Post #199,964
3/22/05 3:27:51 PM
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I don't blame him for moving on.
But he should have had at least the decency to divorce her first.
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
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Post #199,968
3/22/05 3:34:03 PM
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What if he's Catholic?
What if he thinks that his wife never wanted to have and would have hated the thought of her twilight existence, and that divorcing here would mean leaving care decisions to her parents, dooming her to it for as long as they could come up with the dough?
Perhaps his efforts on getting the plug pulled are actually motivated by his love for his wife, regardless of the fact that fifteen years' worth of water has passed under the bridge since she died in all the ways that matter.
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Post #199,969
3/22/05 3:35:13 PM
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'Till death do you part...
No need for a divorce. You won't agree of course. That's fine.
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Post #200,068
3/23/05 8:17:10 AM
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PVS != Dead.
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
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Post #200,084
3/23/05 8:50:08 AM
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No squash == dead
Once the higher brain is gone, so is the person. The body is just meat, not a person. Ruin the body and preserve the brain and you still have a person (Steven Hawking comes to mind.) Kill the brain, the person is no longer. Neither is the marriage.
Again, I don't expect you to agree with me.
That's OK too, as long as I don't have to live by your expectations of humanity.
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Post #200,086
3/23/05 9:04:16 AM
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Nobody but me does, unfortunately ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
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Post #200,087
3/23/05 9:11:43 AM
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when everybody else is consistantly wrong,
and only you are right, it may be time to reconsider your position.
If you always have to think outside the box, it may be time to fix the box...
or not... sometimes one person is right and everybody else is wrong.
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Post #200,199
3/23/05 6:42:18 PM
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hey none of that!
All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett
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Post #200,019
3/22/05 9:26:32 PM
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Decency?
She died. Divorce implies an unsuccessful marriage - a release from vows - a loss of faith. He has been beyond faithful - rather than take the easy way out he has shown amazing devotion. He is enduring tremendous hardship to carry out her wishes.
That's real love, that is.
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"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
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Post #200,020
3/22/05 9:27:15 PM
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agreed
All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett
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Post #200,023
3/22/05 9:33:12 PM
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Can we also agree ... (new thread)
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Post #200,065
3/23/05 8:13:09 AM
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Right, like the $300,000 he took.
GMAFB. She wasn't dead when he left her. She will be shortly.
And I'll bet he constantly harped on her about being fat, too.
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
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Post #200,070
3/23/05 8:22:48 AM
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well she was a puker, finally getting her wish
all those years he visited, laughing and gloating at her, poking her with stick, yeah, thats the ticket that will get this overturned. Whatever it takes to attack someone whose actions you dont like. Politics of personaldestruction eh what?
thanx,
bill
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Post #200,075
3/23/05 8:30:41 AM
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Don't need to make stuff up.
He knocked up one woman (twice!) while married to another. Call me a puritan, but that's just plain old wrong. And much as many here would like it to be, permanent vegetative state and dead are not the same thing.
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
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Post #200,077
3/23/05 8:33:25 AM
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The body isn't dead
The person is.
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Post #200,088
3/23/05 9:18:55 AM
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A long time ago, ...
I was an orderly at a hospital in rural NC. We had a 37 year old male patient come in with a massive stroke. He was unresponsive, but breathing. This was back before HMO's, so he stayed on at the hospital for roughly a year. The whole time, unresponsive. He was breathing, but he was a turn every two hours, feeding tube, etc. patient. His wife visited frequently. Then, iirc almost a year after his admission she came in and sat with him for about 30 minutes. She left crying. After she left, the patient rose up in his bed briefly and then moaned horribly. Later I found out that his wife came to tell him she'd met some one else. We were encouraged by his movement because this is the first time any of us had seen him move and I'd been shaving him every day for almost a year. (Most of the time his pupils didn't respond to light stimulus). He eventually got to the point where he could move his head and shoulders as well as swallow, so we could feed him with a spoon. He was discharged to a nursing home. I still remember this guy 25 years later. I know his name and I'll never forget his reaction after his wife left.
I, like the rest of the medical staff, would have bet the ranch that he would never make any sort of recovery - the damage to his brain was extensive because of the stroke. But he recovered enough to respond to people, eat and he did regain some movement. It wasn't much of a life, but he was still alive.
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
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Post #200,093
3/23/05 9:32:21 AM
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There's a slight difference
Your patient "recovered enough to respond to people, eat and he did regain some movement". From what I've read, Terry won't.
I agree with you. I believe that letting her starve is wrong. But there should be some alternative. If her parents wish to keep her alive with feeding, they should be granted that permission.
I also agree with your assessment of her husband. Since he "gave up custody" to the courts, he should have divorced her, especially if he decided to establish a relationship with another woman.
There's no easy answer. I disagree with both extremes... save her at any cost and let her starve. I also think that Congress & Bush made a mistake in passing a bill specifically for one individual.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #200,108
3/23/05 10:27:38 AM
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I don't think we disagree at all.
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
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Post #200,101
3/23/05 9:57:09 AM
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Another Christian view
From the StarTribune.
[link|http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5307756.html|God is merciful enough to offer life beyond feeding tubes]
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #200,140
3/23/05 2:00:16 PM
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Year? Because she died in 1990. (new thread)
Created as new thread #200139 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=200139|Year? Because she died in 1990.]
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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