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Post #196,929 by bionerd 3/2/05 3:12:10 PM Reply	That was a terrible experience No one should have to go through something like that. It's hell on the patient and the family. "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
Post #196,931 by tuberculosis 3/2/05 4:03:39 PM 8/21/07 5:46:22 AM Reply	Yes it was "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 05:46:22 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #196,940 by tuberculosis 3/2/05 6:06:05 PM 8/21/07 5:46:49 AM Reply	This is timely (new thread) Created as new thread #196939 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=196939\|This is timely] "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 05:46:49 AM EDT Expand All History

The Schiavo train wreck continues - (Another Scott) - (146) - March 1, 2005, 08:27:34 PM EST

time for a compassionate pillow -NT - (boxley) - (1) - March 1, 2005, 09:15:45 PM EST

...placed over the faces of her parents... -NT - (jb4) - March 2, 2005, 01:40:53 PM EST

I hate to say it.... - (Simon_Jester) - (10) - March 1, 2005, 11:56:46 PM EST

I thinkthe money ran out 2 years ago -NT - (boxley) - (2) - March 2, 2005, 06:53:37 AM EST

The Terri Schiavo Foundation -- quotes... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - March 2, 2005, 08:37:35 AM EST

facts he got 1 million, 700k for treatment 300k to him - (boxley) - March 18, 2005, 11:41:03 PM EST

Follow-up... - (Simon_Jester) - (6) - March 30, 2005, 04:28:01 PM EST

You're selling yourself off cheap! :) - (a6l6e6x) - March 30, 2005, 04:38:04 PM EST

it been about the circus for a while - (boxley) - March 30, 2005, 07:57:33 PM EST

Wow. Decency is in short supply here... -NT - (Arkadiy) - (2) - March 31, 2005, 09:15:09 AM EST

:| Have you seen "O Brother, Where Art Thou"? - (jake123) - March 31, 2005, 09:24:12 AM EST

Whoops...sorry.... - (Simon_Jester) - April 1, 2005, 12:14:43 PM EST

Schindler's List II -- there's gold in them thar bills! -NT - (GBert) - March 31, 2005, 12:23:47 PM EST

I think the whole thing is just sad - (Nightowl) - (11) - March 2, 2005, 10:59:54 AM EST

Reason enough to have a living will. -NT - (jbrabeck) - (10) - March 2, 2005, 01:12:46 PM EST

They don't help as much as you think - (tuberculosis) - (9) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:46:02 AM EDT

I've heard other such stories. - (jbrabeck) - (5) - March 2, 2005, 01:32:04 PM EST

No, the living will didn't enter into it at all - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:46:16 AM EDT

That was a terrible experience - (bionerd) - (2) - March 2, 2005, 03:12:10 PM EST

Yes it was -NT - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:46:22 AM EDT

This is timely (new thread) - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:46:49 AM EDT

Man, that's tough... - (jb4) - March 2, 2005, 04:12:45 PM EST

Re: They don't help as much as you think - (pwhysall) - March 2, 2005, 05:12:12 PM EST

One possible way to get around that - (Nightowl) - (1) - March 3, 2005, 12:34:37 AM EST

One minor bit of info - (Simon_Jester) - March 3, 2005, 09:47:59 AM EST

Yet more grandstanding. - (Another Scott) - (1) - March 18, 2005, 10:37:04 PM EST

And more to come.... - (Simon_Jester) - March 18, 2005, 11:36:03 PM EST

if she was a dog - (boxley) - March 18, 2005, 11:46:26 PM EST

Letter to my Congressman. - (Another Scott) - (3) - March 19, 2005, 08:30:41 AM EST

Well said -NT - (Silverlock) - March 19, 2005, 11:34:13 AM EST

This government is pro-torture on every front -NT - (tuberculosis) - March 19, 2005, 01:41:43 PM EST

Two ears and a tail. -NT - (Ashton) - March 20, 2005, 01:18:29 AM EST

Is there a better example anywhere ... - (mmoffitt) - (96) - March 19, 2005, 01:04:13 PM EST

Points up the need for legal euthanasia - (tuberculosis) - (4) - March 19, 2005, 01:44:48 PM EST

Would training be necessary? The intent is to kill her, yes? - (mmoffitt) - (3) - March 19, 2005, 02:27:26 PM EST

Not kill, let her go - she's already dead. - (tuberculosis) - March 19, 2005, 03:49:23 PM EST

Re: Would training be necessary? The intent is to kill her, - (Ashton) - (1) - March 20, 2005, 01:42:33 AM EST

It does have at least something to do with MD's... - (mmoffitt) - March 21, 2005, 09:12:45 AM EST

She's effectively been dead since 2/25/1990. - (Another Scott) - (90) - March 19, 2005, 05:12:06 PM EST

What you said. -NT - (pwhysall) - March 20, 2005, 09:15:10 AM EST

I don't think its "so clear". - (mmoffitt) - (88) - March 21, 2005, 09:14:51 AM EST

Read the trial record on FindLaw and AbstractAppeal. - (Another Scott) - (87) - March 21, 2005, 10:00:19 AM EST

Facts are facts. - (mmoffitt) - (86) - March 21, 2005, 10:58:58 AM EST

Amazingly enough, I find myself on the same side as you - (Arkadiy) - March 21, 2005, 11:58:06 AM EST

She won't recover... - (pwhysall) - (84) - March 21, 2005, 12:11:55 PM EST

Can you point me at an article that describes - (Arkadiy) - (71) - March 21, 2005, 12:25:48 PM EST

Re: Can you point me at an article that describes - (pwhysall) - (69) - March 21, 2005, 01:44:55 PM EST

Oh, that's different then. - (mmoffitt) - (68) - March 21, 2005, 01:57:39 PM EST

Please read Abstract Appeal. - (Another Scott) - (67) - March 21, 2005, 02:01:28 PM EST

And my question still stands. - (mmoffitt) - (66) - March 21, 2005, 02:04:11 PM EST

Parents don't own their grown children. -NT - (Another Scott) - (61) - March 21, 2005, 02:07:23 PM EST

They don't "own" wee ones either ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (60) - March 21, 2005, 03:52:46 PM EST

No, but they are legally responsible unless they're over 18. - (Another Scott) - (59) - March 21, 2005, 03:56:47 PM EST

Except that we depend upon hearsay for that. - (mmoffitt) - (58) - March 21, 2005, 04:01:53 PM EST

There was Clear and Convincing proof according to the courts -NT - (Another Scott) - (57) - March 21, 2005, 04:18:02 PM EST

I'm lazy. Link where she in her own hand .... - (mmoffitt) - (56) - March 21, 2005, 04:31:36 PM EST

Oh, for goodness' sake. - (pwhysall) - (51) - March 21, 2005, 04:40:58 PM EST

Huh? - (mmoffitt) - (50) - March 21, 2005, 04:57:22 PM EST

On what ethical basis do you want the family to decide? - (pwhysall) - (40) - March 21, 2005, 05:00:40 PM EST

According to your own words, Terri has no feelings - (Arkadiy) - (39) - March 21, 2005, 05:07:34 PM EST

Distinguish between "feeling" and "feelings" - (pwhysall) - March 21, 2005, 05:14:23 PM EST

I disagree. - (Another Scott) - (37) - March 21, 2005, 05:14:39 PM EST

"Stated her wishes" completely overblown. - (mmoffitt) - (36) - March 22, 2005, 08:43:00 AM EST

Your objections ignore her wishes. - (Another Scott) - (33) - March 22, 2005, 08:51:56 AM EST

I don't know what her wishes are. - (mmoffitt) - (32) - March 22, 2005, 08:58:23 AM EST

One more time. - (Another Scott) - (5) - March 22, 2005, 10:26:40 AM EST

You know what insanity is, right? - (mmoffitt) - (4) - March 22, 2005, 10:44:40 AM EST

Yeah. - (Another Scott) - (3) - March 22, 2005, 11:07:40 AM EST

Wait for the movie rights. ;0) - (mmoffitt) - (2) - March 22, 2005, 11:45:54 AM EST

Ha! - (Another Scott) - (1) - March 22, 2005, 11:54:47 AM EST

:-) -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 22, 2005, 11:57:19 AM EST

Exactly - (jake123) - (25) - March 22, 2005, 01:21:41 PM EST

Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. - (mmoffitt) - (24) - March 22, 2005, 01:44:25 PM EST

Concur - (jbrabeck) - (23) - March 22, 2005, 01:51:05 PM EST

well, there's the problem - (jake123) - (20) - March 22, 2005, 02:09:26 PM EST

I don't blame him for moving on. - (mmoffitt) - (19) - March 22, 2005, 03:27:51 PM EST

What if he's Catholic? - (jake123) - March 22, 2005, 03:34:03 PM EST

'Till death do you part... - (hnick) - (5) - March 22, 2005, 03:35:13 PM EST

PVS != Dead. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4) - March 23, 2005, 08:17:10 AM EST

No squash == dead - (hnick) - (3) - March 23, 2005, 08:50:08 AM EST

Nobody but me does, unfortunately ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2) - March 23, 2005, 09:04:16 AM EST

when everybody else is consistantly wrong, - (hnick) - (1) - March 23, 2005, 09:11:43 AM EST

hey none of that! -NT - (boxley) - March 23, 2005, 06:42:18 PM EST

Decency? - (tuberculosis) - (11) - March 22, 2005, 09:26:32 PM EST

agreed -NT - (boxley) - (1) - March 22, 2005, 09:27:15 PM EST

Can we also agree ... (new thread) - (drewk) - March 22, 2005, 09:33:12 PM EST

Right, like the $300,000 he took. - (mmoffitt) - (8) - March 23, 2005, 08:13:09 AM EST

well she was a puker, finally getting her wish - (boxley) - (7) - March 23, 2005, 08:22:48 AM EST

Don't need to make stuff up. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - March 23, 2005, 08:30:41 AM EST

The body isn't dead - (Silverlock) - (4) - March 23, 2005, 08:33:25 AM EST

A long time ago, ... - (mmoffitt) - (3) - March 23, 2005, 09:18:55 AM EST

There's a slight difference - (jbrabeck) - (1) - March 23, 2005, 09:32:21 AM EST

I don't think we disagree at all. -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 23, 2005, 10:27:38 AM EST

Another Christian view - (jbrabeck) - March 23, 2005, 09:57:09 AM EST

Year? Because she died in 1990. (new thread) - (tuberculosis) - March 23, 2005, 02:00:16 PM EST

Trouble is, there's no legal way to do that. - (Another Scott) - (1) - March 22, 2005, 09:58:48 PM EST

It'd be interesting to see if that option were available ... - (mmoffitt) - March 22, 2005, 03:31:15 PM EST

Oh, you mean like Newt Gingrich? thats the "decent" thing? -NT - (boxley) - (1) - March 22, 2005, 06:53:55 PM EST

Apple/Orange. -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 23, 2005, 08:28:13 AM EST

well who is going to pay for that? - (boxley) - (8) - March 21, 2005, 06:51:59 PM EST

Her nursing home care is free. Can't find where I read that. -NT - (Another Scott) - (5) - March 21, 2005, 07:15:24 PM EST

cant find a hard link but medicaid is only for the broke - (boxley) - (4) - March 21, 2005, 07:21:44 PM EST

This isn't it, but supports my recollection. - (Another Scott) - (3) - March 21, 2005, 07:37:57 PM EST

so that takes "its the husband wanting the money " out of it -NT - (boxley) - (2) - March 21, 2005, 07:45:03 PM EST

Not among the conspiracy theorists... :-( -NT - (Another Scott) - March 21, 2005, 07:52:58 PM EST

Watch for a book. -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 22, 2005, 08:45:59 AM EST

I always knew you were a closet-Bushie. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - March 22, 2005, 08:44:34 AM EST

too bad hes not consistant :-) -NT - (boxley) - March 22, 2005, 06:58:39 PM EST

It wasn't written, but her views were clear. - (Another Scott) - (3) - March 21, 2005, 04:49:44 PM EST

Thanks, but I don't need to dig. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - March 21, 2005, 04:58:53 PM EST

Then no decision would ever be made for Terri. - (Another Scott) - (1) - March 21, 2005, 05:05:30 PM EST

Pretty loose with that word "family". - (mmoffitt) - March 22, 2005, 08:47:15 AM EST

You really need to move to Texas... - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - March 21, 2005, 06:45:40 PM EST

Insane? - (mmoffitt) - (2) - March 22, 2005, 08:35:10 AM EST

Look at the law in Texas... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - March 23, 2005, 12:59:59 PM EST

Ah. Misunderstood. Agree. -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 23, 2005, 01:02:04 PM EST

And here is a second opinion that disagrees with the first - (Arkadiy) - March 23, 2005, 10:27:50 AM EST

Oxymoron alert. - (mmoffitt) - (11) - March 21, 2005, 01:53:29 PM EST

You forget. :-( Anyway... - (Another Scott) - (1) - March 21, 2005, 01:58:17 PM EST

Okay, but that's a hot-button phrase for me. - (mmoffitt) - March 21, 2005, 02:01:20 PM EST

Stop right there. - (pwhysall) - March 21, 2005, 02:17:22 PM EST

No. - (imric) - (2) - March 21, 2005, 02:31:58 PM EST

*nod* -NT - (pwhysall) - March 21, 2005, 02:34:01 PM EST

"Do not go gentle into that good night." YMMV. -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 21, 2005, 03:53:48 PM EST

It is more dignified than - (tuberculosis) - (3) - March 21, 2005, 03:58:04 PM EST

Well, imo, ... - (mmoffitt) - (2) - March 21, 2005, 04:03:59 PM EST

Over-generalised nonsense, but hey. -NT - (pwhysall) - (1) - March 21, 2005, 04:13:41 PM EST

Ever worked in a nursing home? -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 22, 2005, 09:21:05 AM EST

about dying maybe, about choice of surroundings, yes - (boxley) - March 21, 2005, 06:54:35 PM EST

Final whack at the horse in the PVS - (tuberculosis) - (2) - March 20, 2005, 02:19:55 PM EST

froma quote in there, and the fact that 4 were arrested - (boxley) - March 20, 2005, 03:51:41 PM EST

Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - March 20, 2005, 04:15:43 PM EST

Parliamentary maneuvering continues. - (Another Scott) - (1) - March 20, 2005, 04:58:21 PM EST

House debate just ended. - (Another Scott) - March 21, 2005, 12:23:10 AM EST

Want to know who's behind it? (new thread) - (drewk) - March 21, 2005, 12:26:10 PM EST

Judge Whittemore apparently not being stampeded. - (Another Scott) - (6) - March 21, 2005, 08:44:49 PM EST

the US courts having this hot pig dropped into their laps - (boxley) - (5) - March 21, 2005, 08:54:20 PM EST

Dunno. - (Another Scott) - (3) - March 21, 2005, 09:11:14 PM EST

dang, I didnt know the veg was less than a mile from - (boxley) - March 21, 2005, 09:18:48 PM EST

Yeah, badmouthing the judge is really going to work well - (jake123) - (1) - March 22, 2005, 02:41:26 AM EST

American Ayatollah (ya so) has a eu-phoni-ous lilt to it (?) -NT - (Ashton) - March 22, 2005, 04:24:43 AM EST

Doubt it. USSC has previously refused to hear the case. -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 22, 2005, 08:48:42 AM EST

Legal Experts Say Parents Are Unlikely To Prevail - (Another Scott) - (1) - March 21, 2005, 11:38:01 PM EST

Request for Temporary Restraining Order Denied. - (Another Scott) - March 22, 2005, 07:53:51 AM EST

11th Circuit denies appeal in 2:1 vote. - (Another Scott) - March 23, 2005, 08:40:24 AM EST

Re: The Schiavo train wreck continues - (SpiceWare) - March 23, 2005, 09:41:04 AM EST

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