Original Sin: "I poked a badger with a spoon!"

Post #227,670 by imqwerky 10/3/05 12:29:22 AM Reply	Original Sin: "I poked a badger with a spoon!" From Eddie Izzard's HBO special. Original sin is not the fact the fruit was eaten. It is the fact that Adam blamed Eve and Eve blamed the serpent. The Sin is: Not taking reponsibility for one's actions. Had Adam and Eve defiantly said," Yeah, we ate it and we're not sorry for doing it", well, things would have been totally different. Or would it? Piece of mental chewing gum, Anybody? Amy Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly!
Post #227,673 by Andrew Grygus 10/3/05 12:44:41 AM Reply	Eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, . . "Behold, he has become as We, knowing the difference between Good and Evil". Mankind was turned out of the Garden of Eden (the grace of God) because he was no longer of the animals but entering the realm of the demi-gods - responsible for his own actions. The Jews and much more the Christians and way much more the Moslems have been trying to return that responsibility to God ever since. 'Tain't gonna work folks. Ya can't get the tootpaste back into the tube. The eating of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is a transition to be celebrated, not denied. The responsibility is to be accepted with honor. Sin is in trying to dodge it, thus the Catholic Church (and the rest of 'em) has sinned. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #227,690 by Ashton 10/3/05 6:28:37 AM Reply	Dunno about that 'Celebration' Especially if this rather popular metaphor is absurdly (or laughably) Backwards (?) It portrays a putative Original Unity == the Creator + the newly Created. The "knowledge of good and evil" postulates creation of an (this) illusion of Opposites - Good/Bad, Right/Wrong. (hmmm digital first rears its head: and a pretty ugly head - when it's about human(oids) and not just, switching-junctions for fun and profit). Given that metaphysics is mainly about returning one's 'consciousness' to that State of Unity (as might also be called say, The Real?) -- a neutral observer (!) would have to call the "reward" for eating this bloody figurative apple: a Fall from (Grace, Unity, Oneness yada). Clearly it is a lesser 'State' Why might a single Real (asexual == let's keep it nonhysterical) Entity 'need' to create critters? Long before JC - it was suggested that this might be the only means by which: The Absolute might come to 'know itself'. Thence, within the illusion - human ego, desire for Power over other humans, that tendency to evade the hard work of deep thought / any serious exploration 'within': Got us to where we are today. Hey, it's All in our minds, but - never mind; most prefer the game over any silly idea of 'peaceful unity'. We now return you to the perpetual religious warz, for your comfort and bemused entertainment.
Post #227,684 by warmachine 10/3/05 2:52:44 AM Reply	Yes, he'd have retrofitted nastier DNA changes. According to the story, this god entity removed the legs from the talking serpent and its descendents. Inflicting cruelty at the DNA level. As I've said before, a wanker according to his own PR. By this reasoning, if Adam and Eve were unapologetic, he'd have removed the legs from mankind. However, that'd be nonsense to the original audience. If the author created a defiant Adam and Eve, god would have to be less spiteful. The old testament would be a lot less nastier. Instead of satan arguing with god about being able to turn Job, it'd be a (human) king arguing with god. Matthew Greet Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin? - Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
Post #227,696 by boxley 10/3/05 8:19:11 AM Reply	you still have no understanding of Job he was an ungracious, cowardly piece of shit, satan thought he was an easy mark, gawd said even though he is an ungracious cowardly shit you cannot turn him. Satan lost. Instead of always quoting Job, why dont you read the story in the bible so you might have a clue about what really happened? He gave his daughters to be raped to death because he didnt want to get his own ass reamed.... Oh yeah, thats my biblical hero... not. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #227,848 by Ashton 10/3/05 5:59:27 PM Reply	"About" "What" "Really" "Happened" sez it all; it's a FABLE!
Post #227,873 by boxley 10/3/05 8:44:27 PM Reply	that much sex and violence? prolly fact based "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #227,884 by Ashton 10/3/05 9:25:14 PM Reply	{chortle} - ya Got moi!

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