - (pwhysall) - (59) - June 6, 2005, 05:07:26 PM EDT

Can't you weird Brit-peeples say "left" and "right"? - (CRConrad) - (58) - June 7, 2005, 07:43:22 AM EDT

Dear CRC - (pwhysall) - (51) - June 7, 2005, 08:13:52 AM EDT

I bet he has a really clean house! -NT - (bionerd) - (50) - June 7, 2005, 02:31:43 PM EDT

Oh, bullcrap. So, silly vego-person, can *you*... - (CRConrad) - (49) - June 8, 2005, 07:49:41 AM EDT

You need to turn up your humor detector. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - June 8, 2005, 08:04:18 AM EDT

Stop being a knobhead, CRC. - (pwhysall) - (37) - June 8, 2005, 08:06:21 AM EDT

He's not he is being CRC so leave him be -NT - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 08:23:26 AM EDT

You first, PeeWee. - (CRConrad) - (35) - June 8, 2005, 08:27:14 AM EDT

Oh, give it a rest, ffs. - (pwhysall) - (34) - June 8, 2005, 08:34:27 AM EDT

Any time. - (CRConrad) - (11) - June 8, 2005, 09:10:40 AM EDT

Re: Any time. - (pwhysall) - (9) - June 8, 2005, 09:39:56 AM EDT

AKA "I don't have any real answer". OK, noted. -NT - (CRConrad) - (6) - June 8, 2005, 09:46:19 AM EDT

Yellow flag thrown! - (bepatient) - (5) - June 8, 2005, 10:33:49 AM EDT

Bonus points awarded - (rcareaga) - (2) - June 8, 2005, 11:25:01 AM EDT

Having at WHOM? - (pwhysall) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 05:56:04 PM EDT

I stand corrected - (rcareaga) - June 9, 2005, 12:05:06 AM EDT

Oh, and by the way ... - (drewk) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 12:20:09 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 12:37:29 PM EDT

No, no, no. - (admin) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 10:52:36 AM EDT

ROFL! - (folkert) - June 8, 2005, 11:03:42 AM EDT

And there we are. - (mmoffitt) - June 8, 2005, 12:35:35 PM EDT

Normal usage? Not here. - (ben_tilly) - (21) - June 8, 2005, 02:01:53 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (CRConrad) - June 8, 2005, 02:21:01 PM EDT

So I guess... - (admin) - (19) - June 8, 2005, 03:14:33 PM EDT

Furlongs -NT - (drewk) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 03:16:47 PM EDT

no. - (pwhysall) - June 8, 2005, 03:29:43 PM EDT

You're risking a barrage of Norse longboat vituperation. ;) - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 03:23:04 PM EDT

Keeps the LRPDs coming, dunnit? -NT - (admin) - June 8, 2005, 03:28:23 PM EDT

thats knot a good measurement -NT - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 03:38:51 PM EDT

Um, actually, I think that your guess was backwards - (ben_tilly) - (13) - June 8, 2005, 05:17:34 PM EDT

I had it backwards, actually. - (pwhysall) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 05:25:42 PM EDT

what no fenders or wheel wells hood or trunk? -NT - (boxley) - June 8, 2005, 05:51:31 PM EDT

Confused? No. - (admin) - (10) - June 8, 2005, 05:57:10 PM EDT

Kind of invalidates your parallel, doesn't it though? - (CRConrad) - (9) - June 8, 2005, 06:28:51 PM EDT

It's called "hyperbole". HTH! -NT - (admin) - (8) - June 8, 2005, 06:30:11 PM EDT

OK, that's another word for it. Thanks! - (CRConrad) - (7) - June 9, 2005, 03:35:09 AM EDT

Whatever gets you through the day. - (admin) - (6) - June 9, 2005, 08:15:55 AM EDT

I think you're forgetting the most salient detail here... - (CRConrad) - (5) - June 9, 2005, 09:37:02 AM EDT

Ha, nice try. - (admin) - (4) - June 9, 2005, 10:05:27 AM EDT

Not even a "nice try" from you, though. - (CRConrad) - (3) - June 9, 2005, 02:55:56 PM EDT

Sorry, not my conversation, yours. -NT - (admin) - (2) - June 9, 2005, 04:14:30 PM EDT

Ha ha, very funny. But, hey, if you're granting... - (CRConrad) - (1) - June 10, 2005, 02:38:21 AM EDT

No, you mistake my meaning. - (admin) - June 10, 2005, 08:22:40 AM EDT

Yeah, actually I did understand what Peter was talking about - (bionerd) - (9) - June 8, 2005, 09:56:51 AM EDT

... - (admin) - June 8, 2005, 10:53:33 AM EDT

You keep coming back to that. - (pwhysall) - June 8, 2005, 11:04:04 AM EDT

Errrrmh, <cough>... ummm - (folkert) - June 8, 2005, 11:05:07 AM EDT

Oh, you're all just basking in your cleverness, arent you? -NT - (bionerd) - (4) - June 8, 2005, 11:51:16 AM EDT

They're sure basking in something! - (Nightowl) - June 8, 2005, 11:58:10 AM EDT

Had I seen it in time, I too would have been sorely tempted. -NT - (CRConrad) - June 8, 2005, 01:44:30 PM EDT

poor fellas cant tell the difference between an adjective - (boxley) - (1) - June 8, 2005, 06:28:39 PM EDT

If you've got... - (pwhysall) - June 8, 2005, 06:13:58 PM EDT

OK,w/ that admission you can to call me (or NE1) one too! :) -NT - (CRConrad) - June 8, 2005, 01:47:38 PM EDT

Oh *absolutely* gibber the Norse longboat terminology at us -NT - (drewk) - (4) - June 7, 2005, 09:26:31 AM EDT

ICLFRPD (new thread) - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 09:49:41 AM EDT

Uh, that would be Larboard/Starboard, Lubber Boy -NT - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:13:18 AM EDT

nope havn/styrbord larboard is the same -NT - (boxley) - (1) - June 7, 2005, 02:14:07 PM EDT

Not so - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:13:39 AM EDT

Doubly so when they drive on the wrong side of the road -NT - (ben_tilly) - June 7, 2005, 02:33:16 PM EDT

It seems like a wheel bearing. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 09:07:15 PM EDT

The wheel bearing's fine. Needs a rear McPherson strut. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - June 11, 2005, 08:06:48 PM EDT

Consumer Reports likes them - (ben_tilly) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 06:02:07 PM EDT

Re: Consumer Reports likes them - (lincoln) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 01:23:37 PM EDT

Means it is even better than advertised. :-) -NT - (ben_tilly) - June 6, 2005, 08:09:50 PM EDT

Internet/Fleet sales is the way to go - (tonytib) - (6) - June 5, 2005, 08:30:28 PM EDT

that's how I bought my '96 Nissan Altima - (cforde) - (2) - June 6, 2005, 01:12:51 AM EDT

'96 Nissan Altima - (Ashton) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 05:52:34 AM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (Steve Lowe) - June 6, 2005, 04:24:35 PM EDT

Over here, one avoids ex-fleet cars like t'plague. - (pwhysall) - (2) - June 6, 2005, 01:26:47 AM EDT

Please read more carefully - (tonytib) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 09:29:57 PM EDT

Over here... - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 01:28:32 AM EDT

Some things I saw. - (static) - June 5, 2005, 11:07:04 PM EDT

It looks like I can trust it (is LoJack worthwhile?) - (ben_tilly) - (34) - June 5, 2005, 11:20:26 PM EDT

Yes. Do you know what it is/does? -NT - (folkert) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:28:39 PM EDT

I know what it is/does - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 11:43:02 PM EDT

Do you know of anyone out there that's had a car stolen? - (Another Scott) - (3) - June 5, 2005, 11:39:47 PM EDT

This *IS* Los Angeles - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 11:48:29 PM EDT

It does happen. - (admin) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 07:43:45 AM EDT

Had my new '87 'stang stolen... - (folkert) - June 6, 2005, 04:40:27 PM EDT

Take it - (broomberg) - (2) - June 5, 2005, 11:43:06 PM EDT

I believe there is no sticker with LoJack - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:44:58 PM EDT

If professional thieves get it, it won't matter -NT - (drewk) - June 5, 2005, 11:47:57 PM EDT

I *would* have said yes, but look at the insurance company - (drewk) - (1) - June 5, 2005, 11:46:19 PM EDT

Yabut, there is a twist - (ben_tilly) - June 5, 2005, 11:52:57 PM EDT

Aren't taxes computed on the before rebate price? -NT - (lincoln) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 01:26:43 PM EDT

Yes. -NT - (ben_tilly) - June 6, 2005, 08:10:13 PM EDT

If the insurance company thinks so, they'll pay for it - (tuberculosis) - (20) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:46 AM EDT

How odd all this is. - (pwhysall) - (19) - June 6, 2005, 05:38:49 PM EDT

if the car starts by inserting a key into a tumbler - (boxley) - (15) - June 6, 2005, 06:11:47 PM EDT

Slide hammer is faster than a drill. -NT - (hnick) - June 6, 2005, 06:25:09 PM EDT

Pair of scissors - (rcareaga) - June 6, 2005, 06:32:35 PM EDT

OK. You're in. Now start it. - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 01:29:47 AM EDT

Don't work for modern anti-theft ignition killers. - (static) - (11) - June 7, 2005, 02:39:32 AM EDT

That's certainly the case for my car. -NT - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 02:53:35 AM EDT

cant press the valet button? - (boxley) - (9) - June 7, 2005, 08:31:47 AM EDT

"Valet button"? - (pwhysall) - (7) - June 7, 2005, 08:35:42 AM EDT

what is an immobilizer - (boxley) - (6) - June 7, 2005, 08:39:51 AM EDT

Never heard of that. - (pwhysall) - (5) - June 7, 2005, 08:40:45 AM EDT

how is it connected to an immobilizer? a wire? -NT - (boxley) - (4) - June 7, 2005, 09:57:26 AM EDT

Indeed. - (pwhysall) - (3) - June 7, 2005, 12:19:46 PM EDT

and the laguage they speak is called voltage - (boxley) - (1) - June 7, 2005, 12:26:30 PM EDT

Right. - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 12:31:22 PM EDT

is this the widget in question? (new thread) - (boxley) - June 7, 2005, 12:33:20 PM EDT

Don't have one of those. - (static) - June 7, 2005, 09:02:28 PM EDT

Arse 1! -NT - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 02:00:18 AM EDT

Arse 2! -NT - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 02:00:39 AM EDT

Falling Car Crime In The UK & The Great Insurance Ripoff (new thread) - (pwhysall) - June 7, 2005, 01:59:33 AM EDT

Purchased - (ben_tilly) - (7) - June 6, 2005, 09:16:17 PM EDT

Congrats! -NT - (Another Scott) - June 6, 2005, 08:35:53 PM EDT

car dealers never lose :-) - (boxley) - (2) - June 6, 2005, 09:18:17 PM EDT

He lost according to Toyota's figures - (ben_tilly) - (1) - June 6, 2005, 09:48:01 PM EDT

Re: He lost according to Toyota's figures - (dws) - June 6, 2005, 10:46:31 PM EDT

suggestion.. - (cforde) - (2) - June 9, 2005, 03:02:31 AM EDT

I'll definitely think about that - (ben_tilly) - June 9, 2005, 02:25:15 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly) - June 9, 2005, 02:25:28 PM EDT

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