Eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge,

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by Andrew Grygus

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10/3/05 12:44:41 AM

Eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge,

. . "Behold, he has become as We, knowing the difference between Good and Evil".

Mankind was turned out of the Garden of Eden (the grace of God) because he was no longer of the animals but entering the realm of the demi-gods - responsible for his own actions.

The Jews and much more the Christians and way much more the Moslems have been trying to return that responsibility to God ever since. 'Tain't gonna work folks. Ya can't get the tootpaste back into the tube.

The eating of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is a transition to be celebrated, not denied. The responsibility is to be accepted with honor. Sin is in trying to dodge it, thus the Catholic Church (and the rest of 'em) has sinned.

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Post #227,690

10/3/05 6:28:37 AM

Dunno about that 'Celebration'

Especially if this rather popular metaphor is absurdly (or laughably) Backwards (?)

It portrays a putative Original Unity == the Creator + the newly Created.
The "knowledge of good and evil" postulates creation of an (this) illusion of Opposites - Good/Bad, Right/Wrong.
(hmmm digital first rears its head: and a pretty ugly head - when it's about human(oids) and not just, switching-junctions for fun and profit).

Given that metaphysics is mainly about returning one's 'consciousness' to that State of Unity (as might also be called say, The Real?) -- a neutral observer (!) would have to call the "reward" for eating this bloody figurative apple:
a Fall from (Grace, Unity, Oneness yada). Clearly it is a lesser 'State'

Why might a single Real (asexual == let's keep it nonhysterical) Entity 'need' to create critters? Long before JC - it was suggested that this might be the only means by which: The Absolute might come to 'know itself'.

Thence, within the illusion - human ego, desire for Power over other humans, that tendency to evade the hard work of deep thought / any serious exploration 'within':

Got us to where we are today.
Hey, it's All in our minds, but - never mind; most prefer the game over any silly idea of 'peaceful unity'.

We now return you to the perpetual religious warz, for your comfort and bemused entertainment.

Vatican 'to ban new gay priests' - (warmachine) - (57) - Sept. 23, 2005, 08:07:23 PM EDT

Little difference . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2005, 08:17:29 PM EDT

'Damn you, jams! You said honor wasn't LIKE pie!' -NT - (Ashton) - Sept. 23, 2005, 10:12:17 PM EDT

A simple ploy to shift blame from priests to gay people. -NT - (Meerkat) - (1) - Sept. 24, 2005, 10:06:04 PM EDT

exactly pedophiles attack both sexes - (boxley) - Sept. 24, 2005, 10:57:19 PM EDT

ObLRPD: Relax... you're quite safe here. -NT - (admin) - (10) - Sept. 25, 2005, 10:57:23 PM EDT

To be in England, in the summertime... close to the edge. -NT - (Ashton) - (9) - Sept. 26, 2005, 03:33:04 AM EDT

The next steps I'm real fuzzy on. -NT - (Meerkat) - (8) - Sept. 27, 2005, 08:17:13 AM EDT

Yeah, *that's* a perfectly valid reason... -NT - (admin) - (7) - Sept. 27, 2005, 08:22:11 AM EDT

Must have been the broomberg effect. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (6) - Sept. 27, 2005, 08:41:54 AM EDT

None of that ersatz churning someother dairies get away with -NT - (Ashton) - (5) - Sept. 27, 2005, 04:12:15 PM EDT

You tread on my patience -NT - (jb4) - (4) - Sept. 27, 2005, 05:26:12 PM EDT

Fun is fun to have. -NT - (Ashton) - (3) - Sept. 27, 2005, 06:46:52 PM EDT

Interstate Face Stab -NT - (inthane-chan) - Sept. 27, 2005, 07:11:08 PM EDT

You don't get syphilis that way. -NT - (Meerkat) - (1) - Sept. 30, 2005, 08:51:44 AM EDT

In case of the cool beverage, the insulative effect - (Ashton) - Sept. 30, 2005, 08:29:52 PM EDT

Comments from an insider - (ubernostrum) - (41) - Sept. 30, 2005, 12:50:27 AM EDT

I don't know about 'fashionable' - (Ashton) - (39) - Sept. 30, 2005, 01:07:37 AM EDT

G.K. Chesterton: - (ubernostrum) - (38) - Sept. 30, 2005, 09:46:30 AM EDT

Yes, it is a silly place we inhabit - (Ashton) - Sept. 30, 2005, 08:43:54 PM EDT

So much for the Age of Enlightenment - (warmachine) - (34) - Oct. 1, 2005, 07:39:03 AM EDT

Best model for this behaviour I've heard - (Ashton) - Oct. 1, 2005, 10:32:31 PM EDT

No... - (ubernostrum) - (32) - Oct. 2, 2005, 07:23:29 PM EDT

I guess religion is doomed then. (Sorry.) -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - Oct. 2, 2005, 07:33:59 PM EDT

Well. - (ubernostrum) - Oct. 2, 2005, 08:58:53 PM EDT

The quotation mentions the church, not god. - (warmachine) - (20) - Oct. 2, 2005, 08:46:05 PM EDT

The quotation says - (ubernostrum) - (19) - Oct. 2, 2005, 08:53:33 PM EDT

Read it again. Still mentions church, not god. - (warmachine) - (18) - Oct. 3, 2005, 02:35:05 AM EDT

Nothing whatsoever to do with moral guidance - (ubernostrum) - (17) - Oct. 3, 2005, 02:50:33 AM EDT

A reasonable argument if only one religion existed - (warmachine) - (16) - Oct. 3, 2005, 03:18:35 AM EDT

so humanism is a religion? Even the secular branch? - (boxley) - (8) - Oct. 3, 2005, 08:13:15 AM EDT

Fulfils the same functions without the supernatural ****. - (warmachine) - Oct. 3, 2005, 08:18:20 AM EDT

Who has denied it? - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Oct. 3, 2005, 04:29:54 PM EDT

those that practice it in the classroom deny its a religion -NT - (boxley) - (5) - Oct. 3, 2005, 04:35:53 PM EDT

Which of *us* does that? - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Oct. 3, 2005, 04:54:32 PM EDT

one of you, as in one of you secular humanists - (boxley) - (3) - Oct. 3, 2005, 05:07:45 PM EDT

Interesting use of code words there - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 3, 2005, 05:35:15 PM EDT

my what a giant code word in your eye - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2005, 08:43:52 PM EDT

Sorry... - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 3, 2005, 09:01:34 PM EDT

Ah, so you're taking it as a dilemma - (ubernostrum) - (6) - Oct. 3, 2005, 12:41:44 PM EDT

Wot, no philosophies that aren't to blame? - (warmachine) - (5) - Oct. 3, 2005, 01:54:24 PM EDT

OK, seriously. - (ubernostrum) - (4) - Oct. 3, 2005, 04:55:49 PM EDT

The church was not strengthened, it was weakened less. - (warmachine) - (3) - Oct. 3, 2005, 05:39:42 PM EDT

I see. - (ubernostrum) - (2) - Oct. 3, 2005, 11:58:46 PM EDT

More illustrative example - (warmachine) - (1) - Oct. 4, 2005, 02:57:28 AM EDT

You still don't get it. - (ubernostrum) - Oct. 4, 2005, 03:33:43 AM EDT

Skip this...go to next post. Goofed! -NT - (imqwerky) - Oct. 3, 2005, 12:30:23 AM EDT

Original Sin: "I poked a badger with a spoon!" - (imqwerky) - (7) - Oct. 3, 2005, 12:29:22 AM EDT

Eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2005, 12:44:41 AM EDT

Dunno about that 'Celebration' - (Ashton) - Oct. 3, 2005, 06:28:37 AM EDT

Yes, he'd have retrofitted nastier DNA changes. - (warmachine) - (4) - Oct. 3, 2005, 02:52:44 AM EDT

you still have no understanding of Job - (boxley) - (3) - Oct. 3, 2005, 08:19:11 AM EDT

"About" "What" "Really" "Happened" sez it all; it's a FABLE! -NT - (Ashton) - (2) - Oct. 3, 2005, 05:59:27 PM EDT

that much sex and violence? prolly fact based -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2005, 08:44:27 PM EDT

{chortle} - ya Got moi! -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 3, 2005, 09:25:14 PM EDT

Let's look at a more complete excerpt. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2005, 06:14:54 PM EDT

But not complete-enough? - (Ashton) - Oct. 3, 2005, 09:49:46 PM EDT

Shouldn't you write "It's a pack of lies!"? -NT - (warmachine) - Sept. 30, 2005, 02:38:33 AM EDT

That's not actually how law works.
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