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Post #134,500 by deSitter 1/9/04 11:24:57 AM Reply	? It's right on the surface Even the Ptolemaic system of epicycles has a certain beauty. The very act of looking for patterns seems to be a survival instinct. What I originally meant by "reasonable" is that the patterns are there and they are permanent. They are part of the real world, as much as a tree is. -drl
Post #134,565 by mmoffitt 1/9/04 3:10:51 PM Reply	Concur. bcnu, Mikem I don't do third world languages. So no, I don't do Java.

I won't walk on coals about that - (ben_tilly) - (183) - Jan. 3, 2004, 06:59:07 PM EST

Science and Religion meet here - (orion) - (116) - Jan. 3, 2004, 07:49:01 PM EST

There is a Christian anti everything else . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - Jan. 3, 2004, 08:44:54 PM EST

Not every Christian is a fundamentalist - (orion) - (5) - Jan. 3, 2004, 09:34:05 PM EST

Re: Not every Christian is a fundamentalist - (deSitter) - (4) - Jan. 3, 2004, 09:32:13 PM EST

Amen, brother-- and with holy vestments and 'blessed' oil.. -NT - (Ashton) - Jan. 4, 2004, 05:54:22 AM EST

Stupidest thing I've read all year. - (cwbrenn) - (2) - Jan. 7, 2004, 12:42:17 PM EST

Care to explain why? - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 7, 2004, 02:43:50 PM EST

Or, in the words of Heinrich Heine: - (a6l6e6x) - Jan. 7, 2004, 04:02:35 PM EST

No, they do NOT meet here - (ben_tilly) - (30) - Jan. 3, 2004, 10:09:25 PM EST

Yes indeed they do - (orion) - (29) - Jan. 4, 2004, 08:52:10 PM EST

Talk about rapidly changing your position - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Jan. 5, 2004, 12:59:16 PM EST

Fix your ring species link, please. - (admin) - Jan. 5, 2004, 12:01:04 PM EST

Not really - (orion) - (4) - Jan. 7, 2004, 01:48:00 AM EST

You can use whatever definition you want - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Jan. 7, 2004, 03:11:01 PM EST

Let us just agree to disagree then. - (orion) - (2) - Jan. 8, 2004, 11:33:30 PM EST

/me chuckles while pulling hair out -NT - (bepatient) - Jan. 9, 2004, 01:32:26 AM EST

Yes, we have passed the point of uselessness - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 9, 2004, 11:18:56 AM EST

Norman... - (pwhysall) - (21) - Jan. 5, 2004, 12:23:46 PM EST

Peter... - (orion) - (20) - Jan. 7, 2004, 02:20:13 AM EST

Riiiiiight. - (pwhysall) - (19) - Jan. 7, 2004, 07:28:30 AM EST

Re: Riiiiiight. - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 7, 2004, 07:31:50 AM EST

Re: Riiiiiight. - (pwhysall) - Jan. 7, 2004, 07:34:35 AM EST

It is because - (orion) - (16) - Jan. 7, 2004, 08:45:33 AM EST

potential root cause is fear of death? Interesting - (boxley) - (15) - Jan. 7, 2004, 12:35:46 PM EST

Fear of the known - (orion) - (14) - Jan. 8, 2004, 10:36:29 PM EST

so fear is the main issue - (boxley) - (13) - Jan. 9, 2004, 10:31:33 AM EST

"The Gift of Fear" is an interesting book. - (Another Scott) - Jan. 9, 2004, 10:40:46 AM EST

Perhaps it is part of the illness - (orion) - (11) - Jan. 9, 2004, 12:45:23 PM EST

Re: Perhaps it is part of the illness - (deSitter) - (10) - Jan. 9, 2004, 12:59:10 PM EST

You have no idea what you are talking about - (Nightowl) - (9) - Jan. 9, 2004, 01:08:27 PM EST

Re: You have no idea what you are talking about - (deSitter) - (3) - Jan. 9, 2004, 01:13:24 PM EST

You clearly stated... - (Nightowl) - (2) - Jan. 9, 2004, 01:19:00 PM EST

Re: You clearly stated... - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 9, 2004, 01:27:04 PM EST

Well as Scott said in the Hardware forum - (Nightowl) - Jan. 9, 2004, 01:31:13 PM EST

Not to mention - (orion) - (4) - Jan. 9, 2004, 01:24:29 PM EST

Re: Not to mention - (deSitter) - Jan. 9, 2004, 01:30:20 PM EST

perhaps you need to take up driving in demolition derbies - (boxley) - (1) - Jan. 9, 2004, 02:31:16 PM EST

You have a point - (orion) - Jan. 9, 2004, 03:31:59 PM EST

Nah, I agree with Ross - (lister) - Jan. 16, 2004, 03:09:01 PM EST

Science and Religion don't intersect much. - (JayMehaffey) - (60) - Jan. 3, 2004, 11:28:58 PM EST

Re: Science and Religion don't intersect much. - (deSitter) - Jan. 3, 2004, 11:57:04 PM EST

Oh yeah? - (orion) - (58) - Jan. 4, 2004, 08:55:49 PM EST

Still not getting it - (JayMehaffey) - (57) - Jan. 4, 2004, 10:01:06 PM EST

No you are not getting it - (orion) - (56) - Jan. 7, 2004, 02:00:18 AM EST

Re: No you are not getting it - (JayMehaffey) - (54) - Jan. 7, 2004, 03:36:00 AM EST

You are getting some of it - (orion) - (53) - Jan. 7, 2004, 09:07:54 AM EST

Re: You are getting some of it - (JayMehaffey) - (52) - Jan. 7, 2004, 08:49:17 PM EST

One more time with feeling - (orion) - (51) - Jan. 9, 2004, 12:02:38 AM EST

Re: One more time with feeling - (JayMehaffey) - (7) - Jan. 9, 2004, 02:32:54 AM EST

Some more information - (orion) - (6) - Jan. 9, 2004, 01:20:37 PM EST

What was the point of that? - (JayMehaffey) - (5) - Jan. 9, 2004, 04:23:35 PM EST

The point was - (orion) - (4) - Jan. 10, 2004, 01:05:16 PM EST

Re: The point was - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Jan. 10, 2004, 10:21:24 PM EST

Apparently you missed part of that review quote - (orion) - (2) - Jan. 11, 2004, 02:37:38 PM EST

"Were atheists" ne "are atheists" - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 12, 2004, 12:21:32 AM EST

I saw that - (JayMehaffey) - Jan. 12, 2004, 03:19:08 PM EST

Ah, yes - (ben_tilly) - (42) - Jan. 9, 2004, 11:16:38 AM EST

It shows an example - (orion) - (41) - Jan. 9, 2004, 01:06:51 PM EST

You need some perspective - (ben_tilly) - (40) - Jan. 9, 2004, 03:57:38 PM EST

excellent +10 - (deSitter) - Jan. 9, 2004, 04:12:45 PM EST

And that is a decently compact one. - (Ashton) - Jan. 10, 2004, 07:10:52 AM EST

More suspect evidence - (orion) - (37) - Jan. 10, 2004, 01:02:36 PM EST

Talk about missing the point - (ben_tilly) - (36) - Jan. 10, 2004, 02:22:39 PM EST

I was presented it as - (orion) - (35) - Jan. 10, 2004, 03:21:22 PM EST

What is that about motes vs beams? - (ben_tilly) - (34) - Jan. 10, 2004, 04:03:38 PM EST

The truth is - (orion) - (33) - Jan. 10, 2004, 05:36:48 PM EST

Do you think that your opinion should count or not? - (ben_tilly) - (32) - Jan. 11, 2004, 12:51:47 AM EST

Everyone's opinions count - (orion) - (30) - Jan. 11, 2004, 02:26:03 PM EST

Re: Everyone's opinions count - (jake123) - (28) - Jan. 11, 2004, 11:36:18 PM EST

Re: Everyone's opinions count - (deSitter) - Jan. 11, 2004, 11:47:07 PM EST

Here in the US - (orion) - (26) - Jan. 12, 2004, 11:59:25 AM EST

Not the same. - (admin) - (6) - Jan. 12, 2004, 12:05:40 PM EST

I only ask - (orion) - (5) - Jan. 12, 2004, 04:46:52 PM EST

That's not what you said. -NT - (admin) - (4) - Jan. 12, 2004, 04:47:54 PM EST

What did I say? - (orion) - (3) - Jan. 12, 2004, 04:56:42 PM EST

MWBC. 'nuff said. -NT - (jake123) - (2) - Jan. 12, 2004, 04:58:27 PM EST

Sorry I did not get that - (orion) - (1) - Jan. 12, 2004, 05:07:29 PM EST

Here's the one that I mean: - (jake123) - Jan. 12, 2004, 05:26:07 PM EST

Re: Here in the US - (jake123) - (18) - Jan. 12, 2004, 12:50:44 PM EST

Well I could have been reading it wrong - (orion) - (17) - Jan. 12, 2004, 05:05:23 PM EST

That wasn't your point - (jake123) - (16) - Jan. 12, 2004, 05:24:39 PM EST

I had many points - (orion) - (15) - Jan. 12, 2004, 05:39:52 PM EST

Passive aggressive too -NT - (jake123) - (14) - Jan. 12, 2004, 05:47:37 PM EST

You got more to add? - (orion) - (13) - Jan. 12, 2004, 05:49:59 PM EST

Yes - (jake123) - (1) - Jan. 12, 2004, 05:55:53 PM EST

I do agree with you somewhat - (orion) - Jan. 13, 2004, 01:22:53 AM EST

Ok, let me have a whack at it - (hnick) - (10) - Jan. 12, 2004, 06:05:05 PM EST

Qualified opinions - (orion) - (9) - Jan. 13, 2004, 07:08:54 PM EST

Shopping for experts - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Jan. 14, 2004, 01:25:20 AM EST

Heh.. - (Ashton) - Jan. 14, 2004, 08:13:37 AM EST

Searching for experts - (orion) - (6) - Jan. 14, 2004, 10:52:17 AM EST

Any possibility of useful conversation has ended - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Jan. 14, 2004, 11:25:42 AM EST

Obviously you are mistaken - (orion) - Jan. 14, 2004, 01:39:53 PM EST

Let me put it another way - (orion) - (3) - Jan. 14, 2004, 04:55:15 PM EST

Re: Let me put it another way - (JayMehaffey) - Jan. 14, 2004, 06:03:45 PM EST

Please review the thread from the beginning. - (Another Scott) - Jan. 14, 2004, 08:22:08 PM EST

Die, Norman! Die! (new thread) - (rcareaga) - Jan. 14, 2004, 11:45:10 PM EST

But not equally - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 12, 2004, 12:10:02 AM EST

In the words of Dinah Maria Mulock Craik, - (a6l6e6x) - Jan. 11, 2004, 02:57:26 PM EST

You learn to Love the Mystery - (Ashton) - Jan. 7, 2004, 03:37:04 AM EST

You need to understand the meaning of the words you're using - (Another Scott) - (15) - Jan. 4, 2004, 12:14:02 AM EST

Re: You need to understand the meaning of the words you're u - (deSitter) - (14) - Jan. 4, 2004, 12:22:09 AM EST

9 times 6 is 42. -NT - (admin) - Jan. 4, 2004, 12:42:44 AM EST

Yes and no. - (Another Scott) - (9) - Jan. 4, 2004, 01:11:11 AM EST

That is not the reasonableness that Ross is asserting - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Jan. 4, 2004, 03:51:46 AM EST

Hume discussed this - (jake123) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2004, 11:10:45 AM EST

And to quote Aleister Crowley . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Jan. 4, 2004, 12:49:52 PM EST

Even more interesting "reasonableness" - (Arkadiy) - (5) - Jan. 6, 2004, 05:14:45 PM EST

Info is in the Principia. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Jan. 6, 2004, 05:27:30 PM EST

Re: Info is in the Principia. - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 7, 2004, 06:41:22 AM EST

I'm not - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 7, 2004, 02:47:19 PM EST

Several things - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 6, 2004, 05:39:23 PM EST

Re: Even more interesting "reasonableness" - (deSitter) - Jan. 7, 2004, 07:00:09 AM EST

To quote Slim Pickens in Blazing Saddles... - (danreck) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2004, 04:55:16 PM EST

Re: To quote Slim Pickens in Blazing Saddles... - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2004, 05:34:22 PM EST

It is the highest compliment I can give. - (danreck) - Jan. 6, 2004, 10:07:14 AM EST

And ill met they are - (tuberculosis) - Jan. 5, 2004, 05:02:38 PM EST

What I find unreasonable. - (static) - (64) - Jan. 4, 2004, 02:29:44 AM EST

Re: What I find unreasonable. - (deSitter) - Jan. 4, 2004, 03:05:24 AM EST

But that WAS NOT excluded from the possibilities! - (ben_tilly) - (41) - Jan. 4, 2004, 03:48:17 AM EST

Oops? - (Nightowl) - Jan. 5, 2004, 12:11:58 AM EST

I've been staying out of this... - (Nightowl) - (15) - Jan. 4, 2004, 09:39:34 AM EST

Quite a few believe that - (ben_tilly) - (14) - Jan. 4, 2004, 01:32:40 PM EST

I'm in that group - (FuManChu) - Jan. 4, 2004, 04:06:45 PM EST

Speaking of Catholic thought - (ChrisR) - (12) - Jan. 4, 2004, 07:56:25 PM EST

Nowhere in particular - (ben_tilly) - (11) - Jan. 5, 2004, 11:41:35 AM EST

Tielhard only wrote once about Piltdown - (ChrisR) - (10) - Jan. 5, 2004, 01:03:15 PM EST

As I said, this I do not know about - (ben_tilly) - (9) - Jan. 5, 2004, 04:31:03 PM EST

As long as this thread won't die - (ChrisR) - (8) - Jan. 9, 2004, 11:35:53 AM EST

I see no evidence of a global goal direction - (ben_tilly) - (7) - Jan. 9, 2004, 11:46:54 AM EST

Meandering along - (ChrisR) - (6) - Jan. 9, 2004, 12:23:43 PM EST

Re: Meandering along - (deSitter) - (4) - Jan. 9, 2004, 12:33:29 PM EST

Which touches on a different concern I've had.... - (ChrisR) - (1) - Jan. 9, 2004, 01:09:07 PM EST

Exactly! - (deSitter) - Jan. 9, 2004, 01:22:31 PM EST

Your knowledge is insufficient - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Jan. 9, 2004, 04:11:04 PM EST

Fascinating - I stand corrected! - (deSitter) - Jan. 9, 2004, 04:18:42 PM EST

The boundaries are broader than you might think - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 9, 2004, 04:16:55 PM EST

Good. - (static) - (23) - Jan. 6, 2004, 06:18:08 AM EST

You did not answer the question - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Jan. 6, 2004, 10:56:53 AM EST

I rather thought I did. - (static) - (3) - Jan. 7, 2004, 06:16:33 AM EST

Bullshit - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Jan. 7, 2004, 11:21:00 AM EST

I made a mistake. - (static) - (1) - Jan. 8, 2004, 10:36:13 PM EST

How you should interpret my actions - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 9, 2004, 12:08:33 PM EST

Pardon me, but that'll be when pigs fly. - (mmoffitt) - (17) - Jan. 8, 2004, 10:09:28 PM EST

Why would I assail you? - (ben_tilly) - (16) - Jan. 8, 2004, 10:17:52 PM EST

Okay, here we go. - (mmoffitt) - (15) - Jan. 8, 2004, 11:33:26 PM EST

Umm *cough* - I thought this had been "done": piecemeal - (Ashton) - (7) - Jan. 9, 2004, 01:30:19 AM EST

"Silly that"? - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Jan. 9, 2004, 06:31:28 AM EST

Re: "Silly that"? - (deSitter) - (4) - Jan. 9, 2004, 06:38:40 AM EST

Unless they look too deep. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Jan. 9, 2004, 09:34:24 AM EST

? It's right on the surface - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 9, 2004, 11:24:57 AM EST

Concur. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Jan. 9, 2004, 03:10:51 PM EST

You have to know what is relevant - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 9, 2004, 11:26:54 AM EST

Re: "Silly that"? - (Ashton) - Jan. 10, 2004, 06:35:37 AM EST

I think that you misunderstood me then - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Jan. 9, 2004, 11:42:35 AM EST

What we can agree to disagree on. - (mmoffitt) - (5) - Jan. 13, 2004, 01:44:11 PM EST

If you need actual proof... - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Jan. 13, 2004, 02:06:05 PM EST

Ah... - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Jan. 13, 2004, 08:27:55 PM EST

Depends on which mathematical truth... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Jan. 14, 2004, 12:42:54 AM EST

IMO 'religion' is oft a sub-set: religiosity - (Ashton) - (1) - Jan. 14, 2004, 08:07:49 AM EST

Einstein's thought on that: - (a6l6e6x) - Jan. 14, 2004, 05:05:32 PM EST

"special creation may have occurred" - (Ashton) - (4) - Jan. 4, 2004, 05:48:50 AM EST

Ashton you know me better than that. - (static) - (3) - Jan. 7, 2004, 05:49:46 AM EST

I think you meant... - (Nightowl) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2004, 11:51:03 AM EST

Dang. Thanks. -NT - (static) - Jan. 7, 2004, 05:49:19 AM EST

Why, of course.. - (Ashton) - Jan. 7, 2004, 04:49:56 AM EST

Touching faith in the GICB's omnipotence. - (Silverlock) - (15) - Jan. 4, 2004, 09:06:34 AM EST

Re: Touching faith in the GICB's omnipotence. - (deSitter) - (2) - Jan. 4, 2004, 09:16:39 AM EST

Fundamentalists don't like mystery - (JayMehaffey) - Jan. 4, 2004, 02:29:43 PM EST

It is the Heat Death of the literalists - - (Ashton) - Jan. 4, 2004, 06:43:55 PM EST

Re: "right wicked sense of humor"? - (a6l6e6x) - (11) - Jan. 4, 2004, 01:41:47 PM EST

What I believe - (orion) - (10) - Jan. 4, 2004, 09:08:57 PM EST

Re: What I believe - (JayMehaffey) - (9) - Jan. 4, 2004, 10:33:51 PM EST

Re: What I believe - (Ashton) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2004, 08:21:13 PM EST

While you were out: - (danreck) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2004, 05:04:06 PM EST

s'OK Danno - (Ashton) - Jan. 7, 2004, 04:03:12 AM EST

I see it as this - (orion) - (5) - Jan. 7, 2004, 02:16:41 AM EST

Didn't address the issue - (JayMehaffey) - (4) - Jan. 7, 2004, 03:51:29 AM EST

Disagree - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Jan. 7, 2004, 10:46:02 AM EST

That's true - (Nightowl) - Jan. 7, 2004, 11:44:38 AM EST

Re: Disagree - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Jan. 7, 2004, 08:04:24 PM EST

It's most likely pointless - (Ashton) - Jan. 9, 2004, 01:58:20 AM EST

Faith and Science - (andread) - Jan. 6, 2004, 02:43:07 PM EST

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