Depends.

Post #209,944 by Another Scott 6/5/05 5:17:36 PM Reply	Depends. I've been a little disappointed with my wife's 1993 Corolla DX (1.8 liter). It's got 173,000 miles on it and still gets close to 40 mpg on the highway (~32 in town). But, it's had lots of problems with plastic bits in the interior breaking every few years (interior door handles have broken off ~ 4 times, window cranks have broken off ~ 3 times). There's a plastic collar around the steering column that had some interior plastic bosses break, so it rattles. The windshield washer fluid reservoir mounting boss broke when the car was about 2 years old. Some string holds it in place now. There's also something weird about the air distribution in it - the air vents in the dash seem to be aimed in such a way that air is always blowing in the driver's eyes if you have the fan on (even when it's not on defrost). She wears contacts, so that's a big problem - she almost never uses the fan because of it. Maybe they didn't assemble something right (it was built in Canada). One of the right rear taillights is always out even though the bulb is fine (that seems to be a common problem with Corollas of that vintage). It's been "fixed" a couple of times, but the repair only lasts a few weeks. There seems to be a bad ground back there somewhere. The valve seals leak, so it puffs out a puff of oily smoke when it starts in the morning, especially when it's cold. (Yeah, that's probably not unexpected on a car with so many miles...) It's had a noisy front wheel bearing for about 100,000 miles (especially when turning left at low speeds). It's pretty noisy (inside) on the highway now, partly due to that bearing, but also due to what seems to be an exhaust leak near the cylinder head. It's not pleasant on long trips. :-( It's needed about 4 alternators, but that may be a reflection of the quality of the Delco alternators it used rather than Toyota itself. It has a Nippon Denso in it now and that seems fine. Otherwise, it's been standard maintenance stuff. The clutch was replaced at about 125k (~ $1000, by our local independent shop), the brakes were redone all around around the same time (~ $800, ditto - ouch), it's got a recent radiator, has had about 3 batteries, about 3 sets of tires, and some exhaust work. It's never had the cylinder head off. Early on it was exclusively serviced by the dealer. Until one day she took it in for an oil change and they got grease all over the interior, and (we found out later), put the wrong fluid in the master and slave clutch cylinders. The car was hard to shift after that oil change, but we thought little of it. Her sister took it on a trip to New Hampshire where it became impossible to shift. The shop figured out the problem and fixed it (she was eventually reimbursed by the dealer down here), but it caused some consternation. It's been a pretty good car, but it hasn't been the bullet-proof thing I was expected based on Toyota's reputation. The dealer repair experience was less than stellar, to put it mildly. kbb.com lists its "private party" value as $1810 ("good" condition). I don't know if I'd pay that much for it, but luckily I don't have to think about it. :-) She's in love with the idea of driving it until something major fails and getting more than 200,000 miles out of it (that would be another 3-4 years at our present driving rate), but I don't know. It's going to need tires again in a year or so, and I don't know if it's worth spending $450 or so for Michelins for it. She wants to get a Prius if/when we replace it. The more I read about them, the less I like them, but we'll see. She can be pretty persuasive. ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #210,005 by Ashton 6/6/05 5:46:45 AM Reply	Re: Depends. It's had a noisy front wheel bearing for about 100,000 miles (especially when turning left at low speeds). It's pretty noisy (inside) on the highway now, partly due to that bearing, but also due to what seems to be an exhaust leak near the cylinder head. It's not pleasant on long trips. :-( Ummm .. you seem to know about cars - also chem engr - right? Any recollection of what happens when a wheel bearing gets Brinneled to the point of fragmenting; in one swell foop? (And since it's turn-sensitive - this sounds like the RH one. At 173K, I'd replace both. Soon. I've also known a fair number of auto engr. Wizards, who regularly concur re such a bearing noise, as the topic comes up frequently. FWIW.) Of course, I can't assess the dB level from your comment, but the pattern is -- from seconds to .. a few minutes of LOUDER -- and then - denouement. Nobody knows how to 'predict', though, even for a given car model / WB design. I have a horror story re {My Car\ufffd} model (FWD) and an ignored FWBrg, last year; well, it would have been a Horror Story, had it not beneficently waited til he got off the freeway after lengthy 80 mph cruise.. within 3 blocks of home. That's when the housing cracked, wheel fell close-enough-to ~off. I saw the pix of the destruction.. it had been Cherry :( Luck, Ashton
Post #210,009 by pwhysall 6/6/05 7:01:40 AM Reply	Werd. Change the wheel bearing before the wheel decides to let you know that it's faulty by falling off. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,085 by Steve Lowe 6/6/05 4:33:22 PM Reply	Sure it's a wheel bearing? That type of noise can be associated with CV joint problems, especially if it worsens while turning. -- Steve
Post #210,090 by Ashton 6/6/05 5:02:47 PM Reply	Seconded.. though usually.. those 'click' not whine (?) Describing noises, esp automotive ones -- is an art most honored in its omission {sigh}. Can also be amusing as hell. (I've actually read ~ "Hey there's this noise from the front somewhere, kinda a whine. What could it be?") But I've also read some creative similes - one of which produced an exact diagnosis: ie Werds Werk reel Gud, if'n ya Tries. :-)
Post #210,091 by pwhysall 6/6/05 5:07:26 PM Reply	Most interesting... ...was the noise emitted under braking by the front offside wheel of SWMBO's old Matiz. It was as if there was a metal ring around the axle that spun with the axle under normal driving, but continued to spin at full speed as the vehicle slowed. We never did get to the bottom of that one. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,204 by CRConrad 6/7/05 7:43:22 AM Reply	Can't you weird Brit-peeples say "left" and "right"? ...the front offside wheel... What, had it committed a zone error on the football (or ice hockey) field?!? One so wishes you people would catch up at least with the _twentieth_ century, and quit that stupid "nearside, offside" gibberish! ("Near" what, exactly? "Off" what, and do we care a fig?) There are a pair of eminently simple, clear and unambiguous words to tell which side a wheel is on: "Left" and "right". You're quite free to use them, without any royalty fees to pay or anything. HTH! (Please don't think I'm annoyed because I don't know what you're talking about: I'm fairly sure this is horse terminology, just extended waaay past its useful life. I'm annoyed because you lot are still gibbering on in Horseish, whereas the rest of the world has left all that shit behind ages ago. Or, you want I should gibber Norse longboat terminology at you?) [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #210,206 by pwhysall 6/7/05 8:13:52 AM Reply	Dear CRC Foff, you nit-picking excessively-anal Scandalahoovian. Love, Peter. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,273 by bionerd 6/7/05 2:31:43 PM Reply	I bet he has a really clean house!
Post #210,399 by CRConrad 6/8/05 7:49:41 AM Reply	Oh, bullcrap. So, silly vego-person, can you... ...can you tell us whether PeeWee was talking about the left or the right front wheel of his SO's car, some time when you're not too busy spouting cheapo-psych theories about the cleanliness or absence thereof() of my "house"(+)? If not, then maybe you should think again about whom exactly you should be so eagerly agreeing with, here. HTH! (): Hint 1: We have a teenager and two-year-old. (+): Hint 2: Not all people can afford to live in houses of their own. When you rent just a bit of a big one, it's called a "flat" or an "apartment". [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #210,401 by Another Scott 6/8/05 8:04:18 AM Reply	You need to turn up your humor detector. :-)
Post #210,402 by pwhysall 6/8/05 8:06:21 AM Reply	Stop being a knobhead, CRC. I'd never thought I'd see YOU being thin-skinned. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,406 by boxley 6/8/05 8:23:26 AM Reply	He's not he is being CRC so leave him be All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #210,407 by CRConrad 6/8/05 8:27:14 AM Reply	You first, PeeWee. I don't think I was "being thin-skinned" either. I just got a bit annoyed at mz Johnette-come-lately for mindlessly hacking away at the same (silly, stupid, and eternally annoying) "anal"-bullshit kerb that you, mr über-knobhead, had started. How fucking "funny" is that, really? Was anybody writhing on the floor from laughter at it? If so, I'd suggest it is they (these hypothetical writhers-on-the-floor), not I, who suffer from a humour deficiency(). Now as for you, my psychoanal(+)ytically inclined young Kemosabe, you'll stop being a knobhead in my book when you edit your post to use modern English in stead of feudal-era horsie-talk. Until then, I feel you* have no call to ask me to start or stop being anything. HTH! (): Yes, Scott DK, that's you I'm talking about. (+): Hnyuk, hnyuk, he said "anal"! [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad]* (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #210,408 by pwhysall 6/8/05 8:34:03 AM 6/8/05 8:34:27 AM Reply	Oh, give it a rest, ffs. You started this with your mindless anal wanking on about "nearside/offside". It's common parlance over here (and elsewhere). In other words, it's not "feudal horsie talk", it's normal usage, which is why I used it. Duh. You could have simply said "eh? offside? Wossat?", but instead you started babbling on about football and hockey: What, had it committed a zone error on the football (or ice hockey) field?!? One so wishes you people would catch up at least with the _twentieth_ century, and quit that stupid "nearside, offside" gibberish! ("Near" what, exactly? "Off" what, and do we care a fig?) There are a pair of eminently simple, clear and unambiguous words to tell which side a wheel is on: "Left" and "right". You're quite free to use them, without any royalty fees to pay or anything. HTH! Anyway, what's a "zone error" on a football "field"? Please take care to use the appropriate terminology when attempting to be sarcastically funny. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! Edited by pwhysall June 8, 2005, 08:34:27 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #210,415 by CRConrad 6/8/05 9:10:40 AM Reply	Any time. Any time after you, that is. PeeWee squirms: You started this with your mindless anal wanking on about "nearside/offside". No, you started it, by using such silly unintelligible terms. Or, if you wish, you started it by dredging up that utterly worn-out, stupid, annoying old "anal" hobby-horse that sloppy fuckwits always resort to as a "defense" of their sloppiness. You're still using it above here, I see, BTW. It's common parlance over here (and elsewhere). In other words, it's not "feudal horsie talk", it's normal usage, which is why I used it. Duh. OK, when you're posting on the UK-StraliaNet, feel free to talk whatever variant of horsie-talk you want. But when you're posting here on the INTER-national INTER-net, please don't try to claim that your weird backwaters-of-a-dead-Empire dialect is "normal" usage, 'coz it sure as fuck ain't. You could have simply said "eh? offside? Wossat?", And that, my blind young friend, was actually what I was doing. but instead you started babbling on about football and hockey: What, had it committed a zone error on the football (or ice hockey) field?!? [SNIP: Excessive quotage] Anyway, what's a "zone error" on a football "field"? Please take care to use the appropriate terminology when attempting to be sarcastically funny. On the contrary, Grasshopper, I used the exact correct kind of terminology for my purposes here. When I'm asking (as you correctly surmised, hopefully in a "sarcastically funny" way), "Are you using that term in the technical sense of '...' as we laymen would call it?", I better be careful NOT to use too technically-"appropriate terminology" in my own rephrasing, or the effect is spoiled for all non-aficionados of the subject at hand. HTH! [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #210,419 by pwhysall 6/8/05 9:39:56 AM Reply	Re: Any time. You're being an utter dick. I'm not going to dignify that load of retro-justificational twattery with a response. Oh. I just did. Bollocks. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,422 by CRConrad 6/8/05 9:46:19 AM Reply	AKA "I don't have any real answer". OK, noted.
Post #210,431 by bepatient 6/8/05 10:33:49 AM Reply	Yellow flag thrown! Offsetting penalties. First on Peter for thinking that everyone would understand what "offside wheel" would mean (even though I do believe CRC >did<, in fact, understand it) and I certainly figured it out from context within under a second. Offset by CRC demanding it be changed because, for lack of a better argument, we should all speak properly because we're on the Internet. Replay the down! If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #210,446 by rcareaga 6/8/05 11:25:01 AM Reply	Bonus points awarded ...to pwhysall for introducing the term "front offside wheel," archaic though this might sound to colonial and continental ears. English will be a poorer, more sterile mindspace as these idioms die off. Points as well to CRC (who is merely restless, I think, and having at physwall reflexively as a grizzly will sharpen its claws upon the bark of a fir) for characteristically entertaining cussedness, and particularly for please don't try to claim that your weird backwaters-of-a-dead-Empire dialect is "normal" usage, which I expect to see in due course in six-point Verdana at the foot of my screen. We now return you to our normal programming. cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #210,532 by pwhysall 6/8/05 5:56:04 PM Reply	Having at WHOM? Who is this physwall character? I'm used to some fairly egregious spellings of my surname ("Wyzel" was a good one, as was "Wisul"), but they at least SOUND the same... :-p Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,580 by rcareaga 6/9/05 12:05:06 AM Reply	I stand corrected Many a slip 'twixt fingertip and key caps. This was three of 'em. cradolily, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #210,453 by drewk 6/8/05 12:20:09 PM Reply	Oh, and by the way ... Does it really make a nit's worth of difference which wheel it was? I mean really, we're describing -- in print -- the machanical sound once made by a car the current writer's SWMBO no longer owns; a sound they never identified the cause of; a sound which most likely had nothing to do with which side it was on anyway. So like, WTF? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #210,466 by boxley 6/8/05 12:37:29 PM Reply	ICLRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #210465 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=210465\|ICLRPD] All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #210,435 by admin 6/8/05 10:52:36 AM Reply	No, no, no. It's "berk", not "dick. Get it straight, you imperialist baboon. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #210,438 by folkert 6/8/05 11:03:42 AM Reply	ROFL! I am sorry, you guys are JUST too much! -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [image\|http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg\|\|\|\|]
Post #210,464 by mmoffitt 6/8/05 12:35:35 PM Reply	And there we are. Ladies and Gentlemen, the once and future king, Christian R Conrad. bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. God Bless America.
Post #210,487 by ben_tilly 6/8/05 2:01:53 PM Reply	Normal usage? Not here. Never heard it in my life. I have no idea which is which. When you say near, do you mean near to the driver who is usually in the car, or near to something else? Let's see if I can figure it out. I checked with [link\|http://dictionary.reference.com/\|http://dictionary.reference.com/]. They have an entry for nearside, but not what you're using offside for. Their entry for nearside says the side of the vehicle nearest to the kerb. (Their spelling, not mine. Note that it is the opposite of what I would have guessed, but there were even odds of that.) Here that would be the right-hand side. You guys drive on the other side of the street, so you probably mean the left-hand side. I have no idea whether you'll mean left or right if you use those phrases in the USA. Suppose you do use left, just to be consistent. Note that we have one-way streets where there are curbs on both sides. (We also have streets where people park in the middle or on the side, but ignore that detail.) If you use the word "nearside" while driving down one of those streets, I'll have no idea what you mean. The moral is that when talking with Americans, the only reason that you should say "nearside" or "offside" is that you want to enjoy the experience of not communicating. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #210,491 by CRConrad 6/8/05 2:21:01 PM Reply	ICLRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #210490 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=210490\|ICLRPD] [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #210,502 by admin 6/8/05 3:14:33 PM Reply	So I guess... ... I should insist that Southerners stop speaking with an accent when I'm talking to them, since obviously they're just trying not to communicate with me? After all, "y'all" isn't my normal usage, therefore they should accomodate me as their audience. How terribly provincial of you. 1) I guessed offside meaning passenger side as I read it. As it turns out, I was correct. - but - 2) Who gives a rat's ass, other than the pathologically anal folk out there? The true moral is that when speaking with Americans, you would expect to occasionally get questions as to your terminology. Not lectures about making sure you choose your colloquialisms for someone else. The only question remaining is how do we measure the collective pole-up-the-ass you and Christian are sharing on this one... meters or yards? Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #210,504 by drewk 6/8/05 3:16:47 PM Reply	Furlongs === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #210,509 by pwhysall 6/8/05 3:29:43 PM Reply	no. It is clearly one rod, pole or perch[link\|http://home.clara.net/brianp/lengths.html\|.] Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,506 by Another Scott 6/8/05 3:23:04 PM Reply	You're risking a barrage of Norse longboat vituperation. ;) Hey, it's sort of interesting. What else are we going to talk about today, eh? [link\|http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8136908\|Shall we grab a taxi?] Cheers, Scott.
Post #210,508 by admin 6/8/05 3:28:23 PM Reply	Keeps the LRPDs coming, dunnit? Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #210,511 by boxley 6/8/05 3:38:51 PM Reply	thats knot a good measurement All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #210,526 by ben_tilly 6/8/05 5:17:34 PM Reply	Um, actually, I think that your guess was backwards At least if I understood the dictionary definition right. When I park, the passenger is on the side with the curb, so that's nearside. The offside is the one that the driver is on. (Peter will correct me if I have that backwards, which event I presently give perhaps 30% odds of.) As for who cares, perhaps nobody but it doesn't really matter to me. I'm not telling Peter what to do, I'm just giving him a data point on who will and will not understand those terms. He can do anything that he wants with that data point. A few of the options include taking it into consideration in the future, intentionally confusing people next time, using it to mock visiting tourists, or forget about it. Do you have me confused with CRConrad? Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #210,527 by pwhysall 6/8/05 5:25:42 PM Reply	I had it backwards, actually. Nearside is passenger-side, which is the left-hand-side of the vehicle. So your nearside is my offside. Or something. It's still very widely used over here, and not just in speech; you can go to any of a squillion car parts websites and buy offside doors and panels, and nearside arches and sideskirts. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,531 by boxley 6/8/05 5:51:31 PM Reply	what no fenders or wheel wells hood or trunk? All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #210,533 by admin 6/8/05 5:57:10 PM Reply	Confused? No. Very similar, yes. Except that sometimes CRC is joking. And as Peter mentioned, he told me which was which incorrectly before I posted. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #210,539 by CRConrad 6/8/05 6:28:51 PM Reply	Kind of invalidates your parallel, doesn't it though? I mean, even if "y'all" isn't your own usage, it's eminently understandable, being an obvious contraction of "you" and "all". So, do you still think that I (and Ben) "have a rod up my (our) backside(s)" for thinking Peter's terminology is less than perfectly effective in communication... When even he can't get it right? [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #210,540 by admin 6/8/05 6:30:11 PM Reply	It's called "hyperbole". HTH! Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #210,586 by CRConrad 6/9/05 3:35:09 AM Reply	OK, that's another word for it. Thanks! Thanks for admitting that objections to my point work only as hyperbole, not to be taken seriously. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #210,601 by admin 6/9/05 8:15:55 AM Reply	Whatever gets you through the day. True examples are hard to find, obviously, because by definition I don't know the words I won't know. I've run across it in the past, however, with regional differences in the US. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #210,608 by CRConrad 6/9/05 9:37:02 AM Reply	I think you're forgetting the most salient detail here... AdminiScott writes: True examples are hard to find, obviously, because by definition I don't know the words I won't know. Sure, you don't know yet what words that you don't know you'll come across in the future. But this ("offside", that is -- not "y'all") was aparently not just an example of you, the recipient, not getting it right. I've run across it in the past, however, with regional differences in the US. What -- you've really come across cases where someone uses regional-dialect expressions that even they, the speaker, don't get right, often enough for it to be worth mentioning here? And, to get back to the point: If you really have encountered that, are you seriously claiming that you didn't think that was "excessive" use of regional dialect (in the sense of hindering communication with out-of-regionals like you)? I find it hard to believe that you really think the onus was on you to understand something that even the person who was saying it didn't understand. Is that really how you feel? [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #210,614 by admin 6/9/05 10:05:27 AM Reply	Ha, nice try. You were bitching about this looooong before Peter realized he wasn't saying it correctly. Thanks for playing, drive through. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #210,659 by CRConrad 6/9/05 2:55:56 PM Reply	Not even a "nice try" from you, though. Too obvious a try at obfuscating the whole point of _this sub-sub-thread_: That your contention that it wasn't confusing was wrong, and that the fact that this was due to Peter himself getting it wrong rather proves my point, not yours. And I could hardly have been "bitching" about that before you started the SST, which is so bleeding obvious that it makes your try not-even-nice. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #210,673 by admin 6/9/05 4:14:30 PM Reply	Sorry, not my conversation, yours. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #210,757 by CRConrad 6/10/05 2:38:21 AM Reply	Ha ha, very funny. But, hey, if you're granting... ...me "ownership" of the whole conversation, then your behaviour above only becomes all the more egregious: In the future, don't be such an arsehole as to try to retroactively redefine what it's been about, mmkay? That sucks bad enough even if you're an equal "part-owner" of a conversation. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #210,781 by admin 6/10/05 8:20:31 AM 6/10/05 8:22:40 AM Reply	No, you mistake my meaning. The supposed "sub-sub-thread" about "That your contention that it wasn't confusing" is your conversation, not mine. In other words, I'm not involved in your "Peter was wrong himself, therefore I was right" construct, which was invented far after the fact to justify your original post -- regardless of your attempt to hijack my meaning. And now I'm done with this completely, now that you've finished your descent into casuistry. HTH! Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..." Edited by admin June 10, 2005, 08:22:40 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #210,428 by bionerd 6/8/05 9:56:51 AM Reply	Yeah, actually I did understand what Peter was talking about Not exactly difficult. If anyone is an anal perfectionist it's me. And I dont care. So there.
Post #210,436 by admin 6/8/05 10:53:33 AM Reply	... No comment. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #210,439 by pwhysall 6/8/05 11:04:04 AM Reply	You keep coming back to that. So to speak. gd&r Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,440 by folkert 6/8/05 11:05:07 AM Reply	Errrrmh, <cough>... ummm I am reminded of a post I made some time recently. But I shall not repeat it. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [image\|http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg\|\|\|\|]
Post #210,449 by bionerd 6/8/05 11:51:16 AM Reply	Oh, you're all just basking in your cleverness, arent you?
Post #210,450 by Nightowl 6/8/05 11:58:10 AM Reply	They're sure basking in something! I got lost somewhere between the Offside wheel and the Starboard side! Brenda Thank God for sleep. And when you can't sleep, still thank Him you live to lie awake. :)
Post #210,484 by CRConrad 6/8/05 1:44:30 PM Reply	Had I seen it in time, I too would have been sorely tempted.
Post #210,534 by boxley 6/8/05 6:13:30 PM 6/8/05 6:28:39 PM Reply	poor fellas cant tell the difference between an adjective and their desires "I am an anal perfectioninst" is a description of a personality "I have perfected anal" is not. (thank you Peter) thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] Edited by boxley June 8, 2005, 06:28:39 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #210,535 by pwhysall 6/8/05 6:13:58 PM Reply	If you've got... ...a perected anal, then you should see a doctor. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,485 by CRConrad 6/8/05 1:47:38 PM Reply	OK,w/ that admission you can to call me (or NE1) one too! :)
Post #210,216 by drewk 6/7/05 9:26:31 AM Reply	Oh absolutely gibber the Norse longboat terminology at us === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #210,218 by pwhysall 6/7/05 9:49:41 AM Reply	ICLFRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #210217 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=210217\|ICLFRPD] Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #210,264 by tuberculosis 6/7/05 1:55:19 PM 8/21/07 6:13:18 AM Reply	Uh, that would be Larboard/Starboard, Lubber Boy "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis June 7, 2005, 01:56:00 PM EDT Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:13:18 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #210,269 by boxley 6/7/05 2:14:07 PM Reply	nope havn/styrbord larboard is the same All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #210,280 by tuberculosis 6/7/05 2:45:27 PM 8/21/07 6:13:39 AM Reply	Not so [link\|http://www.bargain-resource.com/NT1.htm\|http://www.bargain-resource.com/NT1.htm] Larboard The left, or port, side of any craft when facing the bow. Perhaps derived from the 13th century English word laddebord, or loading side; some suggest it goes all the way back to the Norse word hlada bord of the same meaning. Note that the loading/larboard side is now called the "port" side. Good rule since its bloody hard to tell the difference between "Larboard" and "Starboard" when shouting through the wind. Starboard The right side of any craft when facing the bow. Before the advent of the stern rudder, vessels had their steering oars on the right, or steering board, or starboard side. I'm pretty sure my spelling of these terms is all to hell since they are mostly phonetic spellings of what were generally oral terms (example - Forecastle is also known/spelled/pronounce "Foc'sle" - seen it spelled lots of ways but its still that area in the bow under the deck where the crew bunks). "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:13:39 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #210,274 by ben_tilly 6/7/05 2:33:16 PM Reply	Doubly so when they drive on the wrong side of the road I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #210,131 by Another Scott 6/6/05 9:07:15 PM Reply	It seems like a wheel bearing. As Ashton said, it's my understanding that CV joints make more of a clicking noise. This BMW site call it a [link\|http://www.autohausaz.com/bmw-auto-parts/bmw-noises.html\|hum] when a wheel bearing is going bad. I wouldn't use that word, but it's close. The noise is noticable when turning at low speeds, like turning into a driveway. That puts more stress on the bearing than driving straight. I too have heard horror stories about bad wheel bearings causing wheels to fall off, etc. I don't think this is anything like that bad - it's just annoying. If it were a RWD car, changing the bearing would be trivial. But since it's a FWD car, one has to remove the lower control arms (disconnecting various ball joints, etc.) to get at the bearing. :-( Coupled with the difficulty in being sure that that's the problem, we've been hoping that it'll just not get any worse. It has literally been at least 100,000 miles with this noise. I probably should try to get it checked out one of these days... Cheers, Scott.
Post #210,961 by Another Scott 6/11/05 8:06:48 PM Reply	The wheel bearing's fine. Needs a rear McPherson strut. (new thread) Created as new thread #210960 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=210960\|The wheel bearing's fine. Needs a rear McPherson strut.]

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