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Post #227,812 by ben_tilly 10/3/05 4:29:54 PM Reply	Who has denied it? You may be confused by the fact that humanism is not atheism. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #227,815 by boxley 10/3/05 4:35:53 PM Reply	those that practice it in the classroom deny its a religion "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #227,824 by ben_tilly 10/3/05 4:54:32 PM Reply	Which of us does that? You said, "one of you", and don't seem to have been talking to anyone here... Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #227,830 by boxley 10/3/05 5:07:45 PM Reply	one of you, as in one of you secular humanists as in one of you christians, not the figurative use, one of the people in this thread but in the general usage, one of you NFL Monday Night Fans as a local unsanctioned representative. Lot of folks in America are unhappy that the religion of Secular Humanism is taught in the public schools while christianity is barred at the door. Actually I would prefer that both should be taught in a comparative religion class and no where else. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #227,842 by ben_tilly 10/3/05 5:35:15 PM Reply	Interesting use of code words there When I say "secular humanism", I'm referring to a specific atheistic philosophy of tolerance. When you say "secular humanism" you're almost definitely talking about the theory of evolution. As a result we talk past each other. I strongly object to barring the teaching of what is accepted in science because there happens to be a secular religion that borrows some of the tenents of that science. Like it or not - and I know you don't - evolution is a basic part of the scientific consensus. Leaving it out of the scientific curriculum because we are kowtowing to religious prejudice does a serious disservice to both science and students. By all means, schools should not be teaching an atheistic theory of universal tolerance for all. But my support for that should not be twisted into support for removing evolution from the science curriculum. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #227,872 by boxley 10/3/05 8:43:52 PM Reply	my what a giant code word in your eye I have said many times that the teaching of evolution should take place in the public schools, I was not talking about evolution at all, I am very comfortable with that theory. when I speak about secular humanism I am speaking about When I say "secular humanism", I'm referring to a specific philosophy of tolerance forced down a student's throat regardless of common sense or prevailing science like recycling. Perhaps a deep draught of read me in my posts is in order :-) thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #227,879 by ben_tilly 10/3/05 9:01:34 PM Reply	Sorry... I just googled for the phrase and ran across a number of Creationist sites ranting about secular humanism and really talking about evolution. Then jumped to a wrong conclusion. As I said, I'm fine with not teaching secular humanism. I'm even mildly in support of that. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

Vatican 'to ban new gay priests' - (warmachine) - (57) - Sept. 23, 2005, 08:07:23 PM EDT

Little difference . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2005, 08:17:29 PM EDT

'Damn you, jams! You said honor wasn't LIKE pie!' -NT - (Ashton) - Sept. 23, 2005, 10:12:17 PM EDT

A simple ploy to shift blame from priests to gay people. -NT - (Meerkat) - (1) - Sept. 24, 2005, 10:06:04 PM EDT

exactly pedophiles attack both sexes - (boxley) - Sept. 24, 2005, 10:57:19 PM EDT

ObLRPD: Relax... you're quite safe here. -NT - (admin) - (10) - Sept. 25, 2005, 10:57:23 PM EDT

To be in England, in the summertime... close to the edge. -NT - (Ashton) - (9) - Sept. 26, 2005, 03:33:04 AM EDT

The next steps I'm real fuzzy on. -NT - (Meerkat) - (8) - Sept. 27, 2005, 08:17:13 AM EDT

Yeah, *that's* a perfectly valid reason... -NT - (admin) - (7) - Sept. 27, 2005, 08:22:11 AM EDT

Must have been the broomberg effect. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (6) - Sept. 27, 2005, 08:41:54 AM EDT

None of that ersatz churning someother dairies get away with -NT - (Ashton) - (5) - Sept. 27, 2005, 04:12:15 PM EDT

You tread on my patience -NT - (jb4) - (4) - Sept. 27, 2005, 05:26:12 PM EDT

Fun is fun to have. -NT - (Ashton) - (3) - Sept. 27, 2005, 06:46:52 PM EDT

Interstate Face Stab -NT - (inthane-chan) - Sept. 27, 2005, 07:11:08 PM EDT

You don't get syphilis that way. -NT - (Meerkat) - (1) - Sept. 30, 2005, 08:51:44 AM EDT

In case of the cool beverage, the insulative effect - (Ashton) - Sept. 30, 2005, 08:29:52 PM EDT

Comments from an insider - (ubernostrum) - (41) - Sept. 30, 2005, 12:50:27 AM EDT

I don't know about 'fashionable' - (Ashton) - (39) - Sept. 30, 2005, 01:07:37 AM EDT

G.K. Chesterton: - (ubernostrum) - (38) - Sept. 30, 2005, 09:46:30 AM EDT

Yes, it is a silly place we inhabit - (Ashton) - Sept. 30, 2005, 08:43:54 PM EDT

So much for the Age of Enlightenment - (warmachine) - (34) - Oct. 1, 2005, 07:39:03 AM EDT

Best model for this behaviour I've heard - (Ashton) - Oct. 1, 2005, 10:32:31 PM EDT

No... - (ubernostrum) - (32) - Oct. 2, 2005, 07:23:29 PM EDT

I guess religion is doomed then. (Sorry.) -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - Oct. 2, 2005, 07:33:59 PM EDT

Well. - (ubernostrum) - Oct. 2, 2005, 08:58:53 PM EDT

The quotation mentions the church, not god. - (warmachine) - (20) - Oct. 2, 2005, 08:46:05 PM EDT

The quotation says - (ubernostrum) - (19) - Oct. 2, 2005, 08:53:33 PM EDT

Read it again. Still mentions church, not god. - (warmachine) - (18) - Oct. 3, 2005, 02:35:05 AM EDT

Nothing whatsoever to do with moral guidance - (ubernostrum) - (17) - Oct. 3, 2005, 02:50:33 AM EDT

A reasonable argument if only one religion existed - (warmachine) - (16) - Oct. 3, 2005, 03:18:35 AM EDT

so humanism is a religion? Even the secular branch? - (boxley) - (8) - Oct. 3, 2005, 08:13:15 AM EDT

Fulfils the same functions without the supernatural ****. - (warmachine) - Oct. 3, 2005, 08:18:20 AM EDT

Who has denied it? - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Oct. 3, 2005, 04:29:54 PM EDT

those that practice it in the classroom deny its a religion -NT - (boxley) - (5) - Oct. 3, 2005, 04:35:53 PM EDT

Which of *us* does that? - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Oct. 3, 2005, 04:54:32 PM EDT

one of you, as in one of you secular humanists - (boxley) - (3) - Oct. 3, 2005, 05:07:45 PM EDT

Interesting use of code words there - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 3, 2005, 05:35:15 PM EDT

my what a giant code word in your eye - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2005, 08:43:52 PM EDT

Sorry... - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 3, 2005, 09:01:34 PM EDT

Ah, so you're taking it as a dilemma - (ubernostrum) - (6) - Oct. 3, 2005, 12:41:44 PM EDT

Wot, no philosophies that aren't to blame? - (warmachine) - (5) - Oct. 3, 2005, 01:54:24 PM EDT

OK, seriously. - (ubernostrum) - (4) - Oct. 3, 2005, 04:55:49 PM EDT

The church was not strengthened, it was weakened less. - (warmachine) - (3) - Oct. 3, 2005, 05:39:42 PM EDT

I see. - (ubernostrum) - (2) - Oct. 3, 2005, 11:58:46 PM EDT

More illustrative example - (warmachine) - (1) - Oct. 4, 2005, 02:57:28 AM EDT

You still don't get it. - (ubernostrum) - Oct. 4, 2005, 03:33:43 AM EDT

Skip this...go to next post. Goofed! -NT - (imqwerky) - Oct. 3, 2005, 12:30:23 AM EDT

Original Sin: "I poked a badger with a spoon!" - (imqwerky) - (7) - Oct. 3, 2005, 12:29:22 AM EDT

Eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2005, 12:44:41 AM EDT

Dunno about that 'Celebration' - (Ashton) - Oct. 3, 2005, 06:28:37 AM EDT

Yes, he'd have retrofitted nastier DNA changes. - (warmachine) - (4) - Oct. 3, 2005, 02:52:44 AM EDT

you still have no understanding of Job - (boxley) - (3) - Oct. 3, 2005, 08:19:11 AM EDT

"About" "What" "Really" "Happened" sez it all; it's a FABLE! -NT - (Ashton) - (2) - Oct. 3, 2005, 05:59:27 PM EDT

that much sex and violence? prolly fact based -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2005, 08:44:27 PM EDT

{chortle} - ya Got moi! -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 3, 2005, 09:25:14 PM EDT

Let's look at a more complete excerpt. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2005, 06:14:54 PM EDT

But not complete-enough? - (Ashton) - Oct. 3, 2005, 09:49:46 PM EDT

Shouldn't you write "It's a pack of lies!"? -NT - (warmachine) - Sept. 30, 2005, 02:38:33 AM EDT

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