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Post #86,154
by rcareaga
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3/6/03 4:05:46 PM
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New constitution or ex-parrot?
CRC opines That vaunted Constitution of yours is dead -- sold out, bought up, all paid for.

It seems to me that I once ran across a quote from Benjamin Franklin (although twenty minutes on Google has not turned it up, so I can't vouch for its authenticity) to the effect that he thought the Republic might last for a couple of centuries before the populace became so debauched that they would be fit only for tyranny. Pretty prescient, if true.

cordially,
"Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
Post #86,242
by ben_tilly
3/6/03 7:05:59 PM
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New There are a lot of quotes like that
Jefferson on the occasion of a minor rebellion:
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."


John Adams:
"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."


And on, and on, and on.

The choice to make the US a republic rather than a democracy was carefully considered and hardly accidental. A good part of our Constitution is meant to protect us from the evils of centralized government.

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #86,709
by Ashton
3/8/03 6:27:58 AM
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New Another variant has it
that as BF was leaving the Hall, a woman asked ~ "wha hoppen; what'd we get?"

And he said ~ "a Republic - if you can keep it".

(I think it doesn't matter that it ain't on 3-D 5.2 Dolby digital at K-Mart - we know what he Meant.)

But I'm with CRC's screed above - a furriner who knows more about the US Constitution than 90% of bored-again Consumers. We lost it. We *don't* have a "culture" except bizness slogans and dissembling. We are *exactly* like the guy with the executioner:

He swings the blade.
Guy: stands there, says "Hah! You Missed!"
Executioner: "wait til you sneeze.."



Ashton
That Dubya has not even been impeached yet - tells us exactly how far we have fallen. (That Clinton was: tells us exactly how genetically entwined is Puritanism)
     Man not allowed to wear a peace t-shirt in mall - (ben_tilly) - (52) - March 6, 2003, 07:20:20 AM EST
         I don't - (jake123) - (50) - March 6, 2003, 08:31:58 AM EST
             Malls are private property - (boxley) - (49) - March 6, 2003, 08:44:00 AM EST
                 Not quite any reason - (ben_tilly) - (48) - March 6, 2003, 08:46:33 AM EST
                     That may all be true you two... - (jake123) - (47) - March 6, 2003, 08:55:30 AM EST
                         Yup, 'xackly. -NT - (CRConrad) - March 6, 2003, 09:30:25 AM EST
                         That might have gotten the cops fired - (boxley) - (45) - March 6, 2003, 09:44:03 AM EST
                             Then you have a systemic problem. -NT - (jake123) - (44) - March 6, 2003, 11:08:16 AM EST
                                 yep, troublesome when the state works for the individuals - (boxley) - (43) - March 6, 2003, 12:06:47 PM EST
                                     Well, I can say - (jake123) - (36) - March 6, 2003, 12:14:49 PM EST
                                         Not exactly - (drewk) - (35) - March 6, 2003, 12:37:17 PM EST
                                             They should NOT, & (afaik) DO not, have that "right". - (CRConrad) - (34) - March 6, 2003, 03:33:44 PM EST
                                                 no shirt, no shoes, no service -NT - (SpiceWare) - (5) - March 6, 2003, 03:41:46 PM EST
                                                     Yeah, sure... But the point was, he HAD a shirt! - (CRConrad) - (4) - March 6, 2003, 03:58:11 PM EST
                                                         At the entrance to every Mall in America is a sign - (boxley) - March 6, 2003, 04:07:58 PM EST
                                                         not a functional requirement - (SpiceWare) - March 6, 2003, 04:55:43 PM EST
                                                         What's more... - (cwbrenn) - (1) - March 6, 2003, 05:08:31 PM EST
                                                             Ubersoft plotline: - (admin) - March 6, 2003, 05:10:45 PM EST
                                                 I've spent too long in Europe. - (Brandioch) - March 6, 2003, 03:57:35 PM EST
                                                 Yer starting to sound like Ashton - (jb4) - March 6, 2003, 07:01:04 PM EST
                                                 There's more to the story. - (static) - (1) - March 7, 2003, 06:15:07 AM EST
                                                     In that case... - (ben_tilly) - March 7, 2003, 07:09:57 AM EST
                                                 You do realize where he was, right? - (drewk) - (16) - March 7, 2003, 01:48:51 PM EST
                                                     or let smoke there? hopefully :0 -NT - (boxley) - March 7, 2003, 01:53:05 PM EST
                                                     Umm... Yes, I realise *exactly* where he was. Do YOU? - (CRConrad) - (14) - March 7, 2003, 06:32:42 PM EST
                                                         Then we just disagree - (drewk) - March 7, 2003, 08:46:17 PM EST
                                                         Wrong on a point - (boxley) - (12) - March 7, 2003, 09:14:07 PM EST
                                                             A) Too bloody obvious; B) Oh, that's "a rule", is it ?!? - (CRConrad) - (11) - March 8, 2003, 02:50:21 PM EST
                                                                 wasnt gaul where Julius made his bones? - (boxley) - (2) - March 8, 2003, 06:39:32 PM EST
                                                                     'Xackly - in Latin, it isn't "Gaul", but Gallia. - (CRConrad) - (1) - March 8, 2003, 11:53:16 PM EST
                                                                         {cackle} L'etat c'est Moi! Jacques Tati wherefore art thou? -NT - (Ashton) - March 9, 2003, 04:40:50 PM EST
                                                                 You clearly don't understand the U.S. - (drewk) - (7) - March 10, 2003, 08:31:56 AM EST
                                                                     Just because the USA is stupid, you don't have to be, too. - (CRConrad) - (6) - March 10, 2003, 10:30:35 AM EST
                                                                         Yeah, I can understand your anger, but... - (tseliot) - March 10, 2003, 11:16:23 AM EST
                                                                         I think you're still missing part of what I said - (drewk) - (4) - March 10, 2003, 12:53:21 PM EST
                                                                             No, it's becoming obvious YOU don't know what you're saying. - (CRConrad) - (3) - March 10, 2003, 05:07:46 PM EST
                                                                                 {sigh} And the jingoists want to suppress immigration - (Ashton) - March 11, 2003, 01:53:08 AM EST
                                                                                 Boy, did I say that badly - (drewk) - March 11, 2003, 08:34:34 AM EST
                                                                                 Very nicely put. - (mmoffitt) - March 11, 2003, 10:07:25 AM EST
                                                 It was more than just the shirt - (morganek) - (6) - March 7, 2003, 11:38:56 PM EST
                                                     " clearly states" - (Silverlock) - (5) - March 7, 2003, 11:54:50 PM EST
                                                         Re: " clearly states" - (morganek) - (4) - March 8, 2003, 12:25:44 AM EST
                                                             Doh! - (morganek) - (2) - March 8, 2003, 12:48:56 AM EST
                                                                 I can see why you wouldn't have noticed right off. -NT - (Silverlock) - (1) - March 8, 2003, 01:18:17 AM EST
                                                                     put an <hr> in that signature or some more <br>s before it! -NT - (folkert) - March 8, 2003, 09:00:05 AM EST
                                                             I'll have to take your word for it. - (Silverlock) - March 8, 2003, 01:15:17 AM EST
                                     "For individuals"? How many people have *you*... - (CRConrad) - (5) - March 6, 2003, 02:48:01 PM EST
                                         in practice yes, the constitution has been voided - (boxley) - March 6, 2003, 02:53:23 PM EST
                                         But it was a great idea. - (Brandioch) - March 6, 2003, 03:38:06 PM EST
                                         constitution or ex-parrot? - (rcareaga) - (2) - March 6, 2003, 04:05:46 PM EST
                                             There are a lot of quotes like that - (ben_tilly) - March 6, 2003, 07:05:59 PM EST
                                             Another variant has it - (Ashton) - March 8, 2003, 06:27:58 AM EST
         Update Security Guard fired, as I expected - (boxley) - March 9, 2003, 05:32:33 PM EST

I don’t have time for you.
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