Here's what I follow:

Post #84,117 by jb4 2/25/03 7:07:15 PM Reply	Here's what I follow: Silverlock thinks Cheney (albeit by the Halliburtton proxy) broke a law trading with the Iraqis. You don't. In the dust-up that followed, you challenged him to show the same level of outrage toward the French Govt for allowing trading witht he Iraqis as he showed in the Halliburton proxy for Cheney trading with the Iraqis. I claimed that this is a New World Order position; that one should be outraged in what an autonomous ruling body (in this case the French Govt) decides to do, if it is different from what you own govt does. I claimed that this is a hypocritical position for you to take, because you have railed indefatiguably against similar New World Order-type positions in the past. No, I think I've been following along quite nicely, actually... jb4 "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." Rich Cook
Post #84,211 by bepatient 2/25/03 11:52:45 PM Reply	You want to give a link? Possibly? Just asking. I don't recall any specific situation that you reference. I won't call you a liar like the "high mip" whiners around here...nor get huffy and demand an apology. Just show me where I said something similar or supported an opposite position...in your opinion. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #84,608 by jb4 2/27/03 9:53:26 AM Reply	Well, I did a search... ... of your posts with the word "UN". I found 29 (but I discarded one because the "UN" was part of the string "UNAMERICAN"). In these posts, I found you to be unabashedly dirisive of the UN, and what it stands for. In some people's minds, the UN is the symbol (or, perhaps, whipping-boy) for the "New World Order", which I understand to be a talk-show-host buzzword for a single world government (yeah, like that's every going to happen). Wit the tenor and tone of your posts re: the U.N., I would surmise that you are no great fan of the "New World Order". And yet, the post at the head of this thread seems to me to indicate a sudden, unaccustomed support for the UN...and therefore by extension, the New World Order, you seem to heretofore eschew. Am I "reading you by your posts", or am I missing something? jb4 "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." Rich Cook
Post #84,636 by bepatient 2/27/03 12:27:03 PM Reply	There has been... ...a decisive show of support given to France because they are "representing the will of their people" by holding against the US. I attributed that belief to someone here that didn't hold it...so I recanted. There seems to be an equal amount of derision being thrown around based on this Huffington piece and others about the US motivation being "purely financial"...with a complete ignorance of the fact that 1) France agreed to the same embargo terms 2) they have and continue to violate those terms with materials that don't even qualify for exempt status under "oil for food" and 3) because of #2 they have and are at much greater financial risk with Saddma's removal An equal argument leveled against France, (they're in it for the money)however...doesn't seem to be acceptable. Its "France-bashing" and thats "bad form". It is not a "new world order" argument. I >am< derisive of the UN...but NOT what it stands for. Its principles are good...its application of those principles is spotty...and its procedural inadequacies are about to kill it outright. If there is to be a "new world order" under the UN banner...they MUST enforce their own resolutions. Allowing a rogue nation to play you like a fiddle does nothing for your credibility as an organization. The "Star Trek" dream of a unified government of earth isn't a bad thing. Accepting it as an eventual reality is a stretch (as you apparently agree). Its the willingness to be supportive of one while remaining blissfully ignorant of reality while damning another with the exact same reality that bothers me. Better explanation? You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #84,646 by jb4 2/27/03 1:53:52 PM Reply	Nope. Clear. thanks for the clarification. I believe we can put this thread to rest, as I now understand your position. We can instead get back to our regular squabbling, which is already in progress.... If only we had been allowed to count the hanging chads tlike the FLSC said we could.... ;-) jb4 "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." Rich Cook
Post #84,665 by bepatient 2/27/03 3:34:22 PM Reply	Only dimples. Else there be lawlessness :) You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #84,775 by Ashton 2/28/03 2:48:27 AM Reply	Propinquitous LRPD:____ snort

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