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Post #86,369
by static
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3/7/03 6:15:07 AM
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New There's more to the story.
He wasn't the first person wearing that shirt that the security guard told to leave. The cops also spent an hour talking with him after they cuffed him. Clearly they wanted to let him go, but they ran out of options.

From Kuro5hin: [link|http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=112222&category=REGION&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=3/5/2003|Albany Times article].

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.
Post #86,374
by ben_tilly
3/7/03 7:09:06 AM
3/7/03 7:09:57 AM
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New In that case...
It makes it more likely that it was an official mall policy. (It might not have been though - it could have just been multiple incidents with the same security guard.) And he knew that without an incident that it wouldn't change. So he was willing to get arrested to make a point.

Doesn't change the fact that I don't like the idea of store owners deciding that their customers should not wear what is really a pretty blase t-shirt.

I am glad that he made the point. Even if I wouldn't have chosen to.

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Expand Edited by ben_tilly March 7, 2003, 07:09:57 AM EST
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     Man not allowed to wear a peace t-shirt in mall - (ben_tilly) - (52) - March 6, 2003, 07:20:20 AM EST
         I don't - (jake123) - (50) - March 6, 2003, 08:31:58 AM EST
             Malls are private property - (boxley) - (49) - March 6, 2003, 08:44:00 AM EST
                 Not quite any reason - (ben_tilly) - (48) - March 6, 2003, 08:46:33 AM EST
                     That may all be true you two... - (jake123) - (47) - March 6, 2003, 08:55:30 AM EST
                         Yup, 'xackly. -NT - (CRConrad) - March 6, 2003, 09:30:25 AM EST
                         That might have gotten the cops fired - (boxley) - (45) - March 6, 2003, 09:44:03 AM EST
                             Then you have a systemic problem. -NT - (jake123) - (44) - March 6, 2003, 11:08:16 AM EST
                                 yep, troublesome when the state works for the individuals - (boxley) - (43) - March 6, 2003, 12:06:47 PM EST
                                     Well, I can say - (jake123) - (36) - March 6, 2003, 12:14:49 PM EST
                                         Not exactly - (drewk) - (35) - March 6, 2003, 12:37:17 PM EST
                                             They should NOT, & (afaik) DO not, have that "right". - (CRConrad) - (34) - March 6, 2003, 03:33:44 PM EST
                                                 no shirt, no shoes, no service -NT - (SpiceWare) - (5) - March 6, 2003, 03:41:46 PM EST
                                                     Yeah, sure... But the point was, he HAD a shirt! - (CRConrad) - (4) - March 6, 2003, 03:58:11 PM EST
                                                         At the entrance to every Mall in America is a sign - (boxley) - March 6, 2003, 04:07:58 PM EST
                                                         not a functional requirement - (SpiceWare) - March 6, 2003, 04:55:43 PM EST
                                                         What's more... - (cwbrenn) - (1) - March 6, 2003, 05:08:31 PM EST
                                                             Ubersoft plotline: - (admin) - March 6, 2003, 05:10:45 PM EST
                                                 I've spent too long in Europe. - (Brandioch) - March 6, 2003, 03:57:35 PM EST
                                                 Yer starting to sound like Ashton - (jb4) - March 6, 2003, 07:01:04 PM EST
                                                 There's more to the story. - (static) - (1) - March 7, 2003, 06:15:07 AM EST
                                                     In that case... - (ben_tilly) - March 7, 2003, 07:09:57 AM EST
                                                 You do realize where he was, right? - (drewk) - (16) - March 7, 2003, 01:48:51 PM EST
                                                     or let smoke there? hopefully :0 -NT - (boxley) - March 7, 2003, 01:53:05 PM EST
                                                     Umm... Yes, I realise *exactly* where he was. Do YOU? - (CRConrad) - (14) - March 7, 2003, 06:32:42 PM EST
                                                         Then we just disagree - (drewk) - March 7, 2003, 08:46:17 PM EST
                                                         Wrong on a point - (boxley) - (12) - March 7, 2003, 09:14:07 PM EST
                                                             A) Too bloody obvious; B) Oh, that's "a rule", is it ?!? - (CRConrad) - (11) - March 8, 2003, 02:50:21 PM EST
                                                                 wasnt gaul where Julius made his bones? - (boxley) - (2) - March 8, 2003, 06:39:32 PM EST
                                                                     'Xackly - in Latin, it isn't "Gaul", but Gallia. - (CRConrad) - (1) - March 8, 2003, 11:53:16 PM EST
                                                                         {cackle} L'etat c'est Moi! Jacques Tati wherefore art thou? -NT - (Ashton) - March 9, 2003, 04:40:50 PM EST
                                                                 You clearly don't understand the U.S. - (drewk) - (7) - March 10, 2003, 08:31:56 AM EST
                                                                     Just because the USA is stupid, you don't have to be, too. - (CRConrad) - (6) - March 10, 2003, 10:30:35 AM EST
                                                                         Yeah, I can understand your anger, but... - (tseliot) - March 10, 2003, 11:16:23 AM EST
                                                                         I think you're still missing part of what I said - (drewk) - (4) - March 10, 2003, 12:53:21 PM EST
                                                                             No, it's becoming obvious YOU don't know what you're saying. - (CRConrad) - (3) - March 10, 2003, 05:07:46 PM EST
                                                                                 {sigh} And the jingoists want to suppress immigration - (Ashton) - March 11, 2003, 01:53:08 AM EST
                                                                                 Boy, did I say that badly - (drewk) - March 11, 2003, 08:34:34 AM EST
                                                                                 Very nicely put. - (mmoffitt) - March 11, 2003, 10:07:25 AM EST
                                                 It was more than just the shirt - (morganek) - (6) - March 7, 2003, 11:38:56 PM EST
                                                     " clearly states" - (Silverlock) - (5) - March 7, 2003, 11:54:50 PM EST
                                                         Re: " clearly states" - (morganek) - (4) - March 8, 2003, 12:25:44 AM EST
                                                             Doh! - (morganek) - (2) - March 8, 2003, 12:48:56 AM EST
                                                                 I can see why you wouldn't have noticed right off. -NT - (Silverlock) - (1) - March 8, 2003, 01:18:17 AM EST
                                                                     put an <hr> in that signature or some more <br>s before it! -NT - (folkert) - March 8, 2003, 09:00:05 AM EST
                                                             I'll have to take your word for it. - (Silverlock) - March 8, 2003, 01:15:17 AM EST
                                     "For individuals"? How many people have *you*... - (CRConrad) - (5) - March 6, 2003, 02:48:01 PM EST
                                         in practice yes, the constitution has been voided - (boxley) - March 6, 2003, 02:53:23 PM EST
                                         But it was a great idea. - (Brandioch) - March 6, 2003, 03:38:06 PM EST
                                         constitution or ex-parrot? - (rcareaga) - (2) - March 6, 2003, 04:05:46 PM EST
                                             There are a lot of quotes like that - (ben_tilly) - March 6, 2003, 07:05:59 PM EST
                                             Another variant has it - (Ashton) - March 8, 2003, 06:27:58 AM EST
         Update Security Guard fired, as I expected - (boxley) - March 9, 2003, 05:32:33 PM EST

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