Black or white, again ... strawman much?

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Post #303,735 by drook 2/6/09 7:54:06 PM Reply	Black or white, again ... strawman much? "So if you think its good to give the states money to help with their budgets..why attach strings." Sure. And if giving the states money is good, then giving them more money is better. And if giving them more money is better, then giving them even more than that must be better still, right? Until the proposal becomes so obviously bad that you can point out it never should have been tried to begin with. -- Drew
Post #303,738 by beepster 2/6/09 8:15:03 PM Reply	Excuse me? "Giving money to the States so that they don't have to make more draconian cuts in their budgets for Medicaid and the like is an explicit purpose of the bill. " Don't believe my detachment of strings is a strawman. Your "endless supply" might be, though. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #303,743 by drook 2/6/09 9:18:54 PM Reply	What did you mean by strings, then? "Giving money to the States so that they don't have to make more draconian cuts in their budgets for Medicaid and the like is an explicit purpose of the bill." And the explicit purpose of the TARP was to cover bad mortgages. But because there were no "strings" they instead used it to buy up other banks, and pay themselves huge bonuses. -- Drew
Post #303,746 by beepster 2/6/09 10:34:27 PM Reply	Your point? Which state is California interested in buying? I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #303,749 by drook 2/6/09 10:58:45 PM Reply	Thought it was obvious, but okay My point is without "strings" there's no reason to believe the money will be used for its "explicit purpose". -- Drew
Post #303,750 by beepster 2/6/09 11:14:29 PM Reply	Block grants happen all the time and go into state general funds. Maybe NY should buy CT. Almost everybody in CT works there already. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.

gore is in DC again - (boxley) - (79) - Jan. 27, 2009, 12:57:06 PM EST

Re: gore is in DC again - (beepster) - (78) - Jan. 27, 2009, 05:23:01 PM EST

Nah! Other states would parrot California. - (a6l6e6x) - Jan. 27, 2009, 05:35:04 PM EST

disagree california is the 8th largest economy in the world - (boxley) - Jan. 27, 2009, 07:57:41 PM EST

you can't really believe this - (rcareaga) - (75) - Jan. 27, 2009, 08:43:26 PM EST

What's not to believe - (beepster) - (74) - Jan. 27, 2009, 09:38:52 PM EST

You apparently don't understand the law in this case. - (Another Scott) - (70) - Jan. 27, 2009, 09:55:53 PM EST

I understand. - (beepster) - (69) - Jan. 27, 2009, 10:19:00 PM EST

If wishes were horses... - (Another Scott) - (61) - Jan. 27, 2009, 11:05:26 PM EST

Settled law is only settled until its changed. - (beepster) - (60) - Jan. 27, 2009, 11:38:46 PM EST

So everything not prohibited should be required? -NT - (drook) - (59) - Jan. 27, 2009, 11:59:21 PM EST

? - (beepster) - (58) - Jan. 28, 2009, 12:00:34 AM EST

Don't know what point you were trying to make - (drook) - (57) - Jan. 28, 2009, 12:32:04 AM EST

Lead - (beepster) - (5) - Jan. 28, 2009, 01:05:17 AM EST

Now: two standards; future: two standards - no fragmentation -NT - (drook) - (4) - Jan. 28, 2009, 01:13:29 AM EST

Not how it works - (beepster) - (3) - Jan. 28, 2009, 01:57:39 AM EST

"Similar Legislation" != "Similar Standards" - (Another Scott) - (2) - Jan. 28, 2009, 07:13:29 AM EST

Of course I am -NT - (beepster) - (1) - Jan. 28, 2009, 07:38:42 AM EST

The obdurate path is never an easy one.. -NT - (Ashton) - Jan. 28, 2009, 04:56:34 PM EST

Les'see - where does BeeP usually stand on "State's Rights"? - (CRConrad) - (50) - Feb. 4, 2009, 11:30:49 AM EST

National versus State versus Local - (beepster) - (48) - Feb. 4, 2009, 11:58:54 AM EST

But with gas, don't we *need* different formulations? - (drook) - (8) - Feb. 4, 2009, 12:25:31 PM EST

That's what I'm saying - (beepster) - (7) - Feb. 4, 2009, 07:52:16 PM EST

Okay - (drook) - (6) - Feb. 4, 2009, 10:21:41 PM EST

sigh - (beepster) - (4) - Feb. 5, 2009, 02:01:06 AM EST

Not invention, logical extension -NT - (drook) - (3) - Feb. 5, 2009, 08:50:26 AM EST

Who's logic? - (beepster) - (2) - Feb. 5, 2009, 04:40:22 PM EST

Power comes from the # of dollars, not the margins. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Feb. 5, 2009, 06:02:50 PM EST

I don't think so - (beepster) - Feb. 6, 2009, 08:23:25 AM EST

part of the problem we had in atlanta was the lack of - (boxley) - Feb. 5, 2009, 09:23:08 AM EST

Didn't hear you harping on Bush for this, though. - (CRConrad) - (38) - Feb. 5, 2009, 04:00:11 AM EST

sigh redux -NT - (beepster) - (37) - Feb. 5, 2009, 07:21:28 AM EST

Yes, I guess sigh is all you can do - not having any answer. -NT - (CRConrad) - (36) - Feb. 6, 2009, 02:50:09 AM EST

Sure I have one - (beepster) - (35) - Feb. 6, 2009, 08:35:08 AM EST

Here's the problem with the way you present your agruments - (drook) - (34) - Feb. 6, 2009, 09:45:25 AM EST

But I think his point is... - (folkert) - Feb. 6, 2009, 09:51:37 AM EST

Bwah ha ha ha - (beepster) - (32) - Feb. 6, 2009, 10:18:32 AM EST

You're conflating things again... - (Another Scott) - (9) - Feb. 6, 2009, 11:45:10 AM EST

Am I. - (beepster) - (8) - Feb. 6, 2009, 05:54:01 PM EST

the stimulus to you and I was not a mistake - (boxley) - Feb. 6, 2009, 06:31:24 PM EST

Black or white, again ... strawman much? - (drook) - (5) - Feb. 6, 2009, 07:54:06 PM EST

Excuse me? - (beepster) - (4) - Feb. 6, 2009, 08:15:03 PM EST

What did you mean by strings, then? - (drook) - (3) - Feb. 6, 2009, 09:18:54 PM EST

Your point? - (beepster) - (2) - Feb. 6, 2009, 10:34:27 PM EST

Thought it was obvious, but okay - (drook) - (1) - Feb. 6, 2009, 10:58:45 PM EST

Block grants happen all the time - (beepster) - Feb. 6, 2009, 11:14:29 PM EST

Year by year, you sound more and more like... - (CRConrad) - April 22, 2009, 08:03:14 AM EDT

That's not a problem with government per se - (jake123) - (2) - Feb. 6, 2009, 11:46:06 AM EST

Double edge on healthcare. - (beepster) - (1) - Feb. 6, 2009, 05:58:18 PM EST

get rid of the last 8 months of life would slice our - (boxley) - Feb. 6, 2009, 06:33:19 PM EST

Wait, Greg was right, that *is* your point? - (drook) - (18) - Feb. 6, 2009, 12:14:37 PM EST

Can't or won't? - (beepster) - (17) - Feb. 6, 2009, 06:10:28 PM EST

Right - (drook) - (16) - Feb. 6, 2009, 07:58:55 PM EST

Sure I do. - (beepster) - (15) - Feb. 6, 2009, 08:19:47 PM EST

Repairing the National Mall is infrastructure... - (Another Scott) - (13) - Feb. 6, 2009, 08:31:33 PM EST

Re: Repairing the National Mall is infrastructure... - (beepster) - (12) - Feb. 6, 2009, 10:38:34 PM EST

Some of them screamed about everything, at various points. - (Another Scott) - (11) - Feb. 6, 2009, 10:51:12 PM EST

His plan was garbage too - (beepster) - (10) - Feb. 6, 2009, 11:18:42 PM EST

You're not paying attention. See HR 1 preamble text again. -NT - (Another Scott) - (9) - Feb. 6, 2009, 11:22:04 PM EST

Re: You're not paying attention. See HR 1 preamble text aga - (beepster) - (8) - Feb. 7, 2009, 10:13:52 AM EST

Eh? - (Another Scott) - (7) - Feb. 7, 2009, 11:03:04 AM EST

75% spend within 18 months. - (beepster) - (6) - Feb. 7, 2009, 12:30:28 PM EST

More words, please. - (Another Scott) - (5) - Feb. 7, 2009, 12:51:07 PM EST

Re: More words, please. - (beepster) - (4) - Feb. 7, 2009, 01:11:04 PM EST

:-) -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 7, 2009, 03:04:56 PM EST

That's a number proposed by a citizen on a web page. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Feb. 7, 2009, 03:32:26 PM EST

Thanks for weasel wording for him. -NT - (beepster) - (1) - Feb. 7, 2009, 05:07:02 PM EST

Thought the weasel was the Patron Saint of Reactionaries :-0 -NT - (Ashton) - Feb. 7, 2009, 07:10:22 PM EST

Right, again - (drook) - Feb. 6, 2009, 09:22:18 PM EST

Now, now -- it's hard to be an Ayn-Marxist - (Ashton) - Feb. 4, 2009, 05:08:27 PM EST

There should be a number of gasoline mixes . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - Jan. 27, 2009, 11:13:35 PM EST

and grousing from buyers - (beepster) - Jan. 27, 2009, 11:43:16 PM EST

You're talking about practical reasons for different mixes. - (static) - Jan. 28, 2009, 01:08:00 AM EST

hows that groundwater poisoning working out? -NT - (boxley) - (3) - Jan. 28, 2009, 08:55:26 AM EST

Stupidity re chemistry goes with general dumbth. Move, then? -NT - (Ashton) - (2) - Jan. 28, 2009, 05:20:53 PM EST

dont let science and mtbe get in your way -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Jan. 28, 2009, 08:35:56 PM EST

Don't let snide intransigence get in yours :-0 -NT - (Ashton) - Jan. 30, 2009, 03:21:08 PM EST

You're aware that the "boutique" fuel problem was addressed? - (Another Scott) - (2) - Feb. 4, 2009, 10:54:09 PM EST

That can't be true - (drook) - (1) - Feb. 4, 2009, 11:29:07 PM EST

and... *AND* - (folkert) - Feb. 4, 2009, 11:57:38 PM EST

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