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New Parliamentary maneuvering continues.
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A51402-2005Mar20?language=printer|Washington Post]:

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.), who pushed Congress to consider the legislation, said yesterday that he is "confident that this compromise will restore nutrition and hydration to Ms. Schiavo as long as that appeal endures."

DeLay said he did not know if it would mean she would be spared indefinitely. "That's not the point," he said. "The point is that Terri Schiavo should have the opportunity. We should investigate every avenue before we take the life of a living human being, and that's the very least we can do for her."


The gall of DeLay to make a statement like that, considering his [link|http://activote.ontheissues.org/AVA/House/Tom_DeLay.htm|position on the death penalty and habeas corpus], that is unbelievable. It's clear to me that he's doing this because he thinks the Republicans can get political advantage from it.

Continuing from the WP story:
House members today were scrambling to return to Washington from across the country. Leaders acknowledged yesterday that they expected some Democrats to object to the legislation, which would prevent the bill from passing in the House under rules available for today. So House leaders said they are likely to have to meet again, at 12:01 a.m. Monday, when they can put the bill on a calendar that would deny Democrats some ways to stall action.

With lawmakers scattered from Iraq to Australia, leaders hope to use parliamentary methods -- such as a voice vote rather than a roll call -- to pass the bills without calling back their entire memberships.


They feel so strongly about the importance of this legislation, but they aren't willing to have their members put their name on a vote. Hmmm.

House Majority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) said yesterday that the outcome is clear and that it is "just how we get there." He said that if Democrats demand a roll call vote, Republicans will need to come up with 218 votes and two-thirds of the House, and he said it would be "just a matter of time" before enough of the 232 Republicans could be rounded up to do that. A vote would not begin until then.


I wonder how much of this is bluster to intimidate the Democrats so that they won't call for a roll. I hope that there are enough people in Congress that will stand up, speak out, and prevent this legislation from going forward. If it does somehow pass, I hope the courts immediately strike it down as a violation of the Constitutional prohibition of ex post facto laws, a violation of the principle of Separation of Powers, and a violation of Article III of the Constitution.

Grrr.

Cheers,
Scott.
New House debate just ended.
A little over 3 hours of debate in the US House of Representatives has just concluded. I've been listening to it on C-SPAN radio. The opponents had much stronger arguments, IMHO. But the tone has been as if it was a foregone conclusion that the bill that passed the Senate today by voice vote would pass the House after midnight.

I was surprised by how poorly many of the advocates presented their case. Many seemed to read exactly the same script. Many attacked the Florida courts and Michael Schiavo in the most crude and unseemly way. Many repeatedly mistated the facts in the case. It was pathetic, IMHO.

Stenny Hoyer gave a good ending speech for the opponents.

Tom DeLay gave a short emotional speech that didn't address the legislation, and the roll-call vote has just started.

We'll see what happens...

Cheers,
Scott.
     The Schiavo train wreck continues - (Another Scott) - (146)
         time for a compassionate pillow -NT - (boxley) - (1)
             ...placed over the faces of her parents... -NT - (jb4)
         I hate to say it.... - (Simon_Jester) - (10)
             I thinkthe money ran out 2 years ago -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                 The Terri Schiavo Foundation -- quotes... - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                     facts he got 1 million, 700k for treatment 300k to him - (boxley)
             Follow-up... - (Simon_Jester) - (6)
                 You're selling yourself off cheap! :) - (a6l6e6x)
                 it been about the circus for a while - (boxley)
                 Wow. Decency is in short supply here... -NT - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                     :| Have you seen "O Brother, Where Art Thou"? - (jake123)
                     Whoops...sorry.... - (Simon_Jester)
                 Schindler's List II -- there's gold in them thar bills! -NT - (GBert)
         I think the whole thing is just sad - (Nightowl) - (11)
             Reason enough to have a living will. -NT - (jbrabeck) - (10)
                 They don't help as much as you think - (tuberculosis) - (9)
                     I've heard other such stories. - (jbrabeck) - (5)
                         No, the living will didn't enter into it at all - (tuberculosis) - (4)
                             That was a terrible experience - (bionerd) - (2)
                                 Yes it was -NT - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                     This is timely (new thread) - (tuberculosis)
                             Man, that's tough... - (jb4)
                     Re: They don't help as much as you think - (pwhysall)
                     One possible way to get around that - (Nightowl) - (1)
                         One minor bit of info - (Simon_Jester)
         Yet more grandstanding. - (Another Scott) - (1)
             And more to come.... - (Simon_Jester)
         if she was a dog - (boxley)
         Letter to my Congressman. - (Another Scott) - (3)
             Well said -NT - (Silverlock)
             This government is pro-torture on every front -NT - (tuberculosis)
             Two ears and a tail. -NT - (Ashton)
         Is there a better example anywhere ... - (mmoffitt) - (96)
             Points up the need for legal euthanasia - (tuberculosis) - (4)
                 Would training be necessary? The intent is to kill her, yes? - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                     Not kill, let her go - she's already dead. - (tuberculosis)
                     Re: Would training be necessary? The intent is to kill her, - (Ashton) - (1)
                         It does have at least something to do with MD's... - (mmoffitt)
             She's effectively been dead since 2/25/1990. - (Another Scott) - (90)
                 What you said. -NT - (pwhysall)
                 I don't think its "so clear". - (mmoffitt) - (88)
                     Read the trial record on FindLaw and AbstractAppeal. - (Another Scott) - (87)
                         Facts are facts. - (mmoffitt) - (86)
                             Amazingly enough, I find myself on the same side as you - (Arkadiy)
                             She won't recover... - (pwhysall) - (84)
                                 Can you point me at an article that describes - (Arkadiy) - (71)
                                     Re: Can you point me at an article that describes - (pwhysall) - (69)
                                         Oh, that's different then. - (mmoffitt) - (68)
                                             Please read Abstract Appeal. - (Another Scott) - (67)
                                                 And my question still stands. - (mmoffitt) - (66)
                                                     Parents don't own their grown children. -NT - (Another Scott) - (61)
                                                         They don't "own" wee ones either ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (60)
                                                             No, but they are legally responsible unless they're over 18. - (Another Scott) - (59)
                                                                 Except that we depend upon hearsay for that. - (mmoffitt) - (58)
                                                                     There was Clear and Convincing proof according to the courts -NT - (Another Scott) - (57)
                                                                         I'm lazy. Link where she in her own hand .... - (mmoffitt) - (56)
                                                                             Oh, for goodness' sake. - (pwhysall) - (51)
                                                                                 Huh? - (mmoffitt) - (50)
                                                                                     On what ethical basis do you want the family to decide? - (pwhysall) - (40)
                                                                                         According to your own words, Terri has no feelings - (Arkadiy) - (39)
                                                                                             Distinguish between "feeling" and "feelings" - (pwhysall)
                                                                                             I disagree. - (Another Scott) - (37)
                                                                                                 "Stated her wishes" completely overblown. - (mmoffitt) - (36)
                                                                                                     Your objections ignore her wishes. - (Another Scott) - (33)
                                                                                                         I don't know what her wishes are. - (mmoffitt) - (32)
                                                                                                             One more time. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                                                                                                                 You know what insanity is, right? - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                                                                                                     Yeah. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                                                                         Wait for the movie rights. ;0) - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                                                                             Ha! - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                                                                                 :-) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                                             Exactly - (jake123) - (25)
                                                                                                                 Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. - (mmoffitt) - (24)
                                                                                                                     Concur - (jbrabeck) - (23)
                                                                                                                         well, there's the problem - (jake123) - (20)
                                                                                                                             I don't blame him for moving on. - (mmoffitt) - (19)
                                                                                                                                 What if he's Catholic? - (jake123)
                                                                                                                                 'Till death do you part... - (hnick) - (5)
                                                                                                                                     PVS != Dead. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                                                                                                                         No squash == dead - (hnick) - (3)
                                                                                                                                             Nobody but me does, unfortunately ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                                                                                                 when everybody else is consistantly wrong, - (hnick) - (1)
                                                                                                                                                     hey none of that! -NT - (boxley)
                                                                                                                                 Decency? - (tuberculosis) - (11)
                                                                                                                                     agreed -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                                                         Can we also agree ... (new thread) - (drewk)
                                                                                                                                     Right, like the $300,000 he took. - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                                                                                                                                         well she was a puker, finally getting her wish - (boxley) - (7)
                                                                                                                                             Don't need to make stuff up. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                                                                                                                                 The body isn't dead - (Silverlock) - (4)
                                                                                                                                                     A long time ago, ... - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                                                                                                                         There's a slight difference - (jbrabeck) - (1)
                                                                                                                                                             I don't think we disagree at all. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                                                                                         Another Christian view - (jbrabeck)
                                                                                                                                                 Year? Because she died in 1990. (new thread) - (tuberculosis)
                                                                                                                         Trouble is, there's no legal way to do that. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                                                                             It'd be interesting to see if that option were available ... - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                                     Oh, you mean like Newt Gingrich? thats the "decent" thing? -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                         Apple/Orange. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                     well who is going to pay for that? - (boxley) - (8)
                                                                                         Her nursing home care is free. Can't find where I read that. -NT - (Another Scott) - (5)
                                                                                             cant find a hard link but medicaid is only for the broke - (boxley) - (4)
                                                                                                 This isn't it, but supports my recollection. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                                                     so that takes "its the husband wanting the money " out of it -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                                         Not among the conspiracy theorists... :-( -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                                                         Watch for a book. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                         I always knew you were a closet-Bushie. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                                             too bad hes not consistant :-) -NT - (boxley)
                                                                             It wasn't written, but her views were clear. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                                 Thanks, but I don't need to dig. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                                     Then no decision would ever be made for Terri. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                                         Pretty loose with that word "family". - (mmoffitt)
                                                     You really need to move to Texas... - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
                                                         Insane? - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                             Look at the law in Texas... - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                                                                 Ah. Misunderstood. Agree. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                     And here is a second opinion that disagrees with the first - (Arkadiy)
                                 Oxymoron alert. - (mmoffitt) - (11)
                                     You forget. :-( Anyway... - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                         Okay, but that's a hot-button phrase for me. - (mmoffitt)
                                     Stop right there. - (pwhysall)
                                     No. - (imric) - (2)
                                         *nod* -NT - (pwhysall)
                                         "Do not go gentle into that good night." YMMV. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                     It is more dignified than - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                                         Well, imo, ... - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                             Over-generalised nonsense, but hey. -NT - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                 Ever worked in a nursing home? -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                     about dying maybe, about choice of surroundings, yes - (boxley)
         Final whack at the horse in the PVS - (tuberculosis) - (2)
             froma quote in there, and the fact that 4 were arrested - (boxley)
             Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott)
         Parliamentary maneuvering continues. - (Another Scott) - (1)
             House debate just ended. - (Another Scott)
         Want to know who's behind it? (new thread) - (drewk)
         Judge Whittemore apparently not being stampeded. - (Another Scott) - (6)
             the US courts having this hot pig dropped into their laps - (boxley) - (5)
                 Dunno. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                     dang, I didnt know the veg was less than a mile from - (boxley)
                     Yeah, badmouthing the judge is really going to work well - (jake123) - (1)
                         American Ayatollah (ya so) has a eu-phoni-ous lilt to it (?) -NT - (Ashton)
                 Doubt it. USSC has previously refused to hear the case. -NT - (mmoffitt)
         Legal Experts Say Parents Are Unlikely To Prevail - (Another Scott) - (1)
             Request for Temporary Restraining Order Denied. - (Another Scott)
         11th Circuit denies appeal in 2:1 vote. - (Another Scott)
         Re: The Schiavo train wreck continues - (SpiceWare)

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